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Author Topic: Appia furgoncino - A fettler's voyage  (Read 180257 times)
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« Reply #270 on: 11 November, 2015, 07:37:34 PM »

So Dog was your health and safety advisor??

Looks really nice and if not so wide I would have one in my garage!!
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« Reply #271 on: 11 November, 2015, 08:30:32 PM »

Simon
Brilliant having a two-post lift. I put a second hand one in the barn when we moved to an old farmhouse and wouldn't be without. Just one word of warning so you don't make the same mistake that I did: make sure that the adjustable pads that support the car are screwed up so that the sills don't catch on one of the arms as I put a dent in my Vignale sill.

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« Reply #272 on: 03 December, 2015, 06:09:04 PM »

All been a bit quiet of late due to the broken hand and trip back to the UK - more on that later !

A bit of good news today, I finally managed to remove the first of the 6 rear axle bolts. A combination of heat, plusgas (actually the ATF/acetone mix) and air hammer .......

Nut and bolt will need to be tidied up, but much better than cutting them off

Dog has made a lovely job of flatting and polishing the body, it looks much more like old-fashioned paintwork now, with a deeper , flatter shine


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« Reply #273 on: 04 December, 2015, 02:43:35 PM »

Thought I'd have a go at another bolt this afternoon and guess what, the whole axle is on the ground 1&1/2 hrs later !

The other 5 bolts were nowhere near as bad, indeed, the rear ones virtually fell out along with the silent block. The other front bolt took a bit of shifting, but nothing like as bad as the first one.

Are the front ones more exposed to spray ?? Certainly the driver's side is not protected by anything, the passenger side is partially protected by the petrol tank.

The rest came to pieces as well, the exhaust hangers, shocks and bump stops.

The silent blocks are all perfect except the first one, so new bits are on their way from Robush ltd. Size for ref is  l=66/60 mm, o/d = 32 mm and i/d = 14mm (ref RB6019) and cost 7 plus vat each

Little detail: the breather pipe was obviously in place when they sprayed satin black into the petrol cap area !

Next is to check the underseal, remove any loose and then paint/Waxoyl.

Sorry Mr Spider, you'll need a new home .......



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« Reply #274 on: 05 December, 2015, 03:01:50 PM »

Started cleaning up the bits, back axle first.

First picture looks like a part from a V2 missile ..... it took longer to clean than to take off (with the first bolt overlooked !)

Everything is stamped or marked, the diff has the ratio and a serial no. , the axle has another serial no. which is different to the one on the axle plate and then there is another on one of the spring supports

All begin with 27

Now here comes "Anorak's Corner" - please feel free to skip the next paragraph ....

The axle is unique to the furgoncino, and also has a different final drive ratio to the camioncino so parts are difficult -

furgoncino/ambulance 7:46
camioncino 7:50
Jolly vans apparently had 7:50 or 7:53
And some very rare 7:43 furgoncinos (2nd ser only) and some export ambulances with 7:53
All the above have the 5 speed 'box

A first ser Appia saloon is 9:41, 3rd ser is 11:46 for example and has a 4 speed 'box

So what does that all mean ? Rare parts and slow vehicles, very slow vehicles and exceedingly slow vehicles !

Rear springs with stenciled C80 markings, suggesting they are different to the camioncinos as well  



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« Reply #275 on: 05 December, 2015, 03:10:03 PM »

Wim Oude Weernink told me that when he was restoring his Camioncino he managed to get a brand new Furgoncino crownwheel and pinion, he fitted it so that he could go a bit quicker...... just a little bit quicker!
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« Reply #276 on: 05 December, 2015, 04:44:47 PM »

Simon,

Getting a bit behind furgoncino scedule  here, let's switch dog's for a while!
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« Reply #277 on: 05 December, 2015, 05:04:05 PM »

The commercials are undoubtedly lower geared - meaning slower  but perhaps not that much slower; didn't they have much larger tyres (and therefore larger rolling circumference to negate, to a certain extent, the lower ratios)?
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« Reply #278 on: 07 December, 2015, 01:21:00 PM »

Those exhaust hangers look like new!!!!
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« Reply #279 on: 08 December, 2015, 04:27:01 PM »

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Those exhaust hangers look like new!!!!

With a very light clean they are almost new, not even going to paint them !

Grubby job today, cleaning off the dirt and dust from the underseal on the floors and spare wheel cover etc. Then brush painting it with black waxoyl, looks much nicer ..... but poor photo !

Plus the springs have been cleaned up amongst other bits and pieces.

