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DavidLaver
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« Reply #105 on: 29 May, 2014, 06:55:41 PM »

I'll forgive the rubber pipe if you post the TAV page for the handbrake.

Lovely stuff.

David
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« Reply #106 on: 29 May, 2014, 07:05:56 PM »

fitted exactly the same pump to my S2, good move  Wink
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1935 belna saloon
1935 augusta lusso
1938 ardenne
1939 aprilia lusso
1958 appia s2
1963 appia s3 
195? appia camioncino
1972 fulvia 1600HF
1976 fulvia coupe
194? ardea SUV  "THE BEAST!!!"
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« Reply #107 on: 29 May, 2014, 07:28:06 PM »

Hopefully all will be forgiven ......

James, have you left the mechanical pump in line ?


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« Reply #108 on: 29 May, 2014, 08:04:09 PM »


Just remember that picture every time you look at the free space on the floor where an ordinary handbrake might go.
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« Reply #109 on: 29 May, 2014, 08:10:39 PM »


Just remember that picture every time you look at the free space on the floor where an ordinary handbrake might go.
But the ones on the floor usually work, while those under the dash don't! They can be difficult to reach, too.
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« Reply #110 on: 29 May, 2014, 08:35:12 PM »

Simon I've left the mechanical pumps inline on both cars, what I find with the s3 is that if its stood for a week or so the carb is usually empty, appia starter motors are pretty poor quality especially the insulation around the brushes and wont take a lot of continues winding over to get the fuel through, I origionally fitted a facet cube type pump on the s3 which has served well for over 10 years , I have a funny procedure with the car if its been stood over the winter, turn the ignition on with the bonnet open, tap the top of the carb (my float valve sticks if left for along period of time) listen to the pump race away and it quietens down as the carb fills, 2 pumps on the throttle and no choke and fires first time every time , honestly its the right move to make
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1935 belna saloon
1935 augusta lusso
1938 ardenne
1939 aprilia lusso
1958 appia s2
1963 appia s3 
195? appia camioncino
1972 fulvia 1600HF
1976 fulvia coupe
194? ardea SUV  "THE BEAST!!!"
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« Reply #111 on: 30 May, 2014, 09:14:10 PM »

I have the mechanical in place on the Aprilia and initially had the same sticky valve issue , as you say, tap the top of the carb ! But with regular use this has sorted itself out (touch wood)

I have added a picture of the reassembled handbrake which I am hoping will be effective once the rest of the system is freed off and adjusted. Probably like an early Fulvia, useless unless everything is free, lubricated and adjusted correctly - then it works pretty well ! I have a dash mounted handbrake on the Renault 4 which is easily reached if you take your seatbelt off ......

Count down is on for fitting the engine and box. First jobs were to finish off putting everything back into the engine bay and doing a final clean of wiring cables etc. I removed all the connections on the fuse box, cleaned the terminals and wire-ends before refitting, stripped the regulator and cleaned the terminals. Refitted the headlamp earths with new screws and washers , having stripped the surface underneath to get a good contact.

The master cyl, reservoir and pedal assemblies were all refitted. It all gets a bit tight in the bottom corner ! A neighbour has a pit, so rather than break my neck doing much more stripping of underseal and repainting, I will do that once she is up and running - in comfort !

The only problem today was that I dropped and broke my camera - terminal I'm afraid


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« Reply #112 on: 31 May, 2014, 11:14:13 AM »


Carb confusion

I have 3 carbs, 2 cars and a few questions if anyone can help

Marked on the top they are Solex 5, 6 and 7

5 is a C32 PBIC (#224465) - new
6 is a C32 PBIC (#482085) - off the 3rd ser
7 is a C32 BIC  (#17KZ)  - new , destined for the furgoncino.

The questions/problems are numerous :

The new carbs (5&7) have a pipe inlet and not a banjo and filter
The old carb (6) appears to have the main jet broken off in the centre of the choke tube - how did it run ?
Carb 5 appears not to have a central main jet
They all seem to have a different array of mixer(?) tubes - one has a wide bore tube and hockey stick (6) one has a hockey stick (5) and one has neither (7)

I think I can make a good carb for the furgoncino - the top from the old carb 6 on new base of 7, so I get a standard looking set up

I am less worried about the "look" for the 3rd series, especially since I have added the electric pump and filter-king, so put the base from 6 with the top of 5 or 7 but with the broken main jet.

Or use carb 5 - but there appears to be no main jet

PS the carbs are numbered (R to L ) : 5,6,7

If anyone has got any comments or bits to help me out, I would appreciate it !






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« Reply #113 on: 31 May, 2014, 08:38:17 PM »

Hi
just looking at your carb pictures
seems you have 2 with an accelerator pump and one without, one has the main jet/emulsion tube missing so that won't work. i think the carb without an accelerator pump will be the series 1 and the others series 2/3. have you access to Table 11 and Table 11bis? if not i can stick them on or email you them
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« Reply #114 on: 31 May, 2014, 09:11:41 PM »

pretty sure the "P" stands for accelerator pump and pretty sure the comercials didn't have an accelerator pump as standard , I'm sure Don fitted a later carb to the consortium van to get it to go a bit better
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1935 augusta lusso (chugga)
1935 belna saloon
1935 augusta lusso
1938 ardenne
1939 aprilia lusso
1958 appia s2
1963 appia s3 
195? appia camioncino
1972 fulvia 1600HF
1976 fulvia coupe
194? ardea SUV  "THE BEAST!!!"
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« Reply #115 on: 02 June, 2014, 11:14:14 AM »

Thanks everyone (Tim as well) and I am hoping to get some bits from Don, others from a source recommended by Tim in Italy. Hopefully without too much outlay I will have 3 working carbs !

Was also tempted to do a triple carb conversion for the bi-motore ......
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« Reply #116 on: 02 June, 2014, 02:23:22 PM »

Simon, No criticism intended.....but why not run a new section of copper pipe for originality if the old one is beyond saving?
Modern fuels seem to shorten the life of some rubber fuel pipes and copper looks so much nicer, even if its under the car.
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« Reply #117 on: 02 June, 2014, 04:03:27 PM »

To be honest, I probably will - the rubber pipe is to get me on the road again and is quick and easy, esp when adding pumps/filters etc.
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« Reply #118 on: 02 June, 2014, 05:28:22 PM »

Checked the furgone carb, indeed that's the one without accelerator pump.

I have here a brandnew solex 34PBIC carb I bought for a peugeot 403 some time ago, and it looks very similar.  I think is a chinese copy.  Anyone tried one of these on the appia?

here's the link: [http://www.ebay.de/itm/Vergaser-Solex-34PBIC-Citroen-ID-19-Traction-34-PBIC-Oldtimer-/191175442113?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item2c82f1bec1]

(hope this works as I do not have a clue how to do this?)


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« Reply #119 on: 02 June, 2014, 05:48:30 PM »

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Vergaser-Solex-34PBIC-Citroen-ID-19-Traction-34-PBIC-Oldtimer-/191175442113?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item2c82f1bec1
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