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Model Technical and Interest => Fulvia => Topic started by: Barry.Cook on 25 February, 2017, 07:43:31 PM



Title: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Barry.Cook on 25 February, 2017, 07:43:31 PM
I have the callipers off my 1600HF at the moment ready for a rebuild. The seals kits for the Girling Series 2 brakes seem readily available but are they the same for the 1300 and 1600's the same?  I've always assumed they were different but the descriptions make no mention of this.

Many thanks,
                    Barry


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: lancialulu on 26 February, 2017, 08:49:01 AM
Same and an easy job if the pistons have not rusted below the seal line.


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Barry.Cook on 26 February, 2017, 01:05:28 PM
Great, thanks for that. I've not taken the pistons out yet as I am away. Fingers crossed they are o.k or it's plan B.

Regards,
              Barry


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: andyps on 06 March, 2017, 02:04:26 PM
Rather than start a new thread I was just about to ask for advice about buying rebuilt calipers, I've spoken to Omicron about them but wondered if there are any alternative suppliers worth considering. As my car hasn't been used for over 25 years I think refurbished calipers are probably the best bet rather than take them apart to find out they need more than seals.

Sorry if this is a thread hijack.


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: lancialulu on 06 March, 2017, 05:19:48 PM
Try BiggRed.co.uk


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Barry.Cook on 06 March, 2017, 06:11:41 PM
Hi Andy,
            I was going to send mine to BiggRed for refurbishment but found that mine only needed seals which I was happy to do myself. I did talk to them though and they said that I could send my calliers to them and they would strip them and let me know how much the refurb would cost. They said as a worst case scenario they could make new pistons. Good luck.

Barry


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Andrew1950 on 06 March, 2017, 06:14:54 PM
Hi

www.nelsonstokes.com are excellent for any seals. Fast & friendly service!

Keep well,



Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Parisien on 06 March, 2017, 06:30:53 PM
Worthwhile putting the recommended suppliers/companies on the sticky thread so saving everyone searching all the time ( think its best to leave non-recommended suppliers etc off same list!)

http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1677.0

P


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Jaydub on 06 March, 2017, 09:22:23 PM
The Trade has used "Past Parts" Bury St Edmunds for many years. Tel 01284 750729. They remanufacture parts as well as reconditioning.


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: andyps on 07 March, 2017, 12:39:21 PM
Hi Andy,
            I was going to send mine to BiggRed for refurbishment but found that mine only needed seals which I was happy to do myself. I did talk to them though and they said that I could send my calliers to them and they would strip them and let me know how much the refurb would cost. They said as a worst case scenario they could make new pistons. Good luck.

Barry

Thanks for this recommendation both of you who have mentioned them, I'll have a chat with BiggRed.


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: andyps on 07 March, 2017, 12:39:40 PM
The Trade has used "Past Parts" Bury St Edmunds for many years. Tel 01284 750729. They remanufacture parts as well as reconditioning.

I spoke to Past Parts yesterday and they sounded very knowledgeable and slightly cheaper than Omicron so will definitely consider them.


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Parisien on 07 March, 2017, 01:02:00 PM
The Trade has used "Past Parts" Bury St Edmunds for many years. Tel 01284 750729. They remanufacture parts as well as reconditioning.

I spoke to Past Parts yesterday and they sounded very knowledgeable and slightly cheaper than Omicron so will definitely consider them.

Have you dealt with either/both companies before or indeed often? Chances of getting a club discount from them?

P


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 09 March, 2017, 01:12:12 PM
Just by way of a word of caution BigRed mis-assembled a pair of rear Beta calipers that they did for me. This only became apparent after I had sold the car and the handbrake failed,


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: 2Lancialan on 12 March, 2017, 01:34:00 PM
Does anyone have any good suggestions or tips on what's the best way to get the sodding pistons out of the Series 2 calipers, after they've been on the car for 45 years?
Many thanks,
Alan


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Richard Fridd on 12 March, 2017, 04:11:35 PM
Perhaps apply pedal pressure before removing from discs without the pads fitted. Wiggle the pistons to coax them out partially. Then remove the caliper and continue until one piston comes out. Put caliper in to the vice to remove the remaining piston(s). Some say don't split the caliper, but it does enable good access to clean inside. If the calipers are not fitted to the car then other means of pressure is probably required.