My new press was pushed into service to remove the bushes - nb - there are large chamfered washers at each side of the bush and I found it better to prize them off before pressing the bush because it gave better location of the spring on the pressing plate, otherwise it was difficult to get the spring stable

 I chose not to dismantle the springs - not because I was feeling lazy, but because all they needed was a light clean . Once done (rightly or wrongly) I painted them, again,  with black waxoyl. My idea is that the liquid in the waxoyl may penetrate the leaves and give some lubrication and remove potential squeaks. Plus the wax cleaned up the interleaves nicely



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« Reply #280 on: 10 December, 2015, 11:26:08 AM »

Mike - you are spot on about the tyres being much taller. Once I have the beast back on the road I will be able to comment on the performance - sloth or rocket ??

Re tyres, the original pattern is unobtainable (Michelin Pilot - I think). The Consortium van has London taxi tyres I think , which are inexpensive, but to my mind don't look right.

I am thinking of Michelin X's , but "Super Comforts" would look good, however I believe they are cross plys and wear very quickly as well as being hideously expensive .....
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« Reply #281 on: 11 December, 2015, 05:35:54 PM »

Interesting day, today ......

I have had a bit of a conundrum of late as to how to get the underneath looking correct. The underseal that is there is very sound and has been cleaned and waxoyled, so looks great.

However the couple of repairs that have been done, along with some loose patches, needed to be made to match. Normal underseal isn't right, nor is stonechip. The nearest we had got to the correct finish until now was bodyseal brushed on , then stippled with a short haired brush (I think I shared this last year)

Then, following a discussion with our erstwhile member, Mr Heath, I came across the "correct" solution. Tim said that he had seen a Flaminia prepared by Omicron where the underseal was right, but he wasn't sure how it had been done.

Fortunately Martin was good enough to share the "secret". They use a 3M 2-pack sprayable seam sealer which goes on very thick and then you can use the air to push it into folds or leave the stipples , or a combination, so it matches the original. The downside to this is the cost of the packs. The tool isn't expensive (circa 50) but the packs are about 25 each. I suspect Omicron and other professionals can get a better price.

After some homework, I came across another supplier/system where the gun is more expensive (circa 130) , but the consumables are much cheaper - a cartridge of sprayable seam sealer is about a tenner.

I am very happy with the result !

It isn't a 2-pack product, it is more like thin "Tiger Seal" but as far as I can see the effect is very similar. It has been chilly here today so after some trial and error, we warmed the cartridges in a pot of hot water to make the spraying easier. We used 2 cartridges , which I thought was not at all unreasonable for the amount we did ........

Other than that, the axle is cleaned and primed along with some other bits. The "doughnut" was restrained using jubilee clips to aid removal. The new bushes arrived yesterday and the tap and die to clean up the rogue bolt arrived today, so hopefully I can start putting her back on her feet next week



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« Reply #282 on: 16 December, 2015, 08:03:14 PM »

All back together and she is back on her feet ........ brakes still to do. For reference, the bolts holding the axle onto the spring are 38.3 Ft-lbs and the hub nut is 202 ft-lbs !!

The underseal has also been finished, including the front inner wings and cills. After the underseal went on I sprayed it all with satin black and then a final brush over with waxoyl to even it up.
It is possible to buy the underseal in black, I just ordered the wrong colour !

The satin black paint on the back axle is still a bit shiny, but as with the engine bay, it will calm down with time and polishing

She is back up on the lift so I can put the brakes back together and test the system before fitting the engine and 'box

New Year's resolution is to take better photos .......


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« Reply #283 on: 16 December, 2015, 09:00:16 PM »

So it seems 200ft lbs is in Lancia's hub nut genes as this is same a Fulvias....
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« Reply #284 on: 16 April, 2016, 06:03:12 PM »

After extended shore-leave (!!) I have managed to resume my voyage.

Plan now is to get the rear brakes finished, bleed the system , put her back on her feet and the move on to the front end.

The rears are quite simple, using standard 25 mm (Aurelia) wheel cylinders and shoes. There are both iron and aluminium shoes, the iron being the leading shoe - why ? -  Better heat absorption, less distortion risk ??

I`ve not gone overboard on painting, the inside was so good, it was just a case of cleaning, new seals fitted and re-assembly. I think the linings are original, no evidence of the rivets having been replaced (care taken with drums/shoes because they are bound to contain asbestos)

During my layoff I bought a hub/half-shaft removal tool that was advertised for a long time on eBay - it fits both Appia and Aprilia - and I have shown a couple of pictures as to how it fits. Not planning to remove the half-shafts, but you never know .......





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