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Title: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: adamf on 31 January, 2016, 09:14:58 PM
Hi everyone,

My name is Adam and I've just picked up a HF Turbo i.e. I'm based in North London but originally from Yorkshire.

I've always been a fan of the Delta and so this purchase has been a long time coming. I bought it from a previous forum member who advised that I join. With them only being 20 mins away I stuck my head into Zagato and said hello the other day, seemed like nice people. I was enquiring about having a bit of bodywork done as its a bit crusty around the windscreen. Found it quite bizarre that there is a Lancia specialist in central London!

I have quite a few queries as there isn't the usual wealth of online info or even a haynes manual for that matter!

Is there a workshop manual that exists for the HF Turbo? I've tried looking online but haven't found much.

I've been getting usual dodgy alternator symptoms and so have had one that I found on ebay refurbed by the wonderful London Essex auto electrics. How much work is it swap out the alternator?

If I wanted to drain the coolant what type should I use? Euro car parts have either blue or pink depending on what year the car is made (blue for pre 2002 I think) Is there a bleed valve or just run up to temp with expansion cap off?

The reverse lights don't work, bulbs look fine, my meter didn't get a reading when I had a friend put it into reverse. I assume that it may be the switch? Where is it located on the box? Also any other ideas?

The coolant warning light comes on when the engine is started, I've been monitoring temps and all is good, no overheating. When the engine is at operating temp and I turn it off and on the light goes out.

I'll leave it at that for the moment, pictures below. Be nice to know if there are any London owners on here. I see ace cafe have a Italian meet, I might pop along to that at some point.

(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg294/AdamFGT/IMG_9165.jpg) (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/AdamFGT/media/IMG_9165.jpg.html)

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Thanks

Adam





Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: fay66 on 31 January, 2016, 10:24:13 PM
Welcome Adam to you and your HF turbo,it looks lovely.
 I used to own one back in the mid 1990's, great car.
suggest you send a PM to 'Andy D', Andy Deykin has a lovely HF turbo as well as other less exoctic Deltas and he has a lot of experience of them, he also bought my Workshop Manual off of me, so I'm sure he would help you.
If you've got electrics that don't work or play up have a look and clean up as many earth points as you can find, including checking the main battery earth strap, as these sometimes look ok but can throw up a number of supposedly unconnected electrical faults, in fact it's probably worth changing anyway.
What's the bodywork like at the top of the tailgate aperture, if you've got corrosion around the windscreen the chances are you've got it there as well, not easy to eradicate but well worth stopping in it's tracks.

Pretty sure you need blue antifreeze ,as for bleeding I have a fsint recollection. possibly wrong that there's a sort of rubber wheel that you turn on one of the hester hoses?
The reverse light switch is once again if I remember correctly is on the back of the gearbox, this may also just need checking for a good connection, if you're going to be removing rear light lenses look on ebay and try to find new red and white plastic screws that hold the lenses in place, these go brittle and break easily.
 Coolant warning light, check lights also suffer from earthing problems.
I used to changemy oil and filter at 3000 miles and always used a good fully synthetic oil
 in my case mobil 1, not cheap but worth the money.
don't forget to let the engine idle a little before turning off.
Think that's about it for now ;D

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: lancialulu on 01 February, 2016, 08:19:44 AM
Nice delta!

Re antifreeze I use blue. Fiat recommend Paraflu which is blue. I generally use. 50% solution to prevent corrosion. IIRC you only need to open the heater valve in the car and pour the stuff in and top up as the car gurgles out the air (not run the engine till all or nealy all a/f is in).

Alternator is a packaging nightmare and I think I got mine out when I removed the driveshaft (the cvs needed changing anyway). They are robust units and you may be able to replace the brush set in situ with the car on ramps.

Reverse is likely to be the switch on the gearbox (easy to test and buy on ebay), but if not you may have a break in the loom ( it does happen on these cars but not necessarily on the reverse light circuit).

Coolant light .... Does the guage read "correctly"? Dont have my circuit diagram to hand but there are only 2 temp sensors - one for the ecu and one for the gauge. Again it could be an earth problem on the dash. It is best to replace the xmas tree earth connections under the dash with hard soldered ring terminals and a lot of unreliability goes away. The warning light is "generated" I seem to remember but scould be wrong.

