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Author Topic: Appia furgoncino - A fettler's voyage  (Read 180925 times)
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« Reply #300 on: 10 May, 2016, 06:34:47 PM »

 SI' E' VERO ,   HO UN CAMBIO 5 MARCE JOLLY      SIGLA   809.00.........   HA GLI STESSI RAPPORTI DEL FURGONCINO E CAMIONCINO SECONDA SERIE.      VAI A VEDERE SU   ( WIKIPEDIA LANCIA APPIA FURGONCINO)
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« Reply #301 on: 10 May, 2016, 08:51:29 PM »

Hello Simon, Cicognani list Appia cars on their site, but I am not sure if the furgoncino screen is the same as the cars!!! I am sure though that you know the answer to that!!

I am currently  looking to swap the gearbox in my car as it seems likely that is the source of my tapping/knocking noise ..... so if you know of a nice 5 speed box that would be helpful!!!

Thank you for continuing to post so much regarding your work on your cars .... both inspirational as well as informative!!!

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« Reply #302 on: 11 May, 2016, 05:38:18 AM »

Thanks Andy, I am in discussion with Cicognani at the moment about maybe having one made because they are indeed bigger - the screen is taller.

I think that the profile is the same as S1, but I need to check this further. Unfortunately , my Promiscuo screen rubber was destroyed taking the screen out - the rubber goes so hard the only safe way to protect the (irreplaceable) glass was to cut it out.

DiKappa has kindly offered to remove his screen , but would have to do the same !

There's a nice , modified 5 speed 'box on eBay at the moment for just under 4000 euros ......
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« Reply #303 on: 11 May, 2016, 10:44:50 AM »

CIAO IO HO UN CAMBIO 5 VELOCITA' PER JOLLY...............IL PARABREZZA SERIE 1 E' PIU' BASSO DI QUELLO DEL FURGONE.   CICOGNANI TI FARA' LA GUARNIZIONE SU MISURA.
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« Reply #304 on: 12 May, 2016, 01:35:44 PM »

Thanks, we are currently looking at having some screen rubbers made - if any one else wants on , let us know asap !

Couple of detail bits, first, and thanks to Jim and the Appia Cosortium,  the pinch bolt for the handbrake - which now works extremely well !  The thread is actually M8 std not fine as first thought. However I did find a suitable 14mm nut for it.

Second the indicator cancelling system. It consists of a pair of "cats ears" on a clamp that is fitted to the steering column. NB the bolt is above the cancelling unit , if not the bolt fouls the pivot instead of the ears. It has to be fitted carefully to get the ears and pivot lined up without the bolt catching

I fitted a 1mm rubber cuff under the clamp to it grips the steering column, otherwise it was too big. Wires are 54 , A and B

Third, I cleaned up the aluminium frame that fits around the screen aperture and did a trial fit using the tiniest of self-tappers (1/4 2's for ref). The originals were slotted screws whereas most of the rest had moved onto to Phillips, so I have used slotted screws


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« Reply #305 on: 15 May, 2016, 05:24:38 PM »


Been out of touch with this the last month or so.  Other than the obvious "lift envy" the induction heater REALLY seems to have done "what it said on the tin".  Any more thoughts vs a flame?

What was most impressive is the attention to detail on the under-seal.  Where did you find out about that system or was it a case of taking Martin's advice and then looking for similar?  Still pleased with it?

Fitting the steering so carefully must have been satisfying.  One of those jobs where its not just the look of it but something tactile.  The quantity of oil in the back axle was a surprise.

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« Reply #306 on: 15 May, 2016, 05:39:58 PM »


Pleased with the lathe?
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« Reply #307 on: 24 May, 2016, 08:10:06 PM »

David, the lift is fantastic, everything is much more accessible and comfortable - so much better for my aging bones (I'm only 51 so I shouldn't complain ....) plus it means that I can squeeze another vehicle into the garage !

