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Model Technical and Interest => Ypsilon, Musa and Y10 => Topic started by: HF_Dave on 25 May, 2010, 09:00:00 PM



Title: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 25 May, 2010, 09:00:00 PM
Ypsilon for sale in Ireland o n a website donedeal.ie I am going to take alook tomorrow . It's a 1997 model in blue, looks very straighi in the picture, €795.00. any advice on buying one of these fine and unusial cars. Thanks David ::)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 25 May, 2010, 09:59:15 PM
Ypsilon for sale in Ireland o n a website donedeal.ie I am going to take alook tomorrow . It's a 1997 model in blue, looks very straighi in the picture, €795.00. any advice on buying one of these fine and unusial cars. Thanks David ::)
Hello Dave,
Can you let us have a few more details and a link to the photos, what engine is fitted? what model is it?
I bought my elefantino Rosso new, and after running it for over three years before I had an accident which meant I couldn't change gear with my right hand, I loved it, went like stink. no real problem with parts as most mechanical items are the same a series 2 Punto,  the Punto Sporting was the nearest thing to my Rosso and was fitted with the same 1242cc 16v Twin OHC 86bhp Fire engine. A Fiat approved Punto Manual by Porter Manuals that used to be available through Fiat dealer parts dept, Fiat Part Number 46000982 covers all models of Punto 1994-1999.
 All lot depends on the specs, but no doubt about it the 16v engine is probably the best one to have although it needs regular servicing and the correct grade of oil to avoid problems, although I've never had one the next best engine on paper is the 1.4.
Check that the electric windows work as these are a frequent problem, also check the rear wiper, it is not the same as the Punto item as it has different fixings, it is twice the price of the Punto one, and definitely not interchangable.
Surface corrosion under the bonnet is par for the course, with the servo usually being quite rusty.
Don't let anyone tell you that the headlights are "Centre dip" as was once believed to be the case, they are not! they are LHD only and not available in RHD, you need a friendly sympathetic MOT tester who will let you blank of the bit of the headlamp that's the problem, I always kept the in car headlight adjuster in the lowest position and I was only ever flashed once.
Speedo doesn't conform to construction & use in the UK, but as it doesn't form part of the UK Mot, it's up to the owner what he does about it, there are people around who can take the unit apart and add mph markings, which is a bit difficult as they must be lit at night.
I think Demon Tweeks do an electronic converter that attaches to the back of the unit and changes the electronic signal, so that where the clock indicates in KH with the converter you read those same figures as MPH, I hope you understand what I mean.
Brian
8227


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fensaddler on 25 May, 2010, 10:14:58 PM
Ireland works in km and kmh Brian, so that's one problem Dave won't have - but the lights will be the same issue they are in the UK.


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fensaddler on 25 May, 2010, 10:17:32 PM
And here's the link to the ad, I think...

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/1333182


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 25 May, 2010, 10:28:41 PM
And here's the link to the ad, I think...

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/1333182


On the site it says £1950 which Sounds a lot of money, but if it's £795 that sounds reasonable, depending on condition;
 my late 1999 elefantino Rosso in excellent condition, with full service history, aircon, 3 Lancia Motor Club owners from new, with 81k miles on the clock, has just sold for a touch over £1420, and you'd be hard pushed to find a better one, but I think that would be doubtful.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160431802124&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 25 May, 2010, 10:31:59 PM
Ireland works in km and kmh Brian, so that's one problem Dave won't have - but the lights will be the same issue they are in the UK.
Thanks for that Chris, something else I didn't know ::)

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 25 May, 2010, 10:36:01 PM
And here's the link to the ad, I think...

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/1333182


Think perhaps that's not the one as it's over £1000 more than the £795 Dave was referring to.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 26 May, 2010, 04:35:46 PM
No Guy's, the add also has a fiat x19 for €1750. I spoke to the vendor and he quoted €795 euros which is quite cheap ;D I think its worh a look for that kind of money. ::)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 26 May, 2010, 04:41:38 PM
Iv'e just took a look back at the add, it says 795 just above the 1,950. I am supposed to take a look at it tonight but I haven't been able to contact him on the phone to finalise arrangements.  Ill keep you posted .  ::)Thanks Briam & Chris.


