Lancia Motor Club

Picture and comments at  http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/z/929565/1568

A great find! - difficult to tell what series it is! - and I wonder what the car club badge is?!

I think the windscreen surround is pre-4th Series, and the circular headlights would thus 'bracket' this as 3rd Series (if I'm right about the 'screen surround).

The point about the windscreen surround seems to be a good one.

The point about the website from which this lovely photo was extracted is to show the amazing quality and subtlety of images achieved from a particular Nikon Nikkor lens used in earlier times with film rather than digital cameras. Nowadays we take lenses for granted and by and large cease to worry about such things. It is difficult to define the characteristics of particular lenses and I used to be sceptical about the claims that were made. Leica lenses were thought to be particularly crisp in their rendition of detail.

However, I inherited one of the late Roger Perry’s Leicas, which I still treasure. The photo below is a scan of a print of my B20 taken with the Leica in 1993 using black & white film. I make no great claims for the photo, but was amazed at the crispness and character of the image, which makes the photo look like a press shot from almost forty years earlier. I don’t understand how it can be, but it seems to be true.

Colin

From http://megadeluxe.com/photography/interview-with-photographer-ashley-border

Colin, I have a Leica 2 that I use now and again, really sharp after all these years

I have admired Ashley Border's work for some time now. Super stuff!
Regards, John

A different approach (I assume it's a B20!)

Jim said he had been doing something a little different, do you think it will affect its value ?

There are some weird lenses out there, personally, I do not understand their attraction.

                   Andy

For those who haven't seen it, from "Classic Driver" today

Some lovely pics there Richard, don't they photograph so well


P

The photo of the B20 is superb and twice the size on the original website.  I think I agree about 3rd series, although it might be an early 4th series.  The air vent trims, which I have been studying recently, I believe are for 3rd and very early 4th.

Paul Mayo

Does anyone know what happened here?  from the photography site  http://www.redbubble.com/people/williejackson/works/6809407-lancia-aurelia-b20-gt

ANOTHER of the great things about a B20 is the sense of security it gives you - a tough old box...

David

To answer my own question http://williejackson.redbubble.com/sets/117587/works/6809407-lancia-aurelia-b20-gt

I have this as my home screen at the moment, a UK car but I don't think I  know the car? Also is it the regular 'Bleu Lancia' or something similar? I also like the reddish interior and wheels. Richard

And rightly so Richard....just sublime...............


P

Mind you even Rolls Royce are robbing the B 20s styling cues........



P

This is rather lovely:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/auto-clasico-mallorca/7452984044/in/photostream/

The design language of the B20 has to be one of the most copied of all time - either the whole design or elements of it have been recycled into countless cars from the 250SWB to the latest RR coupe per Frank's picture.

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http://www.autoedizione.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/targa-florio-classic.jpg

On a Targa Florio retrospective.

http://www.autoedizione.com/italian-granny-wins-targa-florio-classica-in-fiat-1100/

David

From http://www.uniquecarsmag.com.au/news-and-reviews/article/articleid/84701.aspx

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The type of lens does make a great difference and as the last post illustrates, though it may be round, made of glass and see through the bottom of a milk bottle really doesn't cut it.

If I can get windows 8 to talk to my scanner I will try some posts.

Frank

The racer in more recent times (BAT)

Reminds me of the cars one could see at Julius Thurgood's place at the end of the eighties.
He had at least 5 B20s in various states of disrepair, always advertised as an ideal base for historic racing...

Found this one(prompted by the Bardot tread) Edward Quinn

 One of the 255 LHD 4th Series B20s

There's a challenge !

aureliaspider:
Do you know anything more about this wrecked B20S?

Paul Mayo

Looks like typical scrapyard damage

Funnily enough I have seen a 4th Series roof section in good condition recently! I wonder how long ago and where the photo was taken? Does anyone know.
Chris

Bearing in mind what Chugga is up to, you might like to let him know where it is!!!!

I understand that Kevin has a replacement roof etc all lined up already.

Yes, the photo was taken in 2005 in Western Pennsylvania. The car came from northern New York, by the Canadian border. It was owned by an old friend and great Lancia nut named Andrew Ewing. He passed away of natural causes after a good long life, but this car, and a B24 Spider which had been run into a tree and were both purchased as parts cars, were left by the estate to another friend in Pennsylvania.

The Spider was quickly sold to a UK-based dealer and I believe it went to New Zealand and for a restoration.

The B20 was complete, and they had removed the axles only to fit them temporarily on a Spider they were restoring at the time, while the Spider original parts were being reconditioned.

