Lancia Motor Club

Here is a photo which I haven't seen before (from autopuzzle)

Wonderful period photo! - and look at the dark colour on the inner wheels! interesting that the article refers to spyder ( with a 'y' ) and Pinin Parina ( two words) both of which I would have thought were incorrect!

Pinin Farina became Pininfarina in 1961.

Another couple which I haven't seen before, from rallyemontecarlo1952a.r.f.unblog.fr plus one other

What a find!!!

Anyone know a source of those screen heaters?

David

Halfords - 1964!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Bakelite-Car-Windscreen-Heater-6-Volts-/281465152412?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4188a1639c#ht_74wt_1161

David, if you are happy to build one (or two) up, I think I have got three or four incomplete ones...

Until 1961, Pinin Farina was the man (sez Wiki: 1961 at the age of 68, “Pinin” Farina formally turns his firm over to his son Sergio and his son-in-law, Renzo Carli, it was the same year that the President of Italy formally authorized the change of Farina’s last name to Pininfarina.).

According to Pininfarina's website, the company was originally called Pinin Farina: "More than 80 years have passed since May 22, 1930, the day when Battista “Pinin” Farina (the surname Farina was changed to Pininfarina in 1961 by Presidential Decree) signed the deed founding Società Anonima Carrozzeria Pinin Farina in Turin."

Here's a a 1960 Ferrari brochure that has the single word:
(http://cartype.com/pics/3578/small/ferrari_250gt_pininfarina_brochure_60.jpg)

or this
(http://www.autodrome.fr/ferrari_250gt_pininfarina_sales_brochure.jpg)

I couldn't find any earlier brochure images online. Can check books when I'm home!

This is from the 1950 factory Aurelia brochure.

I don't have a car to take a heater like that.  It was a friend who recently wondered if they were available as repros.

David

Lovely image.

(Ade, sorry I didn't clock your first post in this thread).

I've seen those windscreen heaters for sale over the years from specialist classic car places. I would think a good starting point might be a classic Mini specialists or a classic rallying place. I have seen old lightweight horse drawn carriages called 'spiders'. I read quite recently somewhere that the use of 'spyder' with a 'y' was invented by Alfa.

From Lancia and De Virgilio, p. 87:

Battista “Pinin” Farina’s surname was legally changed to “Pininfarina” on June 6, 1961, by a decree of the President of the Italian Republic ; the company name was changed on October 26, 1961.

Thanks to Paolo Giusti for this information. 

Alan Wesson aka westernlancia has a few listed on his website!! :o  Says that they may be for sale sometime in the future :)  http://www.oldcaraccessories.com/Demisters.htm

Robin.

I believe "Spider" and "Spyder are interchangeable the one possibly being an anglicised version of the other. Originally the term applied to a type of very light pheatont carriage with a very small body on an exaggeratedly curved chasis so it looked like a spider.  The term carries over into automotive coachwork as a term for a small, light, open sporting car body.

In a similar theme I was once told that really the British should refer to 'Dropheads'. 'Convertible' was an American term. Suddenly 'Cabriolet' was dragged up from the past and became all the rage.

On the same theme Wikiifyoubelieveitpedia says

The term "roadster" as applied to automobiles is American in origin; before World War II, the British equivalent was a "two-seat tourer".[8] The term was used more widely in Britain after World War II, partly through interaction with Americans during the war and partly to make the car more appealing to Americans in the time of the "export or die" policy.[citation needed]

By the 1970s, the term "roadster" was applied to open two-seat cars of sporting appearance or character.[9][10] Roadsters had become almost as well-equipped as convertibles,[9] including side windows that retract into the doors. Roadsters of that time included the Alfa Romeo Spider, MGB, and Triumph TR4. A roadster is still defined as an open car with two seats,[11][12] with some roadsters having power tops or retractable hardtops.[13] A few manufacturers and fabricators still offer roadsters that meet the older definitions. These include Morgan, with the windowless Roadster, Caterham, with the doorless Seven, and Ariel, with the bodyless Atom.
that a small open car is a "roadster" in America but in England it would be a "two seater open tourer".

I have always considered (though I am not sure why ) the term "Cabriolet" to refer to a four seat open car.

Another lady driver

Richard any idea of who she is and the event.
She looks a bit like I would expect Maria Zambreni, who I've been trying find more out about after meeting her at Lancia 100 in 2006 in Turin, would have looked like at the time, and I don't expect there to have been many ladies racing Aurelias back then
Brian
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I will try to find out Brian. I rather like these old photos. Any more out there?

"Condessa Paola Della Chiesa"

Thanks Richard,
Oh well not the lady I'm looking for!

Brian
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Oh well, here is one from "forumauto.com"

Looks like a snow deflector on top of the grill. What the thing on the wing? Just a lamp with an anti-glare cover?

Is that shield above the grill a snow deflector?

Its rare to see a photo with the extra wiper motor visible as well as the wiper.

I'm assuming its a single electric screen demister tube in the middle.  Just lean in and share the view?