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 26 May, 2010, 05:07:22 PM
Iv'e just took a look back at the add, it says 795 just above the 1,950. I am supposed to take a look at it tonight but I haven't been able to contact him on the phone to finalise arrangements.  Ill keep you posted .  ::)Thanks Briam & Chris.

Just had another look and spotted the picture this time, it looks good, well worth a look, I note it also has beam benders fitted to the headlamps, OK if you can get away with it, but officially it's not allowed in the uk as a permanent fix.
Good luck,
 Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 26 May, 2010, 08:32:36 PM
I did'ent get to see it tonight, it looks good in the picture but picures can make a rot box look good, I believe the n.c.t est will allow beam benders but generally they are very strict. I've seen cars imported from the uk with frsh m.o.t's that would'ent be within a sniff of passing our national car test. As for the speedo we have been using km's since 2005.  It took a while to adapt your brain to km's I think it's more about loosing our indipendence and becoming more European, I protested at the time. :-\ :-\


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: Jai Sharma on 26 May, 2010, 10:12:15 PM
suggest checking the heater matrix (mist on the screen when you turn the heater on though not sure if you will get that now it is warm outside) - see the thread on that a while back. It is a weak point on the Punto apparently


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 30 May, 2010, 06:01:18 AM
Here's another one for sale on ebay  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200477707844&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: lee69 on 30 May, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
Same colour as my old 1.4  :'(

Finish on the Ypsilon was always good, once it's had a good wash, detail and some wax it'll look like a car half it's age. I can vouch for what Brian says about electric windows and rear wiper, faults on mine and ones that I never got round to fixing.

All you need to to is find a cheap set of Punto alloys on eBay and it'll look even better

Here's mine in days gone by showing my MOT acceptable headlight mods and the Abarth alloys I fitted

http://www.flickr.com/photos/80688018@N00/488637311/


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 30 May, 2010, 10:31:10 AM
Same colour as my old 1.4  :'(

Finish on the Ypsilon was always good, once it's had a good wash, detail and some wax it'll look like a car half it's age. I can vouch for what Brian says about electric windows and rear wiper, faults on mine and ones that I never got round to fixing.

All you need to to is find a cheap set of Punto alloys on eBay and it'll look even better

Here's mine in days gone by showing my MOT acceptable headlight mods and the Abarth alloys I fitted

http://www.flickr.com/photos/80688018@N00/488637311/

Hi Lee while I agree with all your comments, as far as the headlight mod you show is concerned, your MOT man might have accepted it, as did mine, but if you look at "constructions and use" the MOT Rules, and the information booklet that I got when importing my Rosso, it's a specific NO, NO, and can only be used as a temporary measure.
As for wheels, although they are unlikely to be available, the Anthracite elefantino Rosso Wheels look great and wear very well.
One other point is that the paintwork on my Rosso, Grigio mettalic chipped very easily and I had a lot of stone chips on the front of the bonnet, Fiat wouldn't repair this under warranty as they said it was due to the paint being water based and softer.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: thecolonel on 30 May, 2010, 11:10:13 AM
That's a great excuse by Fiat.
water based may be softer (Hmmm interesting thought)
but the lacquer on top will be just as hard as any other clear coat.


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: frankxhv773t on 30 May, 2010, 09:22:13 PM
The red car is Chris Catlow's and was at the AGM last year, in the corner of the back car park with my Y10. It is in Stroud in Gloucestershire, just off the M5. It's a nice car but has had the off side front wing replaced after a bump and it could do with a bit more work to make it really nice. Chris is a nice straightforward guy, a proper Lancisti, and I am sure it would be worth having a chat with him.


