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« Reply #195 on: 16 October, 2014, 10:08:42 AM »

I have been sitting here making suggestions about this issue thinking, but I do not remember having this problem !!!!  So, making a great effort, I went down to the garage, lifted the bonnet and, lo and behold, on my S2 there is only one banjo and pipe. The pipe goes to the inlet manifold, so please Simon, where does the other pipe on your car go? Could it be part of the heater system, my car does look after me with one of those!!!

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« Reply #196 on: 16 October, 2014, 12:48:36 PM »

My "christmas tree" has 3 pipes - the cast aluminium pipe that connects to the water pump via the bottom hose and then 2 others - one to the bottom of the inlet manifold and the other to the heater matrix.

It is the juxtaposition of these 3 that is the problem ..... It may be possible to alter the position of the unions but I wouldn't risk it without a spare casting - it looks very delicate !

So how do you connect up the heater on a 2nd series ?
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« Reply #197 on: 16 October, 2014, 08:02:26 PM »

exactly the same, I had to replace them on my s2, bought I think 18mm seems to ring a bell heater hose from a local supplier CES and went straight on, tight squeeze but fitted ok, s2 is none pressurised system but I would still use the correct water hose for my own peace of mind, if you can't get any decent hose simon I can get you some of the stuff I got and post it to you, I need to send you a lamp anyway, j
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« Reply #198 on: 17 October, 2014, 05:25:58 PM »

You should be able to angle the banjos slightly I think the retaining bolt thing has 2 sets of 4 holes drilled in it so water will flow through the banjos at any angle.
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« Reply #199 on: 26 October, 2014, 04:28:58 PM »

I think you are right Jim, I could move the banjos slightly , but am too scared ! The aluminium looks very brittle. As you can see, I have offset the jubilee clips by fitting one pipe all the way down the banjo and the next one only half way - ie the jubilee clips are not side by side

I had to take the rad out again because I realised that the grill would not fit in with the petrol filter as it was and also the tags for mounting the grill were either snapped off or the screws had sheared. Much easier to take it out and get access to everything

New tag welded on and all the others drilled out and retapped. The outer stainless frame was then fitted first, screwed into place from the inside. I used a wider section rubber around the frame because the aperture and trim were slightly out after the front was bumped years ago.

Once the outer frame was in the inner (cleaned and painted) grill could be screwed in . I had to step the bracket for the filter-king so that the grill goes in without fouling. As it is you have to remove the air intake and flex the rad forward

Couple of detail shots of the back of the badge, one showing the tiny screws that hold the flag into the shield and another with the 4 small (6mm) nuts and brackets that hold it onto the grill. A further picture showing how the stainless grill is fixed to the frame by wire , with little rubber pads to stop the vibration


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« Reply #200 on: 26 October, 2014, 06:23:16 PM »

Lancia badge Assembly is similar,or perhaps the same on my 2c.

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« Reply #201 on: 27 October, 2014, 11:06:56 PM »

The whole grille set up is the same as the Flaminia except I don't think there are any screws through the stainless steel trim into the bodywork.
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« Reply #202 on: 21 November, 2014, 05:16:59 PM »

Front brakes finished, but cannot check for leaks because the back is not connected up - hopefully start on those next week.
Did cheat a bit , because the backplate was absolutely evil and one of the cylinders was completely corroded, I had a look on the shelf and found a much cleaner backplate and nearly new wheel cylinder. They still needed cleaning up , but it saved me hours !

Apologies for showing similar brake photos to last time, but they are such a work of art ......

After that I finally connected up the throttle linkage. Not a 2 minute job , because on a LHD Appia the mechanism has to traverse the sump. Everything was stripped, cleaned and painted before re-assembling. I will take some better pictures of the set up. Now I can rev the car from inside ..... She even moved under her own steam, not far or fast (no brakes) but as far as a block of wood in front of the wheels


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« Reply #203 on: 21 November, 2014, 06:08:45 PM »

Coming along nicely! However the throttle cable looks too close to the exhaust down pipe for my liking......
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« Reply #204 on: 22 November, 2014, 06:40:31 PM »

It looks a bit close but there is about an inch gap - look how it was before !


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« Reply #205 on: 23 November, 2014, 08:56:05 AM »

It looks a bit close but there is about an inch gap - look how it was before !
Still enough to heat damage the cable IMHO. The old one probably still works but factor a further 20 deg ambient temp uplift in the south of France and you may consider insulating the exhaust in the area....just a thought.
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« Reply #206 on: 24 November, 2014, 10:36:47 AM »

What a difference in those before and after shots! Saved just in time.
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« Reply #207 on: 24 November, 2014, 03:57:33 PM »

Hmmm.....thought I'd better check the proximity of my cable to the exhaust pipe, glad I did - about 12mm!!
The outer plastic sleeve of the cable has melted so an exhaust bandage will soon be fitted in that area.


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« Reply #208 on: 03 December, 2014, 06:09:19 PM »

John, can we see some more "up close and personal" photos please, very useful to see the detail and any variations, especially on a LHD car.

I am currently working on the back axle, cleaning ,stripping etc before putting it back together. As with everything else, the back axle and brakes were filthy. Lots of time scraping, scrubbing and finally degreasing.

The wheel cylinders were seized so the leading shoe on both sides was worn to the rivets (no drum damage , very lucky) whilst the trailing shoe was virtually untouched. The pistons did come out and no significant wear. However they were very gunked up and needed "paint stripper" before the hone would clean them.

I haven't removed the backplates, just stripped them and cleaned everything in situ because I haven't wanted to remove the back axle - which would be the only way to do it properly !

As always, the quality is amazing, look at the row of bolts holding the backplate on ! Everything is now on the bench waiting to be processed .....


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« Reply #209 on: 03 December, 2014, 07:12:58 PM »

What a dirty wheel cylinder Shocked
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