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« on: 27 March, 2021, 04:08:55 PM »

Aussie import gets a fulsome going over

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« Reply #1 on: 28 March, 2021, 10:14:32 AM »

Has sparked some debate on the Betaboyz Forum around the references to the 'V4' engine. Spectacularly lazy journalism and disappointing from PC. The Club dated this car when it was imported and I thought we may have got a wave for that, but no....
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« Reply #2 on: 28 March, 2021, 11:53:59 AM »

I've just seen the article. I'm struck by the caption "All original instrumentation" under a picture of a rack of completely non original auxiliary instruments. Given how comprehensive the standard instruments actually are the error is particularly ridiculous.
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« Reply #3 on: 28 March, 2021, 01:53:36 PM »

What is the general view about fitting a series 1 grille and headlamps to a series 2 model? The changes improve the look of the car at the expense of authenticity. Is that OK since even 'in period' an owner could have chosen to do that (if he wanted to make a later model look like an earlier model) or a step too far in a restoration? Is the answer that it is fine so long as it is done transparently? In any case, all credit to the owner for putting a Beta back together and back on the road.
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« Reply #4 on: 28 March, 2021, 02:40:57 PM »

Hi Michael

Not sure which grills you are referring to as there were at least 3 used on the Beta Coupes?

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« Reply #5 on: 28 March, 2021, 03:29:32 PM »

Peter,

I was going by the photos in the article (comparing as found and as restored), and the text quoting the owner/restorer which says "I decided to make the car a Series 1 lookalike. It wouldn't be too difficult with the grille being the only main difference. I like the twin headlamp look as well". The grille in the finished car is a bit hard to describe but you might say it is banded horizontal geometric louvres. It is certainly not the late grille as appear on the wonderful Volumex coupes.
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« Reply #6 on: 29 March, 2021, 10:46:07 AM »

The article is just a complete mess which is a real shame for such a good magazine.

We all know it isn't a V4 but even if it was how would it need a special jig to skim it?

The claim to be trying to create a Series 1 is completely misguided as everything on the car is consistent with an early Series 2. The grille is not the identifying feature of the Series 1, the bonnet with a single central rib is the identifying feature. The series 1 grille was carried over into the original Series 2 1600 which also had the twin headlights. Rather than make his Series 2 2000 look like a Series 1 he has made his early Series 2 2000 look like an early Series 2 1600.

Another dubious item is the recovering of the door cards in original texture vinyl. The bit that needs replacing on Series 1 and early Series 2 door cards is actually the cloth insert in its centre section. This is very hard to repair so is not uncommonly replaced with vinyl. Vinyl was only original specification on the Spider where all of the upholstery was vinyl in case it got caught in the rain with the roof removed.

It is however surprising that only the door cards needed work as the back of the rear headrests usually succumb to UV deterioration even in the UK. In the Australian climate they should have been toast so I wonder if they had protective covers fitted by the original owner.



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« Reply #7 on: 29 March, 2021, 10:54:17 AM »

Here are pictures of the three generations of Beta Coupe / HPE / Spider grilles.


* Beta Grille 1.jpg (61.39 KB, 512x384 - viewed 274 times.)

* Beta Grille 2.jpg (81.4 KB, 647x480 - viewed 279 times.)

* Beta Grille 3.jpg (39.42 KB, 480x360 - viewed 274 times.)
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« Reply #8 on: 30 March, 2021, 08:16:35 AM »


The claim to be trying to create a Series 1 is completely misguided as everything on the car is consistent with an early Series 2. The grille is not the identifying feature of the Series 1, the bonnet with a single central rib is the identifying feature.

And of course being a Lancia that was not the whole story. Early 1600 S2 (certainly my Spider amongst others) have the Series 1 bonnet.

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« Reply #9 on: 30 March, 2021, 12:33:17 PM »

My comments were very much in the context of the Coupe featured in the article. My early S2 Spider similarly has the Series 1 bonnet. The whole story would require writing a book and others have done that better than I can.
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