I seriously pleaded with them to sell me this car, pointing out that it was in some sense almost as rare as B24 spider, being one of just 255 of what are considered to be most desirable closed Aurelias.

However, they insisted that the car could not be restored, and it was parted out around 2009 and most of the parts have gone all around the world.

However I bet if you put this on eBay now as a complete car, it would bring $20,000-$30,000 - so I suggest that I was correct.

For the generation for whom these were $500 as running cars and $100 as parts cars, the recent surge in interest was sort of impossible to fathom, even just a few years ago.

I really had the inclination to try to buy it, hold onto it, and see if the economics would allow for a restoration at some future point. But, it was not to be.

Here is a newer one - from 2009:

B20-1150

You spent an entire day hunting for a long-lost B20 in the woods, and find it just as the sun goes down for the day.......

Hi aureliaspider,

B20-1150 is a car I know about.  It belongs to a family in New York  and was bought from J S Inskip in New York on 4 Sept. 1958.
The car seems to have been off road since 1977, but was the subject of correspondence with me in 2009 and 2012 from the son of the owner.  He was not sure what would be done with it, but has a detailed history.  The original engine was probably 1155 but later it had engine B20.2791 which is understood to have belonged in the Zagato Aurelia body#B20-2511.
I shall see if I can find out more.  Here is a photo of the front belonging to the owner.
Paul

Hi Paul--

Yes, I was there, I met the family - I have a lot more photos.

I have to say, I think this one is beyond saving. The same family had a 6th series B20 which was also interesting, they were not selling at that point, but I believe they have since.

The engine itself is in a pretty disasterous state, but they took off all the Nardi stuff and stored inside - therefore someone wishing to make a replica of that Zagato might be able to start with something still on this car. Not sure if they have since sold or moved it, my last communication was in 2009.

Perhaps you know more.......

More Photos......

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I thought this would give you a better view of the late evening one.....

Peter

Nightsight?

Nope, just enhanced it on the Mac...

Peter

Hi,  Thanks for the extra photos.  The car looks terrible!
The 6th series is a 1958 B20S chassis#B20S-1846 with engine# B20-5513 with 17k miles bought in 1966, but I've not heard anything more so far.
B20S-1846 is a late one.  I am aware of the following later ones having survived:

Chassis             Country                Engine B20S-1849   Germany/USA:       B20.5511 B20S-1850   Australia           B20.5519 B20S-1852   ?    B20S-1853   ?    B20S-1856   Italy B20S-1857   USA:     B20S-1858   Italy: (From 2013)    B20S-1859   USA:  (New York)  B20.5528

Paul

 

From http://www.mcarpedi.com/home/lancia-aurelia-b20-in-jesolo-lido

That B20 looks to be in fantastic condition compared to the B10 I saw recently.
photo below.

Strangely enough Paul I believe the 6th series we were discussing last week has just been sold by Gullwing Motorcars:

http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/1958-lancia-b20-s-coupe-c-1971.htm?make=ALL&model=ALL&bodytype=ALL&stock=19819&&utm_source=%23+19819+1958+Lancia+Aurelia+B20S++By+Gullwing+Motor+Cars&utm_campaign=%28UA-3129993-103%29&utm_medium=email

Now what happened to B20-1150 and the Zagato engine?

Well, the car we were discussing was B20S-1846.
I've emailed Gullwing this week about the car they are selling and they have taken a deposit on it, but wont tell me the chassis number.
Why do think the Gullwing car is B20S-1846?

I contacted the owner of B20-1150, but no reply.
Paul

Because I saw it in the garage of the owner of 1150, around 100 meters away from the wreck of 1150, a few years ago.......

The owner would not let me touch the car, go near it, open the engine compartment, thus no way to record the serial number. Also, no photography.

They wanted to sell me the 1150 car - as a restoration project with a price more suited to a pretty good project car.

This car was at that time definitely not for sale. Though I did also see the pile of Nardi engine parts which apparently came from 1150, lying in the corner, well-preserved. I believe the intention was to transplant those parts onto the 6th series, as the 1150 had a 3rd series 2500cc engine (as you already know).

 From http://www.pilotos-muertos.com/2014/Claes%20johnny.html

The extra wiper motor is a favourite feature.  If I'd have had mine another year or so it would have had one.  I've always wondered if they tended to be an uprated item from a plane or a boat to REALLY shift some water or just a spare given the weakness of the original.  A generation prior would have had the windscreen open to see better in filthy weather.

