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Author Topic: Appia furgoncino - A fettler's voyage  (Read 278613 times)
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« Reply #120 on: 23 November, 2013, 08:42:59 AM »

Re temperature, it really is cold enough to freeze the lightsabres off a jedi, but the pop up spray booth with a single electric radiator will bring the temp up from 6 deg to 18 deg C - so just about OK
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« Reply #121 on: 23 November, 2013, 03:12:28 PM »

Today's job was to strip and clean the passenger side floors and then tiger seal all the joints before a further coat of anti rust paint.

I found a lovely detail, just under the screen on the passenger side. It has C 80 S (the van chassis type and S showing that it is LHD) scribbled in crayon. It is very personal, reminding you that these are hand-built cars, being put together by people like us .....thought for the day !

Picture of the stamped number on the bonnet edge, found on the front edge on the passenger side


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« Reply #122 on: 23 November, 2013, 10:31:42 PM »


Any tricks with the Tiger Seal?

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« Reply #123 on: 24 November, 2013, 12:28:22 AM »

Today's job was to strip and clean the passenger side floors and then tiger seal all the joints before a further coat of anti rust paint.

I found a lovely detail, just under the screen on the passenger side. It has C 80 S (the van chassis type and S showing that it is LHD) scribbled in crayon. It is very personal, reminding you that these are hand-built cars, being put together by people like us .....thought for the day !

Picture of the stamped number on the bonnet edge, found on the front edge on the passenger side
Simon, A couple of years ago I removed "Fays" rear seat and found similar markings.
Have I missed something as I keep seeing references to 'Tiger Seal', what is it, what does it do, and where do you get it from?

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« Reply #124 on: 24 November, 2013, 11:33:21 AM »


Bottom of page 6, top of page 7. 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tiger-Seal-TIG-NB-Polyurethane/dp/B002SQY852/ref=sr_1_1/277-6061633-8023054?ie=UTF8&qid=1381315825&sr=8-1&keywords=tiger+glue

The Amazon feedback says semi-flexible and needs to be warm to flow from a caulking gun and that the tube goes off quick if not used.  Simon and Alan Wesson are fans - but any tips for how to use it...clean up...when not to use it...

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« Reply #125 on: 24 November, 2013, 05:14:00 PM »

Tiger seal  (I have used other makes as well) - used for a variety of purposes, gluing panels on fibre glass cars, windscreen sealing, newly welded seams and replacing old seams

Yesterday was 7deg C in the garage and I had no probs using it, this tube has been open for at least a month and still OK - I leave the nozzle to dry and then push the plug out with a piece of welding rod and re-use the nozzle

On seams (new or old) I use a maximum bead length of about 2-3 ft and then use a white spirit soaked rag on the end of my finger to smooth it off. If you leave it too long , or try to go over it a second time , it gets very messy. You can over-paint with most paints, oil based, 2 pack , cellulose etc.
It is excellent for filling and smoothing the gaps and any pin-prick holes, especially if your welding is a bit messy, like mine .....
 
On windscreens, I use the nozzle to hold the rubber off the screen whilst running a very fine bead of seal in the gap. Then push the rubber back onto the glass to squeeze out the excess , and leave for a day. Clean up by running a Stanley knife blade along the rubber (perpendicular to the screen) - years ago before new windscreen rubbers were available (or I could afford them, anyway) I got a problematic Fulvia Zagato screen sealed and looking nice


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« Reply #126 on: 25 November, 2013, 11:21:48 AM »

David & Simon,
Thank you for the information.

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« Reply #127 on: 26 November, 2013, 05:01:34 PM »

Guide coat and stopper ready for the next stage.

Anti rust paint on the floors - took 2 days to dry !

Start on the bonnet tomorrow and the wing repair panel is in the post .....


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« Reply #128 on: 29 November, 2013, 04:22:01 PM »

Dog has prep'ed , etched and primed the bonnet this week. Once all the paint was off, you could see that there had been a couple of patches of filler, so these were all tapped out and then shrunk flat using a funny dimpled hammer and paddle. At the end, only one dent required any filler, for the rest, the primer was enough.

I picked up the paint samples today, and even to the trained eye, they are perfect. The paler colour match is spot on with the dash and boot lining and the darker one is again spot on for the colour I found behind the bonnet info plate. In the absence of original codes, it is the best I can do. The colour does not match up with any known colours as far as we can see. The shiny paint is a better match than the mat, so we will do something to mute the final shine to make it a bit more "satin"

Finally a bit of bling. You may recall that I needed to find a new woven cotton sleeve for the main +ve cable from the battery to engine. Whilst searching for underlay on a popular internet auction site, I came across some 2" webbing in a heavy cotton. I sewed it along its length and then pulled it inside out to hide the seam.Threaded the wire through it, et voila ! The weave is not exactly the same as the original, but it does look nice !


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« Reply #129 on: 02 December, 2013, 04:09:02 PM »

Prompted by Andy's question re crackle finish, I painted up one of the rocker covers this afternoon as a test

First pic - cleaned and degreased
2nd - immediately after painting - thick base coat and then 4 more coats, 3-5 mins apart
3rd - 1/2 hr later
4th picture - 1 hr later

It says on the tin that it takes a full 48hrs to be fully dry so I'll post a picture then

Finally, one of Mathilda's toys having an identity crisis ....


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« Reply #130 on: 02 December, 2013, 06:17:47 PM »

I used the Frost black crackle paint for the rocker covers on my car. You get them really hot first by putting them in the oven, then spray and the paint dries to a good finish really quickly, then return to the oven to bake!   Just make sure you do it when the wife is not around as it makes the kitchen smell a bit. ( well actually a lot!! )
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« Reply #131 on: 02 December, 2013, 09:39:20 PM »

Simon, that looks very promising, who's product is it please?

Ade, the Frost product sounds good, I am now trying to work out who is the least scary out of one wife, one daughter or any one of three daughters -in-law. At the moment my assessment is that they are all equally frightening, which makes me think that anything that does not involve an oven may be a better, not to mention safer, option.

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« Reply #132 on: 02 December, 2013, 10:27:24 PM »



Finally, one of Mathilda's toys having an identity crisis ....
very apt, a prancing horse on a lancia..........is it a D50 Wink Cheesy
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« Reply #133 on: 02 December, 2013, 10:56:27 PM »


Andy,

Working from "The Old Bake House" and with the shop in "The Forge" there must be an oven somewhere...

I can remember Bernie Fisher putting things infront of his space heater to get them toastie.

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« Reply #134 on: 04 December, 2013, 12:49:25 PM »

Andy, the paint I got from Frosts as well. Here you can see the rocker cover after a couple of days. I cured it using a heat gun so as not to upset "the wife". The crackle finish is very nice, but not having an original alongside, I cannot say how close it is to the original.

It says on the tin that if you want a deeper crackle, you apply more coats ......

Other photos of the inlet manifold , cleaned and then 2 brushed coats of VHT black (from Halfords) - I use this on brake drums as well.


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