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Jaydub on 12 March, 2017, 06:37:49 PM
If the calipers are off the car, completely immerse them in penetrating oil or paraffin for a few days. Meanwhile get yourself a hydraulic pump off of a press/ body jack and fix up a pipe to connect to the calipers and press them out, maybe whilst applying heat. I know access to these things isn`t easy but it has worked for me  a few times.
Good Luck.


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: frankxhv773t on 12 March, 2017, 07:02:57 PM
If you have a compressor you can use that instead of hydraulics. I can't say it will work on 45 years of gunk but might be worth a try before setting up complex hydraulic solutions.


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: simonandjuliet on 12 March, 2017, 08:12:26 PM
I have used a compressor satisfactorily on wheel cylinders, however beware they can shot out with some force ..... careful with eyes, teeth, bodywork etc


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Barry.Cook on 12 March, 2017, 08:30:36 PM
I used my air compressor as he callipers were off the car. The fronts came out o.k. but the rears were more of a challenge. I sprayed plenty of plus gas on them for a couple of days before trying to get them out. I wound the regulator on the the compressor to the max and pulsed the pressure. As said before keep your fingers out of the way because when they do go they fly out. Good luck.
I am now trying to clean the callipers before fitting the new seals. Not easy.

Barry


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: 2Lancialan on 12 March, 2017, 08:54:52 PM
Thanks very much for the suggestion Richard - I'll give it a try. The main problem will be trying to get a good grip on the sides of the pistons without damaging them.
Regards,
Alan


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Richard Fridd on 12 March, 2017, 09:28:58 PM
Adjustable pipe grips (mole grips)? The piston may be scrap anyhow


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: 2Lancialan on 14 March, 2017, 09:01:17 AM
Thanks very much for that suggestion Richard - I will give it a try and see how we get on.
BTW, yesterday I contacted Bigg Red to enquire about caliper replacement/refurbishing. They asked me to send them some photos of the caliper and to let them know what the diameters of the pistons are. I must say that this did not exactly inspire me with confidence that they had any idea what they would be doing with the calipers on my Zagato, so I'm contacting Past Parts and Omicron as alternative suppliers.
Regards,
Alan


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: lancialulu on 14 March, 2017, 09:25:17 AM
a good tip from James Parry which I have used to good effect when compressed air did not work nor mole grips....

fit a suitable grease nipple in the place of the brake line with bleed nipple closed and use a grease gun. uses a bit of grease but that can be smeared somewhere. Obviously a good clean of the caliper afterwards is required...


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: frankxhv773t on 14 March, 2017, 08:59:45 PM
Is it possible that Big Red were being especially diligent and seeking to be sure precisely what they would be quoting on before committing themselves to a price. Too often in the past I have ordered things from people who made out they knew all about it only for them to prove conclusively that they didn't have a clue. Perhaps I am being too hopeful in this case.


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: andyps on 14 March, 2017, 11:48:38 PM
Thanks very much for that suggestion Richard - I will give it a try and see how we get on.
BTW, yesterday I contacted Bigg Red to enquire about caliper replacement/refurbishing. They asked me to send them some photos of the caliper and to let them know what the diameters of the pistons are. I must say that this did not exactly inspire me with confidence that they had any idea what they would be doing with the calipers on my Zagato, so I'm contacting Past Parts and Omicron as alternative suppliers.
Regards,
Alan

PastParts sounded knowledgeable when I spoke to them last week - I certainly got the impression they had done Fulvia calipers before. Slightly cheaper than Omicron so I think I will use them when i get mine off the car - finally got the back end jacked up yesterday and the wheels off so hopefully can get them sorted soon. Then need brake pads and shoes......


Title: Re: Brake Calliper Refurbishment
Post by: Barry.Cook on 20 April, 2017, 06:52:20 PM
Right, callipers all refurbished but I've done a really stupid thing. I can't find the calliper bolts. I tried to order some from Omicron but they don't have any. Does anyone know anywhere that can supply them? The thread is standard (M10 x 1.25) but they are shouldered as the hole in the calliper is about 11.4mm so it's not just a case of ringing the usual bolt suppliers.
No doubt they will turn up eventually but I don't know if I left them in the workshop where the Fulvia is stored or in my own garage which is awash with bits of the TR4 and I want to get it back on the road ASAP.

Thanks,
            Barry