The Perspex bug screen I've seen on other sports racers but not on an Aurelia.  The protection for the lamps I've never seen before at all.

That mirror is an interesting, and sensible, addition.  I like the little spots angled round the corner or to pick out the sides of the road in very poor visibility.  I'd love to see a photo from behind to see what lighting is available for reversing...  I wonder if it carried an extra battery or if the dynamo was uprated at all?

David

Aw heck. Early B20s in the US are very rare. A friend found this in a junk yard in Wisconsin, just a couple hundred miles from me.

There was a nice period cutaway in Viva Lancia some time ago showing all the features of the Aurelia rally cars. It showed the perspex light protectors etc. I think I'm right in thinking there were even drinks bottles fitted inside with tubes for long distance rallies.

Finding an Aurelia in a scrapyard in Wisconsin............................how many more can there be lurking around the world?

This seems to be a third series. Aluminium boot lid and the early door handles. Wheels too.

I would suggest 2nd, based on the rear body shape and front screen mount. Geoff?

Agree - I think the rear is a 2nd series.  Chassis number please!!

Paul Mayo

You guys… gee it was 2005. But the joys of digital archives. It was an s.2, and was sold by Walt Spak back to Italy. The sn was 1884. See photos, be happy!

This car was known to the Registro Aurelia Italiano in 2006, but so far no more information, although quite a few recently restored 2nd series have appeared.

Paul Mayo

I stand corrected. Of course it is a second series. I did not look closely enough at the rear wings.

Hello all,
I'm a new member and a bit out of my depth when it comes to Aurelias but I thought this pic might be of interest. Piero Laverda of the late-lamented Laverda motorcycle company is a good friend of mine and a few years ago when I was doing some research on the Moto Giro [a long distance motorcycle race] Piero sent me this pic depicting one of the Laverda work's riders in the '56 Giro.
 I mentioned the Aurelias in the picture and Piero said his father owned an Aurelia  and used it as a chase car during the event. I don't know whether he was referring to the Aurelias in the pic, possibly not because they look like a pair of official cars to me rather than a private car, unless of course the Laverda team had two Aurelias. This is quite possible because they were a successful manufacturer who dominated the Giro production classes and could presumably run to owning a couple of expensive sports saloons as race support barges. Anyway, here's the pic. Piero told me his father was very fond of his Aurelia ....

(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i384/9JOT/LinoMarchi_zps65b44f82.jpg) (http://s1091.photobucket.com/user/9JOT/media/LinoMarchi_zps65b44f82.jpg.html)

What a fabulous photo.

I could easily be wrong about this, but isn't the front car behind the bike a Giulietta Sprint? Something about the shape of the screen/pillar and door top looks more like an early Sprint than a B20. Also, look at the downward curve of the window at the drivers back and under his arm.

Mmmm interesting... ;D Perhaps the body moulding along the bottom of the door might provide a clue.

Not sure that's much help. The early sprints have 3 piece cast Al moulding which are about the same width as a 3/4 series B20 (which would also be Al, IIRC).

Here's a picture of a first series Sprint ('whisker' grilles, 6" headlights).
(http://www.ultimostile.com/.a/6a0168e8ecf6dd970c01a3fc021023970b-pi)

The jacking points are missing their covers in this picture.

And just to settle the matter! I found another photo from a different angle that clearly shows the window line to be Giulietta not B20.

(http://www.motocorse.com/foto/26005/1.jpg)

I told you I was out of my depth.... ;D

"Lancia at Speed". Not photography, but did anyone here see (or buy) this at Goodwood in September? 61x85cm, signed, mixed media abstract. Est £500-600.

Is this one of Schianna's paintings Richard?

Love the Laverda photos - Laverda + Aurelia = fantastic, Laverda + Guilietta = not bad !

The plaster on the chin is to prevent chaffing ???

Yes. I wonder what it went for?  Here is his B12.

Richard - what was the Italian bike you used to have displayed in your house?

That was a while back! The first of a line of motorcycles which were displayed in the house. It was a Ducati Monster 900. I swapped it for a Buell 1200 after a while, then a Triumph Bonneville Speedmaster bought new and little used (which I am going to sell to make way for a new project). Also a Vincent 500 and a racing BSA Bantam passed through. An Enfield also, which has moved between a couple of friends of mine since I sold it.

Strange to tell but I built myself a replica of the Laverda works bike in order to enter the Moto Giro retrospective. After I'd done the event I used to keep that bike in my house. For some reason the rest of the family didn't quite get it.... ???
Apologies for contributing to this thread diversion...


