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Title: Photos-Thesis
Post by: 038tipo on 09 September, 2016, 02:58:02 PM
Hi All.
I just wondered if anyone has any photos of the Thesis I used to own which may have been taken at events.
I do not have any of the car and would like to have some for prosperity.
It was Palladio grey metallic centenario model, plate was PB57 LAN.
Thanks.
Paul
PS while I am at it,  also my Kappa SW P80 KSW Lancia Blue
Ypsilon 1.2 16V Metallic Viola Y189 YLE
Delta S4 F76 UHJ
Delta Evo White Pearl on Italian plates AA probably taken at Brooklands
Many thanks.
Paul


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: Paul Greenway on 09 September, 2016, 03:44:05 PM

Paul,

One at the AGM '11 and two at the AGM '13.

cheers,

Paul


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 09 September, 2016, 10:00:47 PM
Hi All.
I just wondered if anyone has any photos of the Thesis I used to own which may have been taken at events.
I do not have any of the car and would like to have some for prosperity.
It was Palladio grey metallic centenario model, plate was PB57 LAN.
Thanks.
Paul
PS while I am at it,  also my Kappa SW P80 KSW Lancia Blue
Ypsilon 1.2 16V Metallic Viola Y189 YLE
Delta S4 F76 UHJ
Delta Evo White Pearl on Italian plates AA probably taken at Brooklands
Many thanks.
Paul
Hi Paul,
I'll have a look for the photos I took of your S4 at Goodwood track day.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: 038tipo on 12 September, 2016, 12:41:17 PM
Thanks Brian


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: 038tipo on 12 September, 2016, 12:41:44 PM
Thanks Paul


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: Neil on 12 September, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Hi Paul,

I have a photo of your S4 at a Goodwood track day, late 80s? Plus your Thesis with Italian plates at the British Italian Society talk in Kensington 2010


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: 038tipo on 12 September, 2016, 01:52:22 PM
Hi  Neil.
Thanks, S4 would have been track day 1997.
Paul


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: Neil on 12 September, 2016, 02:01:58 PM
1997 that late, before the Goodwood track was updated, I seem to remember your had a problem with the rear bumper, I'll look to see if I have any more photos (film) from that day later.


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: 038tipo on 12 September, 2016, 02:48:12 PM
Neil. yes it must have been then as I bought it just before the picture was taken in 1997, and yes a part of the bumper on passenger side was damaged when both rear tyres blew on me on the autostrada driving it back , it also was wearing its Italian Milan plates too.
Paul


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 21 September, 2016, 01:57:22 PM
Thanks Brian

Paul,
I've found the photos but my scanner is down, as soon as it's sorted I'll scan and post, by the way, according to my photo album it was 1998 not 1997.
It was also an event filled day as a Fulvia Zagato went backwards in to the banking, a Delta 1600 bought as a track day car did a forward roll after getting a wheel on the grass, it went off on a recovery wagon after Barry Waterhouse bought the remains, a yellow integrale also went home on a wagon after he had a big off, which include running over his own bonnet while leaving it still attached, I've never quite worked out how he managed that! ???
I shall also post these other photos,
I have about 5 of your S4 on track and another 6 or so of it parked with everything open.

Brian
8227 8)

 


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: 038tipo on 22 September, 2016, 02:57:43 PM
Thanks Brian, you may be right although I had just got the car, memory sometimes plays tricks, if it was early 1998, then the Milan plates would have still been valid.
I remember the Red(yellow) Evo crashing as the guy argued that his car was never yellow and then proceeded to crash it and post crash, you could see the original paint...
Thanks, look forward to seeing them, do you not have anything on my Ypsilon?
Strange nobody has a pic as it was an unusual colour!

Cheers,
Paul


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 28 September, 2016, 04:23:45 PM
Thanks Brian, you may be right although I had just got the car, memory sometimes plays tricks, if it was early 1998, then the Milan plates would have still been valid.
I remember the Red(yellow) Evo crashing as the guy argued that his car was never yellow and then proceeded to crash it and post crash, you could see the original paint...
Thanks, look forward to seeing them, do you not have anything on my Ypsilon?
Strange nobody has a pic as it was an unusual colour!

Cheers,
Paul

Managed to scan the photos of your S4, and through the windscreen from the inside you can see part of your Ypsilon and it's very distinctive colour.
Looking at theintegrale how can you do that much damage to the front end AND the Bonnet with it still attached ???
 I'll look thorough more old photos and see if I can find anymore.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 28 September, 2016, 04:27:41 PM
More


Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 28 September, 2016, 04:31:43 PM
Even More!
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 28 September, 2016, 04:37:05 PM
That's it :D

How much different Goodwood was then before all the safety features were put in, no paddock as such.
The Fewrrari is Phil Days, but I can't remember who the 037 belonged to, the Flaminia I think is Martin Buckley.
The Racing Fulvia Zagato is I think Louise, but the Shortened Zagato isn't.


Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: lancialulu on 28 September, 2016, 05:18:02 PM
Silver Z following the Flaminia could by Colin Marr??