The induction heater doesn't get much use, but when it does it is very efficient. Vs a flame, I can't see a downside when used in situ. It is completely safe, very localised and no risk to paintwork. It takes a while to penetrate bolts because it is so localised, but with repeated use it does heat the length of the bolt. The rear-spring bolts were a pain, but the air punches were excellent, much better than a hammer (sorry Harry).

The underseal is not the 2-pack 3M product, I could not find it at an acceptable price. I ended up buying a "Wayside" product along with the gun, which can also be used for seam sealant etc. The only problem was that I chose the wrong colour so have had to paint it before (black) waxoyl-ing which gives the same mat finish as the original. As always there is a you-tube video to show how to use it.

The volume of oil in the axle was a surprise - more so that it is all still there after a month, the hermetite on the threads has worked a treat - no drips

And the lathe ....... not much to report on that one, very little use due to one thing and another !

But this weekend's "vide-grenier" turned up a very nice pillar jack that fits and looks the part - just needs to be painted blue, as per the Consortium furgoncino jack (first photo)
The furgoncino jacks seem to be hen's teeth, so until I find one, this will do

I also found a couple of nicely patinated "Michelin" tyre pressure charts from the late '60's and early '70's. They cover Flaminia to 2000 - they were NOT 5 euros each !!!!


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« Reply #308 on: 28 May, 2016, 08:14:30 PM »

First time in ages that I have had a proper day in the garage ......

Getting the engine ready to test/fit so I have been working on the ancillaries. The coil was stripped and cleaned, along with distributor, water pump, dynamo and starter motor.

The later have been stripped and cleaned but not re-assembled yet, but the distributor has been refitted and timed. Slight problem in that the distributor drive was 180 out so that took a few minutes to remove and fit correctly.

The water pump has 2 gaskets (there is an aluminium spacer) so the rubber gasket fits between the spacer and the pump and the paper gasket between the spacer and engine.

Lots of bits for each unit, fortunately non left once they went back together ....

The coil has a ballast resistor, which I'm pretty sure was original, so it has all be cleaned and refitted. The original label has cleaned up nicely

I sprayed up a couple of rocker covers just for the photos because everything else looked so clean ...... they will be replaced with newly crackled covers once the engine is in place - they tend to get a bashing when it all goes back together !

Hopefully a test and fit this week Huh???


 


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« Reply #309 on: 31 May, 2016, 07:04:28 PM »

CIAO SIMON TI HO CONTATTATO SULLA TUA MAIL ,PER I FONDI FURGONCINO...............?
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« Reply #310 on: 31 May, 2016, 08:02:10 PM »

Ciao LANCIA ,vi ho inviato un messaggio ...

The dynamo and starter motor are back together and re-fitted. I am waiting on some carb parts to arrive from Italy and some oil from Penrite, then I can have a go at starting the engine .....plus here's an excuse for some engine photos

It is very difficult to buy 20W50 from motor factors here, they look at you as if you have walked in from planet Zarg !

I have found an oil pressure gauge to fit directly to the oil pressure pipe, I have a downpipe - just need to sort out the carb and some cooling

 A final photo of the induction heater being used to remove the dynamo pulley. It is sooooo fragile - half the weight of a Fulvia - but with 1 min's heating and with the lightest touch it fell apart


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« Reply #311 on: 01 June, 2016, 12:29:24 AM »


That heater is starting to be THE toy I envy...
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« Reply #312 on: 01 June, 2016, 08:20:41 AM »

Hmmm...sounds as if Simon is tempted to start that engine up on the bench....the tension...the expectation...the whirr whirr of that puny starter...the first cough of life....that powerful roar of the mighty V4...the screams...the shouts....the sight of the mighty V4 bouncing out of the garage door...hope he sets up a video camera for us..
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« Reply #313 on: 01 June, 2016, 10:17:37 AM »


That heater is starting to be THE toy I envy...

David, you are the only person I know that gets 'toy envy' ........ apart from me that is!!!!!
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« Reply #314 on: 01 June, 2016, 10:44:36 AM »

I've got 'fan envy'. Love that front view of the engine with that beautiful aircraft style prop. Could only be improved by WW1 style varnished wooden one. I'm surprised Lancia didn't make it variable pitch.
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