Crusty windscreen is down to Lancia putting drain holes in each corner of back/front windscreens which corrode over time. Requires windscreen out to do job properly ( but it is an easy windscreen to remove).

Manuals turn up on ebay every blue moon but not necessarily covering the i.e. versions. There is info on wiring of these cars on some websites. Maybe others can remember where they are.

Overall an easy car to work with, and if you have not changed the  for a few years I would advise this is changed with tensioner bearing.


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: frankxhv773t on 01 February, 2016, 10:12:26 AM
What a beautiful original Delta. It's so nice to see more non integrale models being appreciated. They have such crisp clean lines.


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: lancialulu on 01 February, 2016, 03:24:23 PM
I should have added that there is a bleed at the top of the radiator when refilling.


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: GialloHPEIan on 01 February, 2016, 10:48:02 PM
You may find this of use. On eBay right now!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-Delta-Integrale-1987-Shop-Manual-Includes-Evo1-2-Catalogue-Paper-Book-/201515469851?hash=item2eeb420c1b:g:mgEAAOSwN81WC-k-

Very tidy looking car by the way. I used to own an E reg Martini HF Turbo which was great fun but seemed to destroy CV joints without being driven enthusiastically. Sadly, the car was scrapped by the next owner when it failed an MOT.

Ian (6610)


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: fay66 on 02 February, 2016, 05:47:24 PM
Not exactly cheap!


Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: adamf on 07 February, 2016, 11:42:38 AM
Hey guys, apologies for the delay in replying, a bit of a busy week. Thanks for the positive words and info.

Yes there is a bit of superficial rust around the tailgate too, you know these cars well!
Will check any obvious earth straps.

The xmas tree earths you talk about under the dash, where are these?

Donít get me wrong all the lights (literally every single one!) come on and everything works as it should, its just the coolant light, Iím hoping a flush may help. Temp gauge seems to behave, car gets up to 190f and tends to stay there.

Should I use a fully synthetic engine oil? Any other opinions on that?

Yes that manual is expensive! Is that the going rate?

Attached a pic of the tired alternator I got from eBay and what it looked like 24 hours later, fully stripped, blasted, bearings/brushes replaced and sprayed. Can't recommend LondonEssex enough.

Gave her a polish and wax yesterday and fitted some pressed plates as the originals were tired, pic attached.

Gonna speak to a few other bodywork shops through the week and get some quotes together for sorting the windscreen. Any other London owners on here?

(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg294/AdamFGT/Mobile%20Uploads/image_3.jpeg) (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/AdamFGT/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_3.jpeg.html)
(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg294/AdamFGT/Mobile%20Uploads/image_4.jpeg) (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/AdamFGT/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_4.jpeg.html)
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Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: lancialulu on 07 February, 2016, 02:30:19 PM
Adam

Look for where all the black earth leads congregate under each side of the dash.


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: frankxhv773t on 07 February, 2016, 02:48:35 PM
I think this is what is being referred to as a "Christmas tree". There's also a round version with spades sticking out all the way round the mounting screw.


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: lancialulu on 07 February, 2016, 05:28:23 PM
Thats the one. Replace with ring terminals soldered on to the black leads and bolted in place of the tree.


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: adamf on 08 February, 2016, 09:18:53 AM
Thanks for the info guys.

Thoughts on engine oil? Fully synthetic?


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: frankxhv773t on 08 February, 2016, 12:38:08 PM
On a turbo, definitely I would say.


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: fay66 on 08 February, 2016, 12:43:01 PM
Thanks for the info guys.

Thoughts on engine oil? Fully synthetic?
As I said I always used fully Synthetic, but having looked at the link steve posted elsewhere the handbook shows Selenia 15/40w semi Synthetic.
For peace of mind with the heat involved with a turbo I'd still recommend using a good Fully Synthetic oil.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: adamf on 08 February, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Ok thanks Brian


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: Evo1 on 08 February, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
i use Silkolene, now called Fuchs Titan Pro R 15W-50 in my Evo and other turbo cars, not cheap but superb oil, ideal for older milleage cars and it's a nice colour  ;D, i would avoid using anything that's too thin


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: Andy D on 08 February, 2016, 09:03:03 PM
I use Mobil 1 10w60 for my HF Turbo on the recommendation of Auto Integrale a few years ago.

http://www.mobil1.co.uk/synthetic-engine-oils/extended-life-10w-60.aspx

Nice car by the way Adam and thanks for your PM - there will be a message heading your way very soon. :)


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: adamf on 09 February, 2016, 02:35:01 PM
Thanks for the clarification guys.