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: stanley sweet on 28 September, 2016, 05:44:35 PM
I've never seen so many expensive casualties at a track day. Poor old Goodwood did look a bit sad back then.


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: ColinMarr on 28 September, 2016, 05:46:05 PM
Great photos Brian – thanks for putting them up. 1998 doesn’t seem that long ago to me and I remember it well.

The red Fulvia Sport had come off backwards on to the grass at Madgewick. The run off was onto the wet grass, and it just slid into the tyre-wall without slowing. But at that time the tyres were full of hard-core and had no give in them. My son-in-law was in the passenger seat, fortunately wearing my crash helmet. The impact with the tyre-wall broke his seat away from the runners and he shot backwards until the back of his head/ helmet hit the transverse rail across the back of the Sport and bent it to 45 degrees, and in so doing absorbed most of the impact energy. If the impact had been a few cms lower it would have been with the back of his neck, with dire consequences. This experience didn’t put him off and in recent years he would have been seen doing very quick laps of Goodwood in a rather special black Punto HGT.

Other photos show the Flaminia Coupe then owned and being driven by Simon Duval Smith. Simon is the current owner of Fulvia Berlina ‘KPD’, which has been reported on recently. In one photo the Flaminia is being followed by David Laver in his B20 and my Fulvia Sport is lurking in the background.

Colin  


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 29 September, 2016, 06:08:34 AM
Thanks Brian, never realised that track days of the past involved such carnage! Were the recovery firms on standby, or did they turn up on spec, like vultures hoping for rich pickings?


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: sparehead3 on 29 September, 2016, 11:28:58 AM
Wow ! Same view here - carnage ! The S4 looks great, wish I'd gotten to see it but it was before my time.


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: chriswgawne on 29 September, 2016, 12:38:17 PM
I can remember being at a LMC track day at Castle Combe (which is a pretty fast circuit like Goodwood) when an Integrale driver totalled his car just after lunch. He then trailered the car out of the circuit, tipped it into a ditch somewhere else and then claimed a total loss on his insurance.
Chris


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: simonandjuliet on 29 September, 2016, 05:43:20 PM
Not the first , I expect ...


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 30 September, 2016, 12:27:36 AM
I can remember being at a LMC track day at Castle Combe (which is a pretty fast circuit like Goodwood) when an Integrale driver totalled his car just after lunch. He then trailered the car out of the circuit, tipped it into a ditch somewhere else and then claimed a total loss on his insurance.
Chris

I saw that one too Chris and I may have a photo , went of into the banking backwards and reduced it's length by a considerable margin, If I remember correctly it wasn't very old either :o
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 30 September, 2016, 12:35:01 AM
I've never seen so many expensive casualties at a track day. Poor old Goodwood did look a bit sad back then.
Stan it didn't look it's best as the piles of dirt were where they'd started doing the improvements,It was much more accessible though and you could wander off on the grass rather than being corralled as now.
We didn't have this sort of carnage every year, this was a one off,  I think I said before the Delta was a track day car and bought very cheaply, so after totalling it he walked away after selling it to Barry Waterhouse.
I think the recovery bloke was well pleased with his days work that day.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 30 September, 2016, 12:44:34 AM
Wow ! Same view here - carnage ! The S4 looks great, wish I'd gotten to see it but it was before my time.

Paul's S4 was amazing, and he'd also driven it all the way back from Italy, can you imagine anyone doing that these days! I also seem to remember Paul saying the Italian Police stopped them on the autostrada to have a look ;)

Anyone recognise any faces, I spotted Michael Newberry and of course Paul, along with Richard Carr who gave me a ride around in
POO 12 his Evo. there are other faces I recognise but can no longer put names to, Who was the pregnant lady? the baby is now a nearly grown up teenager, what was the lady photographer standing on the banking with her back to us taking a photo of?
I don't know if Paul remembers, but I did a Lancia Christmas card one year featuring Paul in the S4 negotiating the Chicane.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 30 September, 2016, 12:48:40 AM
Great photos Brian – thanks for putting them up. 1998 doesn’t seem that long ago to me and I remember it well.

The red Fulvia Sport had come off backwards on to the grass at Madgewick. The run off was onto the wet grass, and it just slid into the tyre-wall without slowing. But at that time the tyres were full of hard-core and had no give in them. My son-in-law was in the passenger seat, fortunately wearing my crash helmet. The impact with the tyre-wall broke his seat away from the runners and he shot backwards until the back of his head/ helmet hit the transverse rail across the back of the Sport and bent it to 45 degrees, and in so doing absorbed most of the impact energy. If the impact had been a few cms lower it would have been with the back of his neck, with dire consequences. This experience didn’t put him off and in recent years he would have been seen doing very quick laps of Goodwood in a rather special black Punto HGT.

Other photos show the Flaminia Coupe then owned and being driven by Simon Duval Smith. Simon is the current owner of Fulvia Berlina ‘KPD’, which has been reported on recently. In one photo the Flaminia is being followed by David Laver in his B20 and my Fulvia Sport is lurking in the background.