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 31 May, 2010, 01:29:06 AM
Here's another one for sale on ebay  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200477707844&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

As Frank, says owned by Chris Catlow who is a genuine Lancisti and nice fella, originally this one was brought in by another member at the time of the Bristol group, Garry Mason; Garry bought it from Van Dijk Schouton Lancia Dealer in Rotterdam where my elefantino Rosso came from, he decided to go for one after I gave him a blast around the Tormarton area in mine.
I do note it has a non- standard air cleaner on it, although at what point it that was fitted I don't know, perhaps it was when the Daughter, of boss of Walkers, owned it? Which is who Garry sold it on to.
Apologies for the quality of the photos. ::)
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: toby2449 on 07 June, 2010, 07:13:16 PM
i was looking at the ad when it was first posted on donedeal & thought about contacting the owner, but thought where would i put it!!! Just on the whole headlight issue, i'd suggest getting the owner to put it through the NCT & agree if it passes maybe split the cost, the last thing you want is to buy a car that will never pass an NCT due to its headlights!


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 08 June, 2010, 10:06:20 AM
Still waiting to see this Ypsilon, The guy who owns it works for Fiat irelad and is somtimes hard to track down. I wonder what he paid for it ? as he is in the trade He told me it was traded in against a new punto by a German lady,


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 11 June, 2010, 07:29:15 AM
 ;D Became the proud owner of an Ypsilon last night :D. 16v engine is quite lively on the run home I was in my Grale and my mate Damien drove the Y I chased behind and it had no problem pulling away from me. 140,000 km on the clock, a little neglected, a little dirty, a little dented, but an easy fix . The rear shocks are a little shaged and the fuel filler cover is in the boot also the fuel filler cap is a pemporary plastic item, the one you buy in petrol stations in a hurry, the drivers side window and the radio don't work, on the plus side it has a new clutch and it cost €500.00. A cheap car. Has anyone tried to convert one to right hand drive ? :D


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 11 June, 2010, 12:45:37 PM
Here she is  ;D



Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 02 July, 2010, 10:32:10 PM
Hi Guy's Im getting through the small faults on the Ypsilon, so far- new rear shocks, rear swinging arm driver's side, new bushings to rear sub-frame, new brake shoes rear, drive shaft oil seal, cv joint boot, a good second hand fan motor for the heater blower. Nearly there, It drives very well now!. Does any one know how to modify the lights for right and drive . Thanks David. ???


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 03 July, 2010, 12:30:36 AM
Hi Dave,
Why even bother thinking about converting to RHD, it's great as it is, I never found it a problem.

You can find a lot of parts for the Y on ebay Germany.
Do you need to modify the lights to RHD? I always used to drive with the headlamps set on low position without anyone flashing me during the 4 years I had my Rosso, only way I can think of is what Alan Cooper did with his Delta HPE Turbo, he cut a slot in the underside of the headlamp housings, then stuck  clear beam benders on the inside of the headlamp lense,then resealed the housing, only problem was that the adhesive went yellow after about 3 years, but it worked. In case you are unaware the headlamp lense are polycarbonate not glass, so you don't have to worry about stones cracking them.

Heater blower, same as 2nd series Punto as will be the electric window, but you'd probably have to find a Punto Sporting for the right bits, as I've pointed out previously, if you ever need the rear wiper motor, only the correct part will fit, it's different to the Punto, although at first sight they look the same, the mountings are different.
Don't forget to use the correct oil in the engine with frequent oil changes as the 16v doesn't like anything else.
The 16v does go well, Simon Davies and myself used to have great cross country chases on our way from Herefordshire to Goodwood for track day, me in the elefantino Rosso, and Simon in his Delta HPE Turbo, cross country they were fairly well matched.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 19 July, 2010, 04:46:09 PM
I brought the Ypsilon to the local "Fast Fit" service center to check the lights, the beam is straight ahead not pointing to the right. I was told by an N C T tester that as long as the beam is flat it will pass, so i need to get a blanking piece to cover the bit of beam that points up at an angle . It should work :)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 19 July, 2010, 11:01:40 PM
I brought the Ypsilon to the local "Fast Fit" service center to check the lights, the beam is straight ahead not pointing to the right. I was told by an N C T tester that as long as the beam is flat it will pass, so i need to get a blanking piece to cover the bit of beam that points up at an angle . It should work :)
Good news but I'm very surprised as with my Rosso if you shone them against a wall there was a distinct kick up to the right.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: lee69 on 20 July, 2010, 07:54:22 PM
When I first bought my Y it had no mods to the headlights, so the chap that did my first MOT with it marked out where I should apply some blanking pieces. I didn't use the accessory beam benders, but cut specific shapes from black gaffer tape. They usually lasted the 12 months until the next test. I've attached a pic below if it helps to work out where to fit yours.