Who's lurking in the back seat??

.      Not sure, Mahe? But here is another photo, taken on a warmer day

Pretty sure it's a snow deflector. I have the 'Rallying to Monte Carlo' book by Mike Couper. When he used a Rolls Royce he discovered the wings on the the Spirit of Ecstasy did the same job.

I love the thought of a snow deflector.  When did bug deflectors go out of fashion?  Is it when a wash-wipe became common?

There's also a stick with a circle at its top which appears to be directly in front of the screen.  Any ideas on that?

David

Experts I've consulted in the past seem to share the opinion that the 3rd, top-mounted wiper was hand-operated on the B20s that had them fitted. A wiper motor in the lower-roofed coupe would:
1. impair visibility
2. be a major cranial hazard in a crash

There is also the question of how the upper wiper would be synchronised with the standard ones...

The ex-Claes 1953 Liège-Rome-Liège rally-winning car has been restored with a motorised wiper. But one of its 60s custodians says it didn't have a motor when he had it.

A berlina roofline would make the motorised wiper more practical, or so Chiron thought, presumably! The question of synchronisation remains unanswered.

It look as if Chiron has a headrest on his seat, while his co-driver has a pillow!

Here's a photo of the interior of the Claes car (credit Will How):
(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=78984167d1&view=fimg&th=13205885e14c287e&attid=0.1&disp=inline&realattid=8fdc3ad3da52fe5f_0.1&safe=1&attbid=ANGjdJ9524RiTV0JSf23gP-VesKcRszHbgzLehfAroGik44wmQkx_UluIRo4HJIrtVoNPKVACT5Zw98kLtUSEUxkrWeTHTqs00LpoYpputtHO4pj3XMBfxR6vsqHqwU&ats=1425041998684&rm=13205885e14c287e&zw&sz=w1251-h847)

Here you go David, only problem all of them seem to be in the USA, many Styles and Colours!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1940-60s-SINKO-BI-FLECTOR-in-Original-Box-Bug-Snow-Deflector-25-CHEVY-FORD-NOS-/131438567603?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e9a5960b3

Brian
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So that's a snow deflector...learn something new...

With the extra wiper I've always assumed them to be a superior item off a boat or a plane for use at high speed.  The standard wipers are a bit slow as well as being notoriously fragile.  I never anticipated they'd be used together.  In many years of asking nobody has ever had a definitive answer.  They're also seen on Aston's of the era and I think Rowan Atkinson's historic racer has one.

David

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/12172/lot/134/

http://static5.imagecollect.com/preview/560/177d69542ed7946

http://static1.imagecollect.com/preview/560/ab14f075a15d7e6

There is also the question of how the upper wiper would be synchronised with the standard ones...
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If they were synchronised..... How about a Lucas type wheelbox and tube with the stiff spring run around the screen to link up with the standard wiper rack? Wouldn't need a motor at head height?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-WINDSCREEN-WIPER-SPINDLE-ARM-BOX-2001-PRC8495-/331223019071?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d1e6e2e3f

Guy

If they were synchronised..... How about a Lucas type wheelbox and tube with the stiff spring run around the screen to link up with the standard wiper rack? Wouldn't need a motor at head height?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-WINDSCREEN-WIPER-SPINDLE-ARM-BOX-2001-PRC8495-/331223019071?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d1e6e2e3f

Guy
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I think you just probably put it on at the right timewhen needed! many 30's cars had top mounted wipers because the windscreen opened and you just pulled the lever out of it's park position and let it go to set it going..
The other thought is perhaps they were there as a back up in case you had a problem with the main wipers, which I would have thought was more likely, as I can't really see the need, unless it was used to clear a build up at the top of the windscreen against the drivers A pillar.
David, I seem to recollect that Alan Wesson had some of these, or the bug deflectors, for sale a few years ago.
Brian
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I'm having a guess the thing on a stick may be an external thermometer. As for bug deflectors, I have been seriously thinking about a full width one for the Fulvia. I have never known any car to attract a windscreen thick with varous entrails in such a short time. Gets a bit tedious in summer.

Stan,
I shouldn't think the bugs were that pleased either ::)

Brian
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Now you've made me feel guilty. I'll have to drive at no more than 5mph in the summer.

You do know what the last thing that goes through their minds as they hit the screen don't you?

Could it be 'wow, its a Lancia!!!!' ?

Here's a photo I've had for many years, showing Walter Schock and Ralf Moll in their Mercedes 300SL on the 1956 Sestriere Rally; I've only just noticed the B20 Aurelia in the background!

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q136/vernonderby/Motor%20Sport/001_zps7eyx0azp.jpg) (http://s135.photobucket.com/user/vernonderby/media/Motor%20Sport/001_zps7eyx0azp.jpg.html)

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q136/vernonderby/Motor%20Sport/002_zpsykyikftm.jpg) (http://s135.photobucket.com/user/vernonderby/media/Motor%20Sport/002_zpsykyikftm.jpg.html)

.....did I leave the milk bottles out........ :o


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