Colin  

Thanks Colin,
Your son in law was very lucky!
I thought that was David in the B20 but I can't remember who was driving the Dedra Turbo, the Fiat Uno I think was probably Roy Winrow.
Thanks for the correction of who was driving the Flaminia.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: 038tipo on 06 October, 2016, 08:54:36 AM
Thanks very much Brian.
At least a glimpse of the ypsilon is there...
Some great pics of the S4 at least from some you can see I am trying, it squats down, there is little roll through corners though, which makes it look like it is slow.
I won't comment further on the yellow damaged car..
Paul


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 06 October, 2016, 10:58:57 PM
Thanks very much Brian.
At least a glimpse of the ypsilon is there...
Some great pics of the S4 at least from some you can see I am trying, it squats down, there is little roll through corners though, which makes it look like it is slow.
I won't comment further on the yellow damaged car..
Paul

your Welcome Paul,
If you want hard copies I'm happy to oblige.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: 038tipo on 07 October, 2016, 10:19:31 AM
Thanks again Brian, I will make the images into hard copies, thanks for the offer.
I didn't get stopped by the police in the S4, I did lose both back tyres at about 100mph which was interesting, on the Autostrada at Brescia in 90 degree heat, got collected within 10 minutes and was taken to nearest tyre dealer off motorway, which was impressive, and he had me by the you know whats as I had to change all four and he only had Michelins as size was a but odd then.
Had to forget my original plan which was to get to Nice and put it on the train to Calais, so drove all the way back, stopping for the night in Reims and continuing next day, had a huge headache, that I remember well, I guess fumes and stress!
The guy at castlecombe was from Manchester and the car was only a few months old, I remember thinking at the time, boy if he is not going to slow down in this rain, he may have a problem in a minute, as I could see the car getting out of shape, then next lap lost grip and four wheel skid backwards into the Armco.
Do not remember the Christmas card at all, anyone else know about it? Would love to have one.
Paul


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: Martin D on 07 October, 2016, 04:34:08 PM
That's it :D

How much different Goodwood was then before all the safety features were put in, no paddock as such.
The Fewrrari is Phil Days, but I can't remember who the 037 belonged to, the Flaminia I think is Martin Buckley.
The Racing Fulvia Zagato is I think Louise, but the Shortened Zagato isn't.


Brian
8227 8)

Didn't see an 037 ........ think you might mean Paul Millet's much altered Montecarlo with Alfa V6 etc, he's still got it, just back from the trip to Torino.
Martin.


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: Richard Fridd on 07 October, 2016, 05:09:19 PM
I think there was a 'Mike Spence' 037 at one of the LMC trackdays, providing passenger rides (@ £5 or so?)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: fay66 on 07 October, 2016, 10:03:52 PM
That's it :D

How much different Goodwood was then before all the safety features were put in, no paddock as such.
The Fewrrari is Phil Days, but I can't remember who the 037 belonged to, the Flaminia I think is Martin Buckley.
The Racing Fulvia Zagato is I think Louise, but the Shortened Zagato isn't.


Brian
8227 8)

Didn't see an 037 ........ think you might mean Paul Millet's much altered Montecarlo with Alfa V6 etc, he's still got it, just back from the trip to Torino.
Martin.
Martin I bow to your greater knowledge in this field ;D somewhat different to how it is these days.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: HPEHF on 17 November, 2016, 10:26:09 AM
Paul,

Picture of you inspecting the S4 you did not buy.

Regards

Simon


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: 038tipo on 17 November, 2016, 02:30:31 PM
Hi Simon.
Thanks I remember it well.
Do you have anything on my first view of the car I did buy?
I also remember you were there.
Thanks.
Paul


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: HPEHF on 18 November, 2016, 04:10:55 PM
Paul,

I have various pictures from the first dealers, pictures from Volta's workshop and pictures from the classic racing at Monza at the end of the trip.

Sorry, nothing from the dealer where your car came from.

Regards

Simon


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: 038tipo on 21 November, 2016, 11:58:34 AM
Simon.
OK thanks I shall have to revert back to memory then...
Thanks anyway.
Paul


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: Andy D on 21 November, 2016, 03:06:50 PM
What a fascinating thread.  Thank goodness that particular track day was a one-off.

Here are a few of PB57 LAN from me Paul.  These links below take you to hi-res versions on Flickr and once there you should see a further link to download near the top left of the page.  Just shout if you have any problems.

Brooklands 2011
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8165854@N08/5672909269/sizes/o/

AGM 2011
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8165854@N08/5999082988/sizes/o/

AGM 2011
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8165854@N08/5998617589/sizes/o/

AGM 2012
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8165854@N08/8043728008/sizes/o/

AGM 2013
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8165854@N08/9174144336/sizes/o/

Cheers
Andy


Title: Re: Photos-Thesis
Post by: 038tipo on 22 November, 2016, 09:09:57 AM
Andy.
Thanks a lot just what I was after, actually it was a shame not to have used the S4 more on those type of events, although it made me slightly paranoid using it lots, I used to think that there were noises I hadn't heard before therefore something was needing attention...
I do miss it terribly though!
Cheers.
Paul