Lee


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 27 July, 2010, 09:26:42 PM
Thanks tor the tip Lee, I did'ent have much luck with the local fast fit, they werent to keen to try and modify the beam. I am going to try and blank the beam myself, park on level ground and shine the beam on a white backround. I have studied your picture its a bit small to see your tape but I have an idea where to start now ::)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 30 July, 2010, 09:48:07 AM
I mucked about with bits of tape on the lamps while shining the beam on the garage door, kind'a managed to eliminate the beam that points up on the right, looking al Lee's pic the tape is in nearly the same place,   :)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: lee69 on 30 July, 2010, 06:42:55 PM
If you still need it, here's a link to the same picture on flickr. If you select "all sizes" above the image you'll be able to look at a larger version.


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 05 August, 2010, 09:53:55 PM
Still working on the little bugger ! i mean ypsilon, I removed the carpet to replace it with the carpet I got from the breakers, I found a hole in the floor !! I tought I left the dreaded rust behind with my beta ! anyway the hole ! I think was caused by the car being beached on a kerb or somthing removing the under body seal an exposing raw metal to the elements. I whipped out the mig welder and quickly welded the offending hole 8) My excuse is the German salty roads causing the rust and not modern Lancia metal  ::)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: toby2449 on 22 September, 2010, 07:09:54 PM
Dave, how's the coming along?? Any updates for us?


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 30 November, 2010, 09:34:47 PM
The latest om the Ypsilon front, I brought the car for it's N,C,T test. The dam thing failed, 1, headlights 2, wrong bolts in the wheels, they claim they are the wrong bolts, how they know this is a mystery. 3, the light for the airbag does not light up on starting the car. another mystery. Any way someone disconnected the bulb or in this case the Led from the printed circuit in the dash board, this I fixed by soldering in a new one, then bringing the car to the garage to have the air bag re-set.and then the lights re aligned. The re-test is next friday. wish me luck :P


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 30 November, 2010, 11:01:44 PM
The latest om the Ypsilon front, I brought the car for it's N,C,T test. The dam thing failed, 1, headlights 2, wrong bolts in the wheels, they claim they are the wrong bolts, how they know this is a mystery. 3, the light for the airbag does not light up on starting the car. another mystery. Any way someone disconnected the bulb or in this case the Led from the printed circuit in the dash board, this I fixed by soldering in a new one, then bringing the car to the garage to have the air bag re-set.and then the lights re aligned. The re-test is next friday. wish me luck :P

Good Luck Dave ;D

Brian8227 8)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: thecolonel on 01 December, 2010, 05:47:04 PM
stiff test, functioning/non-funtioning air bag light doesn't come under the mot.


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: Charles on 01 December, 2010, 11:24:09 PM
Wot's an AIRBAG ?


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: thecolonel on 02 December, 2010, 11:55:59 AM
It's a bit like a beer-gut, but attached to the steering wheel, rather than resting on it


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: lancialulu on 02 December, 2010, 02:28:59 PM
difficult to get a beer gut drinking gin!

Tim


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: Charles on 02 December, 2010, 04:59:37 PM
Kind of kind of the Colonel to say "like a beer gut", rather than "like your beer gut"!


