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Title: Wiring Harness
Post by: the.cern on 09 June, 2014, 11:38:26 AM
I have been wandering around the internet recently looking at wiring products and prices and chanced upon this.

http://www.autosparks.co.uk/index.php?cPath=224

A previous quote was for in excess of 3K, but that was fitted and commissioned. As that would put me over budget somewhat I thought I might buy some wire and a pair of pliers and just get on with it, after all, how difficult can it be!!!!!

I have asked for a price for my B20 and will keep you informed.

                                          Andy


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: Parisien on 09 June, 2014, 12:13:19 PM
http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6628.0

Wondering if anyone else on the above  thread had any feedback on them since?


Let me know how you get on Andy, we could ask for a forum discount for two looms!!!!!

P


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: Dilambdaman on 09 June, 2014, 12:33:55 PM
Can't speak highly enough of Autosparks who supplied the loom for the Fulvia Fanalone. Correct cable colours made fitting it (3 days before Fulvia 50!) straight forward and Tony Seiler who installed it hardly had to consult the wiring diagram so good was it.

They encourage those who want a loom for a vehicle not listed to contact them as they are keen to expand their port folio.

Robin.


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: DavidLaver on 09 June, 2014, 06:53:03 PM

Interesting how wide a price range for Fulvias.

David


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: the.cern on 09 June, 2014, 08:20:06 PM
David, I had noted that and could not justify it!! Is there anyone out there who can?

                            Andy


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: Dave Gee on 09 June, 2014, 09:27:07 PM
This company made the wiring harness for my Flaminia Sport, in around 96.I'm very pleased with the outcome. The cost then, was about 200.

Dave Gee


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: SanRemo78 on 09 June, 2014, 10:00:34 PM
Have a go yourself! Take your time with it, one circuit at a time, note each wire colour, route to terminals, connector block, relay, light, gauge, switch or sender and you'll know it's done right and have a much better understanding of the car's electrics and be able to trace any subsequent faults much more easily!

Of course I do have the advantage of being able to do the most complex part of the loom on the dining room table but I suspect that the loom on a Group 4 Stratos is going to be a tad more complex than a Fulvia...

Guy


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: SanRemo78 on 09 June, 2014, 10:02:02 PM
And from the back..


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: SanRemo78 on 09 June, 2014, 10:08:48 PM
And nailed in place..

There's a selections of multi plugs under the dash that will allow it's complete removal, the front and rear clips also have their own sub harnesses so the car can be dismantled very easily. The only downside is that connectors are weak spots in the loom so, if you do try to rewire yourself then try to keep the number of connector blocks to a minimum and also make sure that all your earth points are sound. I've gone to the trouble of cross connecting multiple earth points to avoid problems occurring.

Guy


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: DavidLaver on 09 June, 2014, 10:42:31 PM

That's a work of art...

Is the box with "volume" and "squelch" for an intercom or a two way radio?  What's the dial on the same box?

I'm reminded of Spitfire cockpit photos.

David


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: SanRemo78 on 10 June, 2014, 07:55:10 AM
Thanks David  - first replica with the right Group 4 gauges....

The box is a CB radio, if the microphone had been attached I'm sure you would have realised!

Guy


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: the.cern on 10 June, 2014, 08:35:41 AM
Mark, I have to agree, that is a little more complicated, by about 1000%!!!!

That is incredible that you did it yourself ..... definitely worth forgoing a few dinner parties.

I had been tempted with the thought of doing it in sections with connector plugs, but had decided against it because, as you say, the connectors are a potential source of future problems. The cross connection of the earth points is an excellent idea, I think I will go with that, even if I manage to buy a loom!!!

                    Andy


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: DavidLaver on 10 June, 2014, 09:25:26 AM

Connectors also double the work - you need to make the input, output to the plug, input from the plug and final out. 

Another benefit of connectors is giving another test point.

Again - what a work of art - and a love the idea of being able to pull the dash as a unit or remove either end of the car as a unit. 

With the Flavia "power pack" on a subframe its an appealing idea to wire as a standalone unit.  With the Aurelia I gave serious thought to dry break joints in the brake lines to make dropping the gearbox a much quicker job.

David


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: SanRemo78 on 10 June, 2014, 10:11:24 PM
Very true David, the ability to "break" the loom in a number of discrete points could well help with any future fault tracing.
I really appreciate the positive comments made here but it's not rocket science unless you need to open up the Alfa ECU to work on that. Left well alone on this rewire, fortunately the Bosch sub harness fitted to the Alfa donor 12V is pretty basic and easily incorporated into the new loom.
What nobody has commented on yet is that, for the last 25 years, it was right hand drive but no longer.... That conversion has been at least as complicated as the electrics and has required a lot of thought!
Guy


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: DavidLaver on 10 June, 2014, 10:50:11 PM

Does the peddle offset feel more natural in LHD than RHD? 

David


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: SanRemo78 on 11 June, 2014, 07:58:26 AM
Don't know yet David, haven't manged to get a seat nailed in so far. It's going to feel odd for a while, in RHD the legs are slightly offset to the left but in RHD it'll be the other way so I'm going from one extreme to the other plus the footwell is 3/4 inch narrower on the left side or the floorpan. It'll be weird for a while but I'll soon get used to it!
Guy


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: lancialulu on 11 June, 2014, 08:27:00 AM
Don't know yet David, haven't manged to get a seat nailed in so far. It's going to feel odd for a while, in RHD the legs are slightly offset to the left but in RHD it'll be the other way so I'm going from one extreme to the other plus the footwell is 3/4 inch narrower on the left side or the floorpan. It'll be weird for a while but I'll soon get used to it!
Guy

So when is the Ferrari engine going to follow to complete the authenticity??


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: stanley sweet on 11 June, 2014, 09:03:27 AM
Your Stratos in Pirelli colours looks familiar. Do you know Graham Bates? In the early 2000's I was given a drive out from his garage in Bagshot in a Ferrari engined, Pirelli liveried Stratos. Would that have been you? I still remember the gawping motorists as it emerged from the little track onto the A30.


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: chriswgawne on 11 June, 2014, 09:58:41 AM
Andy,
I could be interested in an Autosparks loom for my early 4th Series B20 project with Veglia Instruments. Perhaps you could let me know if they come up with anything interesting please but I would want the loom all in black.
Many thanks
Chris


Title: Re: Wiring Harness
Post by: SanRemo78 on 11 June, 2014, 12:51:15 PM
Your Stratos in Pirelli colours looks familiar. Do you know Graham Bates? In the early 2000's I was given a drive out from his garage in Bagshot in a Ferrari engined, Pirelli liveried Stratos. Would that have been you? I still remember the gawping motorists as it emerged from the little track onto the A30.

No Stanley, that's YBL2T, it's now Alfa engined and is on it's third owner. Mine is PFY3T, same owner since 1988!

Guy