Will look into getting some Mobil 1.

Fitted the alternator last night, what I mean is that my talented mechanic fitted it.
We managed to get it out from above by removing the coolant expansion tank and a few cables.
Only had to go underneath to to undo the main bolt or the tensioner I can't remember.

Thanks for your message Andy, expect a reply soon!

Car drives lovely for it, the voltmeter on the dash is giving much lower readings than before so I assume it will need resetting with the tweezers, a job I'm not gonna rush into.

(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg294/AdamFGT/Mobile%20Uploads/image_5.jpeg) (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/AdamFGT/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_5.jpeg.html)

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Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: Dilambdaman on 19 February, 2016, 10:38:07 PM
Hi Adam,

Welcome to LMC and the Forum - nice car. Had one myself some years back and absolutely loved it.

Don't know where you are in London but we have a Kent/Sussex Border meeting last Tuesday in the month at the Nevill Crest and Gun Tunbridge Wells. We have a couple of Delta HF Turbo owners who turn up from time to time and a Delta 4WD owner who comes to every meeting. You'd be very welcome to join us. Next meeting is next Tuesday 23rd and details are here  http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7243.0

Robin.


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: adamf on 25 February, 2016, 02:37:10 PM
Hi Robin,

Thanks for the reply, I'll try and make the meet at some point. Its been a busy couple of weeks with work.

Will try and make the next one!

Gonna change the oil/filter and coolant in the next few days, any clue what size the allen bolt is for the sump plug? Is there a washer that
needs replacing?

How many litres of coolant is required? I'll buy the readymixed blue stuff.

And as previously mentioned the coolant bleed is on the top of the rad?

Adam


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: Dilambdaman on 26 February, 2016, 11:25:07 PM
Hi Adam,

Look forward to seeing you at one of our meetings soon. Last Tuesday the only Lancia that turned up was a Delta HF Turbo! and the FWD owner was there as well.

Next meeting is 29th March. If you email Alison Ure (alijoure@hotmail.com) she'll put you on the list for notification of our meetings.

Robin.


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: adamf on 01 April, 2016, 05:44:24 PM
Hope you're all well.

I've decided to garage the Delta for a little while whilst I find a good trust worthy restoration/bodywork guy. I just felt that driving it around London for work with the boot full of stuff was a bit ridiculous for such a rare car, only a matter of time before someone goes into it. Sadly the way of my ex 205 GTi, don't want a repeat.

If anyone can recommend a good restorer/bodyshop who aren't scared of a bit of Lancia rust in Yorkshire I'd appreciate it. Found the most amazing mechanic yesterday about 20ft from my parents house. Old school, loves the delta and knew his way round it! Said he much prefers working on the older stuff. Charged me £30 to drop the engine oil, filter and flush the coolant out.

Given her a full service, hoover, wash, polish and wax before she gets tucked up.

(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg294/AdamFGT/IMG_0622.jpg) (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/AdamFGT/media/IMG_0622.jpg.html)


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 02 April, 2016, 08:56:08 AM
Whereabouts in Yorkshire are you thinking? It's a big place!

Over the years I've found several good old school garages around Bradford, including the one who did my MOT last week, but I've yet to find a good welder/body shop.


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: adamf on 02 April, 2016, 06:42:32 PM
I'm in West Yorkshire but I'm happy to travel for the most suitable person!

Any suggestions let me know.

Adam


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 03 April, 2016, 12:39:49 PM
Deltaparts in Batley have been recommended to me in the past;

https://deltaparts1.wordpress.com/

This was when I was going to have the front screen surround fixed on my previous Beta. I subsequently got hold of another Beta, so never approached them. The back screen will need fixing on my new Beta at some point, so I would consider approaching them re that at some point.

They certainly seem to know their Deltas, but given that it is mostly fixing Evos, I don't imagine that their work is cheap.


Title: Re: New HF Turbo owner
Post by: adamf on 21 August, 2016, 01:47:50 PM
Thanks for the recommendation, will give them a shout.

Been a little quiet on here, Delta has been sitting in a garage in Yorkshire past few months. Daily driver is having a bit of work done on it so might get it out for the next month, really missed driving it!

Hope everyone is well

Adam