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 02 December, 2010, 05:05:17 PM
I tought the air bag was me ;D. or the guy in the test center. apperently this is a new failure in the test, if it does not come on when the key is turned and then go out it means there is a fault ! so disconnecting it hides faults!.  :( I reckon the last owner or garage where it serviced did'ent have the equipment to re-set the airbag. anyway I'may have to cancel the test due to the weather because its  under two feet of snow at the moment :-[


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: thecolonel on 02 December, 2010, 05:07:49 PM
One would never sink to the use of personal abuse, unless it was absolutely necessary, of course.
I was merely offering an explantation somewhat more relative to the lower orders.

chin chin.


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: thecolonel on 02 December, 2010, 05:15:13 PM
Interesting reading :

http://www.irishlinks.co.uk/nct-test-ireland-mot.htm


Drivers without an NCT certificate face a €1,500 fine, but, and from May 2009 drivers will be issued with five penalty points

From Jan 2010 - vehicles registered prior to 1 January 1980 will not be liable to testing

Geoff


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 03 December, 2010, 01:20:10 AM
Interesting reading :

http://www.irishlinks.co.uk/nct-test-ireland-mot.htm


Drivers without an NCT certificate face a €1,500 fine, but, and from May 2009 drivers will be issued with five penalty points

From Jan 2010 - vehicles registered prior to 1 January 1980 will not be liable to testing

Geoff

I see it's cheaper than an MOT and up to now only necessary every 2 years. be nice if we could have the no testing required for pre 1980 vehicles the same.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 03 December, 2010, 07:23:54 AM
Isn't 1980 the year deemed by the EU as a cut off for 'classic' cars? I think a lot of european countries are removing lots of requirements for cars manufactured pre this date. We should really be starting a campaign amongst clubs to have this in the UK. The free road tax should also be equalised to this date.


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 03 December, 2010, 08:25:14 PM
Yes horray, The little bugger oh! I mean the little Ypsilon passed the dreaded N.C.T  ;D I had a very enthuastic tester, the lights were showing a little bit of beam in the wrong direction with the beam benders but he was'nt to concerned. He was taken with the general overall good condition of the car. Now this raises the question, did he pass the car because he liked it or because in was road worthy in every way. I know it's a very stiff test but it has to last for two years, this is an EU directive so I woulden't be suprised if this system came to the UK. The 1980 cut off date is a bit of a bummer as the Have trouble taking readings for emissions even off my Thema and Grale and they are twenty years old. ;D also they cant test the brakes on the Grale because it's four wheel drive.  :P


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: fay66 on 04 December, 2010, 12:15:44 AM
Yes horray, The little bugger oh! I mean the little Ypsilon passed the dreaded N.C.T  ;D I had a very enthuastic tester, the lights were showing a little bit of beam in the wrong direction with the beam benders but he was'nt to concerned. He was taken with the general overall good condition of the car. Now this raises the question, did he pass the car because he liked it or because in was road worthy in every way. I know it's a very stiff test but it has to last for two years, this is an EU directive so I woulden't be suprised if this system came to the UK. The 1980 cut off date is a bit of a bummer as the Have trouble taking readings for emissions even off my Thema and Grale and they are twenty years old. ;D also they cant test the brakes on the Grale because it's four wheel drive.  :P

Congratulations Dave.
I'm a bit surprised they allow you to get away with LHD headlamps by using beam benders.
Construction and Use Regulations in the UK specifically say it's a NO NO, although a lot depends on having a sympathetic MOT tester.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 06 December, 2010, 10:01:27 PM
Yes as I said I think it's down to the guy who tests the car, if the car is woad worthy and you put effort into prepairing the car they seem to go easy :)


Title: Re: I think I'll buy an ypsilon.
Post by: HF_Dave on 21 July, 2011, 10:02:02 PM
Bought another Ypsilon yesterday ??? I must be mad, this one was traded in to Tractamotors in Blanchardstown, west Dublin, It's black wit a 1.1 L engine, unfortunatly no engine parts are compatable with the 1.2L . The body is in good shape and it is a one owner car. How much I hear you ask ? €150.00 and I drove it home everything works . What a shame I have no paperwork for it. :) Thanls David.