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ColinMarr
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« Reply #45 on: 09 April, 2015, 09:34:06 PM »

Ricardo,

The truth is that all injection Flavias were rare even 30 years ago and are ultra rare now. The two photos attached are just to show that my Vignale went very well and I enjoyed it.

I can’t recall which additive I used – it was one that was supposed to clean the injectors and provide some lubrication. I am sure there are modern equivalents.

I might be wrong about the fuel pressure, but I seem to remember that 30 psi (more than 2atm) was the minimum. On my car the pump was in the engine bay, just above one of the exhaust pipes and if it over-heated in traffic (or after a long run), it just stopped and would not re-start. Yes, the low-pressure warning light stayed on until everything cooled down!

The Kugelfisher system was used on other cars too in the 1960s, including the BMW2002tii. See this website for more on this – it mentions 50 to 60psi for the pump, which is 3 to 4 atms. http://www.2002tii.org/kb/116

Good that you have relocated the pump to the rear, near the tank, but beware those long fuel lines under high pressure!

Enjoy your lovely car and let us know how you get on.

Colin


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« Reply #46 on: 09 April, 2015, 10:44:45 PM »


Colin,

While I'm reminded seeing that photo again just how tall the gearing was, what strikes me afresh is what a wide angle lens you must have had.

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« Reply #47 on: 10 April, 2015, 09:16:30 AM »

When you think about it, that's an incredibly clear speedo. As David says, high gearing too, nowhere near the red line, could cruise like that all day.
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« Reply #48 on: 10 April, 2015, 02:51:06 PM »


Hello Ricardo,
If you were on the 2001 trip we must have met, simon and myself flew over for the meeting as "Fay" wasn't ready yet for her first big Continental tour, a Lancia was arranged for us and we borrowed a 1.6 Lybra Estate from a young lady who worked for Fiat.
Never actually worked out the average speed as we stopped at places of interest, but pushed on at a brisk pace while on the move, off the Motorways we were usually running at 60mph-70 mph depending on the roads, many of which as is usual in France were straight, so you could get a move on if you wanted to, and on motorways 70-80mph.
Probably the best run was from Salamanca right across Spain in 30c heat, it was so hot we were sitting on towels, and I had to hang one on my door window as my right was burning as it was so hot, the drive up over the Pyrenees then down the other side to St jean Pied de Port was also very memorable, the longest drive was the 490 miles home on the last day, all the actual running days were long days with up to 10-11 hours a day driving.
My comments regarding overheating was more due to the gauge reading high than an actual problem, something that I've only manage to sort out in the last couple of years.
 
I have a similar problem as yourself with hill climbing as everyone on the 'Fulvia Knights Rallye' in 2013 can testify, but she goes like the clappers down the other side Wink

You're a bit worse off than I am as I've got best part of a 20BHP advantage over your Normale, coming back over the Alps from Turin in 2006 to Grenoble my fuel consumption was something like 14mpg on the climb due to the low gearing, and the fact that she weighs about a tonne in weight doesn't help.
Your Normale looks lovely, did you have it in 2001 as I don't recollect seeing it? any chance of emailing me more photos, and email me if you have anything I can help you with.

As long as you prepare yourself and your Fulvia properly you shouldn't have any problems with extended touring distances, I always carry a lot of spares, working on the principle if you've got it with you the chances are you won't need it, but if you do, you've got it anyway!
Breakdown and recovery insurance is a must, at least that way if you do break down, you can get home Grin

in 1999 the mileage on the clock was 27.000 miles, recently I've doubled that mileage in my ownership, and more than 1/3rd has been  covered on trips to France,Spain, Portugal, Italy, Belgium & Holland.

When you meet up on the 25th please give everyone my best regards.
Brian
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Hello Brian, in 2001 I was just a little boy, but you must have met my father, I went with him and my mother on a white 2nd series Fulvia Coupe. I dont know if you have crossed this video already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrrRvr3Mdsw
The fulvia was at the time only accompanied by the Thema 16V, then my father's everyday car. The collection has grown a bit since then (the white coupe was sold), mostly by my influence and passion on Lancias Cheesy

On my berlina I tend to stay at 70mph on motorways, I dont have a rev counter so dont know the revs, but I only recently discovered the previous owner fitted a 2C gearbox as I noticed the 818.100 on the blue lancia plate! This way I think it is even slower accelerating and climbing but keeps a good pace when cruising.

The only trip I made was to Italy two years ago on the Beta Berlina, I know the feeling of crossing spain in a hot summer day by classic car Grin we also took some spares and only had to replace the fuel pump as it was still the original unit working! We did 3450miles in 10 days, not bad!

I will give them your regards Wink

Please see the topic I just opened about the berlina, I'll e-mail you some pictures tonight when I get home.

Ricardo



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« Reply #49 on: 10 April, 2015, 03:05:37 PM »

Ricardo,

The truth is that all injection Flavias were rare even 30 years ago and are ultra rare now. The two photos attached are just to show that my Vignale went very well and I enjoyed it.

I can’t recall which additive I used – it was one that was supposed to clean the injectors and provide some lubrication. I am sure there are modern equivalents.

