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Model Technical and Interest => Flavia => Topic started by: DavidLaver on 31 December, 2016, 09:49:39 AM



Title: Photos vs reality
Post by: DavidLaver on 31 December, 2016, 09:49:39 AM
There's an interesting discussion as to the perils of close ups and wide angles here.

http://bringatrailer.com/2016/12/22/rare-and-odd-restored-1965-lancia-flavia-sport-zagato/

But mostly an excuse to link to these:

http://www.auto-classiche.it/tama_images/resize/large/27/lancia-flavia-sport-zagato-8.jpg

http://www.auto-classiche.it/tama_images/resize/large/27/lancia-flavia-sport-zagato-11.jpg


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: DavidLaver on 31 December, 2016, 09:52:35 AM
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Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: nthomas1 on 31 December, 2016, 04:47:05 PM
These are very interesting posts.  It's true that angle of shooting, and focal length of the lens used can distort a picture, and I have to admit that I use wide angle lenses quite a lot because, for some subjects, I like the distorted effect.   Shown below is one of my shots of a Flavia Sport, which I'm quite fond of. 

The Flavia Sport is a car I never liked in photographs.  Then I saw my first one  "in the metal" and thought it was fantastic.  For definition of "fantastic" see below.  I prefer the second but I think both fit the car. Take your pick!

1. “Imaginative or fanciful; remote from reality”
synonyms: fanciful, extravagant, extraordinary, irrational, wild, mad, absurd, far-fetched, nonsensical, incredible, unbelievable, unthinkable, implausible, improbable, unlikely, doubtful, dubious, strange, peculiar, odd, weird, eccentric, insane, whimsical, capricious, imaginary, visionary, unreal, strange, bizarre, outlandish, surreal, exotic, imaginative, elaborate, ornate, rococo, baroque

2. informal: “extraordinarily good or attractive”
synonyms: tremendous, remarkable, great, terrific, striking, impressive, outstanding, phenomenal, monumental, overwhelming


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: frankxhv773t on 01 January, 2017, 01:25:59 PM
The close up with wide angle lens can emphasise a particular design feature to good effect as in Norman's last picture.


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: stanley sweet on 01 January, 2017, 06:13:36 PM
It's the first time I've ever noticed that crease running down the front wing - shows up very clearly on the silver car.


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: nthomas1 on 02 January, 2017, 12:29:25 PM
I'd not noticed the crease either.  It is quite subtle, and it's interesting that it's almost invisible in photographs of the model in certain colours.  Looking back at a number of images of the car, the crease seems (in my view) most noticeable on the silver versions.

I wonder if the Carrozzeria Touring designer of the Lamborghini 400 gt was influenced by the Flavia Sport when he developed the front-end of that car?



Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: brian on 02 January, 2017, 02:18:52 PM
Agree completely about the effect of different colours on the appreciation of the Flavia Sport. I struggled for ages in deciding what colour to do mine as the more usual white, silver, Lancia Blue and red I thought unhelpful. So I am afraid I used a 1960s Ferrari blue which I think looks good. I expect to be drummed off the forum ............
Attached picture on SPR 2015.
Brian


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: nthomas1 on 02 January, 2017, 05:43:19 PM
It looks superb in that colour!


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: stanley sweet on 02 January, 2017, 05:58:52 PM
I think I've mentioned before what a lovely blue that is you've used. I'm sure there must have been an influence between the 400GT and the Flavia, whether consciously or not. When I first noticed the crease it was the 400 that came to mind.


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 02 January, 2017, 06:07:07 PM
The swage line on the front wing of the Flavia Sport does show up, even on the dark colours, it's just a matter of how it is photographed and the angle of the light.


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: nthomas1 on 02 January, 2017, 06:51:12 PM
Agree entirely.  Most of the pictures that I have - mostly downloaded - are not taken as well as these!


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 02 January, 2017, 07:15:11 PM
Thanks for the compliments, here are a few more. Sorry about the quality, they were scanned a while ago from 30+ year old photos.


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: stanley sweet on 03 January, 2017, 10:40:02 AM
I imagine they're a bit of a


















































I imagine they're a bit of a Marmite car but I think they're gorgeous things. You'd only get a shape like that out of a modern CAD programme if it had a virus.












Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: nthomas1 on 03 January, 2017, 01:46:25 PM
Lovely pictures.  You may have noticed that my front-end shot of the red car was also quite grainy.  I scanned all of my Kodachrome transparencies before I re-located from the USA a couple of years ago in order to save storage space.  Fortunately, like your scanned shots, the essence of the image remains and I'm quite happy to put my scanned images alongside later higher quality direct images!


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: Jay on 03 January, 2017, 02:08:18 PM
It's not only the top crease/swage line that doesn’t always show up in photos. The lower one that runs along the bottom of doors and wings which is continuation of the front bumper panel treatment, linking the rear bumper, never looks as prominent in photos as it does in the flesh.   


Title: Re: Photos vs reality
Post by: nthomas1 on 04 January, 2017, 09:55:11 AM
True.  I looked at a lot of images before finding one that shows up that line.  On most colours it doesn't show up that well - unless the photographer has adjusted lighting and camera angle to show it.