(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i384/9JOT/100ccreg_zps13132ba2.jpg) (http://s1091.photobucket.com/user/9JOT/media/100ccreg_zps13132ba2.jpg.html)

Just for interest here's the original donor bike which I picked up in Italy

(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i384/9JOT/100ccS-1955008_zpsff6f3c1b.jpg) (http://s1091.photobucket.com/user/9JOT/media/100ccS-1955008_zpsff6f3c1b.jpg.html)

Gorgeous !

Just the word I was going to use.

Richard - thinking about it, it was the racing Bantam I think I remember, not Italian at all!

Here's another Moto Giro gem, it's a film of the 1955 event and the camera car is an Aurelia convertible. There's some stunning aerial footage of the car. If you don't like bikes fast forward to 1m 59s ... ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7I-0mD38kU&app=desktop

Very good! I rather like those small motorcycles from that period. Does the camera car still exist I wonder?

Belle Vue 1985 From http://hyde1841.blogspot.co.uk/2014_08_01_archive.html?m=1. Where is this one nearly 30years on?

From http://www.vintagesportscar.net/mm_rally-2012.html

OFV570 is alive and well with me Richard. Heres a photo when I bought it in the early 90's (didn't dare open the doors for fear of sagging as there were no floors or inner sills!) and then at Donington in October this year.
Lots of new metal before it was back on the road in 1998.!
Chris

Of course! I should have guessed that, as there is mention of a green paint finish in the article. Hopefully the 1985 photo is of interest to anyone who hasn't seen it before.

Whats the article you refer to Richard? There were only very small traces of green paint when I stripped the car and I don't think the guy I bought it from even knew the car was once green.
Funnily enough I bumped into him again at Goodwood in March this year.
Chris

Just re-read my post after the 72nd Members Meeting at Goodwood in March:
'Funnily enough the guy I bought OFV570 from 19 years ago as a wreck for spares, Andrew Purcell from Wrexham with whom I have had no contact since,  turned up for a chat in the paddock and muttered that he wished he had hung onto the car. Strangely enough, about 6 months ago out of the blue someone contacted me and sent me a photo of the car at an auction in Manchester in the early 80's where it was sold for £175.....to Andrew Purcell!
Bearing in mind I paid Andrew £1,500 for the car in 1994 I was able to tell him he actually did alright!!'.

The photo you have posted is the one from that Manchester auction in the early 80's I believe when the car sold for £175.
Small world.

.                              From the vintage sportscar blog "There are three photographs of a Lancia Aurelia with the number plate OFV570 on Flickr, though now painted green, the car seems to have lost it's distinctive mesh radiator grille and there are also minor changes to the lower part of the front of the car" £175!! I like the sound of that. A week's wages for some of us in 1985

I have a recent photo of this car from the web at the 2011 Coppa-Milano-Sanremo [http://drpianale.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/coppa-milano-sanremo-2011-3-di-3/]
It is clearly a 2nd Series, but I'd like to know the chassis number, although I think it may be B20-2030.  It was also on the 2011 Mille Miglia #144 and the 2010 Mille Miglia #170.
There is a car, which I think is the same car which was advertised on the web as in the attached photo.  The chassis looks like B20-2030.  The photos showed a Mille Miglia number 507 and an old photo of a car with the same number.  But the caption is wrong and I put my researches into the following thread.  Unresolved so far.
http://www.viva-lancia.com/lancia_fora/read.php?82,1051572,1051572#msg-1051572
Paul

 Cabriolet from www.carsfotodb.com/uploads/lancia/lancia-aurelia-cabriolet/lancia-aurelia-cabriolet-08.jpg

When I was 14 or 15 years old - 1989 or 1990 - we got a call about a hidden B22 at "Bob's Used Auto Parts" in Kingston, New York.

This was the scene upon arrival. I had gotten some 35mm black and white film somehow for free.

Oh dear !!!!

Just to rub it in, it even seems to have had ali rimmed Borranis!

Lee SE12. Dennis Nursey of "old no.1" fame took this photo (Michael Clarke collection)

Looks like the result of a car bomb!

Great picture from Donington.

Yes of course Peter - its one of yours!! Taken at the beginning of the pit straight just after a mistake where I went over the raised kerb having braked and turned too late. I ruined the sump drain plug!! But that's all thank goodness.
Chris

From pinterest

Anyone here remember this event?

From http://primotipo.com/tag/lancia-b20/ Also https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=AFH5VmGPBWU (last 2 mins or so)