I might be wrong about the fuel pressure, but I seem to remember that 30 psi (more than 2atm) was the minimum. On my car the pump was in the engine bay, just above one of the exhaust pipes and if it over-heated in traffic (or after a long run), it just stopped and would not re-start. Yes, the low-pressure warning light stayed on until everything cooled down!

The Kugelfisher system was used on other cars too in the 1960s, including the BMW2002tii. See this website for more on this – it mentions 50 to 60psi for the pump, which is 3 to 4 atms. http://www.2002tii.org/kb/116

Good that you have relocated the pump to the rear, near the tank, but beware those long fuel lines under high pressure!

Enjoy your lovely car and let us know how you get on.

Colin


Hello Colin,

What a beautiful picture! I love the Vignale!

I will search for some additives thank you  Wink

Yes now I have more hoses in high pressure, I must keep an eye on them, the BMW website isn't working now, but I'll check again later, just to make sure I replace for a correct pump.

I had a problem when I bought the car, the differential was very very noisy. My then mechanic was able to get me a gearbox from an old crashed car and guaranteed me it was from an injection model. The truth is when I fitted the gearbox I noticed no difference in the ratio at all, but I had done very few miles on the car.
I'm bringing this up because my rev counter was lazy, and showed less rpm than supposed, at 3000rpm i was going as 120kmh (75mph). I sent it to repair but it came back wrong, showing double the supposed Shocked I sent it back and now it shows a more correct reading, even if at 3000rpm I'm only doing 90kmh (56mph). I don't know if its still reading bad or I have an incorrect gearbox  Undecided

Ricardo


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« Reply #50 on: 10 April, 2015, 03:35:41 PM »

Seara/Colin

I was interested to see Colin's photos. My Vignale (1800 carb NOT INJECTION) is only geared at 17mph / 1000 in 4th (checked with GPS against the car rev counter which a crudely calibrated with a car test set in the garage) which makes motorway driving a bit heavy on petrol. I too have not tried to find out if the gearbox is a correct one although I believe it is as I have the complete history on the car and it has only done 56k miles. What should the respective gearbox identification plates show??

Tim

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« Reply #51 on: 10 April, 2015, 04:38:24 PM »


With regard to gearing I'm reminded of an article on Bill Amberg's Zagato.  He thought it happier at 85mph than 70mph.

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« Reply #52 on: 10 April, 2015, 05:48:44 PM »

My Vignale Flavia, back in the 1970s was extremely economical, always returning about 32 mpg, no matter what I did with it! Even towing the Austin Seven on a trailer to the Nurburgring with two pals on board. Barrie Crowe and I spent a weekend getting the Kugelfischer fuel injection to work without any special knowledge of how it was meant to work. I had the round instruments, but perhaps that's because it was left hand drive. It was a very good car and certainly amongst my favourite Lancias.
Regards, John


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« Reply #53 on: 10 April, 2015, 06:53:23 PM »

Lovely John, what was the event?
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« Reply #54 on: 10 April, 2015, 08:38:56 PM »

Isn’t it great to find such positive memories of these lovely cars from the past, at the same time as comments from those enjoying them now?

According to Oude Weernink’s book, the late type Farina Coupe and Vignale Convertibles with fuel injection (type 815.400) had a final drive of 10/37 giving 20.1 mph per 1000 rpm. This suggests that the photo of my instruments is about right – with say 4200 rpm corresponding to 85 mph, plus a bit for speedo error. Yes, it would cruise happily at this speed and it was easy to see more than 110 mph - but I was wary of taking photos at that speed!

With regard to the angle of the camera lens - the camera I used then and right up to about 2005 (when it was stolen from my bag in Paris) was an Olympus XA. This was a compact non-automatic 35mm film camera with coupled rangefinder. I became quite adept at winding the film on single-handed and shooting blind, perhaps altering the focus at the same time – not to be encouraged today! 35mm film cameras then had ‘standard’ lenses with focal length of 50mm (which was supposed to represent normal vision), ‘portrait’ lenses of 80mm, ‘telephoto’ of maybe 120mm +, and ‘wide-angle’ of 35mm. The Olympus XA had a 35mm lens, which worked well for general purpose, but I doubt if it is seen a ‘wide angle’ by the standards of modern digital cameras.

Happy days ….

Colin
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« Reply #55 on: 11 April, 2015, 08:35:24 AM »

Lovely John, what was the event?
1975 Nurburgring "historic" meeting. Nearly every event won by the Brits!
Regards, John
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« Reply #56 on: 11 April, 2015, 10:08:28 AM »

http://www.diaxa.com/xa.htm


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« Reply #57 on: 11 April, 2015, 01:48:50 PM »


Sounds lovely, I still have my Minox 35GT which unfortunately doesn't get used these days, one disadvantage with it compared to the XA is that it has a separate flash that has to be mounted to the camera, although I suspect in bare camera form it is smaller than the XA.

Brian
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« Reply #58 on: 11 April, 2015, 06:21:58 PM »


Rollei 35 for me.  Now when did that last see a roll of film...
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« Reply #59 on: 11 April, 2015, 07:37:58 PM »

I loved my Rollei 35 (a 21st birthday present) until our house was burgled.....some 14 years later...
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1998 Zeta
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