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General => General Chat => Topic started by: peterbaker on 03 February, 2010, 07:40:25 PM



Title: Toyota
Post by: peterbaker on 03 February, 2010, 07:40:25 PM
Looks like Toyota are going through a 'Lancia' moment. Big trouble looming.


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: Joanna on 04 February, 2010, 06:10:23 PM
is this about the accelerator pedal shared by peugeot (spelling)  and citroen ?


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: fay66 on 04 February, 2010, 07:18:24 PM
According to my paper today this pedal is shared by Peugoet 107 and the citroen C1, but I thought these were based on the Toyota Aygo that hasn't been mentioned so far  ??? I note on the BBC news Toyota now say the problem with the Prius braking is down to the software. At least Lancia admitted there was a problem, seems like Toyota knew about the problems but had kept quite, it will take them years to live this one down.

Brian
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Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: Neil Lewis on 04 February, 2010, 11:26:24 PM
it will take them years to live this one down.

I doubt that, people the world over love their Toyotas.  I don't know why; they must all be deranged.  But then there's no accounting for taste :D

Neil


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: fay66 on 05 February, 2010, 12:16:01 AM
it will take them years to live this one down.

I doubt that, people the world over love their Toyotas.  I don't know why; they must all be deranged.  But then there's no accounting for taste :D

Neil

The Japanese at their board meeting today and interviews with people in "Toyota Town" certainly seemed to think so.

Brian
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Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: lee69 on 05 February, 2010, 07:17:41 PM
Peter, your line has been hijacked by the Autos*ite.com forum (add an 'h') Go to Message Board then General Chat.


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: peterbaker on 05 February, 2010, 07:26:40 PM
story of my life


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: toby2449 on 07 February, 2010, 10:09:26 PM
8 million cars worldwide!! & Toyota have known about this problem for years, but quite literlly sat back & did nothing! A congressional committe in the States has requested internal paperwork from Toyota dating back to 2000.
Apparently Toyota faces massive fines for the delay in recalling the effected models.

Typically i think Toyota will pull through & coverage (certainly in UK & Irish media) has been very kind to Toyota, less so in the USA where Toyota bashing is now in full swing & GM, Ford & Chrysler are all giving out extra incentives to lure "worried" Toyota customers to their dealerships".

I can't help thinking if any of the FGA brands were involved in something like this the media in UK & Ireland wouldn't be so kind!


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: Aurelia Adam on 08 February, 2010, 10:35:19 AM
Topical humour ....

The car in my front room is a Toyota!

I'm so angry with Westminster, I could buy my MP a Toyota.  (courtesy of the D.Tele)

It's noticeable that the Americans seem to want to exploit the opportunity to "Japan-Bash", ironic as the offending part is actually American made.

Adam


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: nyssa7 on 09 February, 2010, 04:03:43 PM
Supreme spoof on this at www.sniffpetrol.com


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: ncundy on 09 February, 2010, 05:30:50 PM
"The Schumachers" always makes me chuckle - another good one this month  ;D


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: lee69 on 09 February, 2010, 06:33:47 PM
I thought I was the only one that enjoyed sniffpetrol - good to know I'm not alone in my tastes!


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: peterbaker on 09 February, 2010, 07:19:20 PM
Im now waiting for a group of US Prius owners to sue Toyota over exagerated fuel consumption claims. Fact is all manufacturers do the same thing and the sooner they are forced to tell the truth the better. 


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: toby2449 on 09 February, 2010, 08:16:53 PM
Im now waiting for a group of US Prius owners to sue Toyota over exagerated fuel consumption claims. Fact is all manufacturers do the same thing and the sooner they are forced to tell the truth the better. 

very true, i worked for a Toyota dealership when the last generation Prius came out, & Toyota claimed you could get 70mpg, so the sales director at the time took one for two weeks & never once go about mid 40s!!


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: toby2449 on 09 February, 2010, 08:32:38 PM

just an update on the Toyota recall, so its 8m Toyota's, now there's 437000 Prius, & now Federal Ingestigators in the US are looking into the power steering system of the 2009/2010 Corolla 4dr!

apparently over 40mph 70 owners have experienced the car veering to the right or left!!!

This is brilliant though, this is a reply to a topic on ANE, an industry paper which i'm a subscriber of..... (an American post BTW!)

Floyd wrote:
This foreign company bringing there deathtraps over here and deliberately murdering at least 19 Americans, since they have known about this for years and covered it up, they need to make an example out of them. After all the junk and tainted crap that has been flooding our country from Asia to pull all these deathtraps off our roads is completely reasonable. GM had the corvair, Ford had the pinto, Toyota has every vehical they make, time to get rid of them.
2/9/2010 2:22 PM EST



Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: peterbaker on 09 February, 2010, 11:09:09 PM
Thats a bit strong. Taken to the extreme I would still trust my life to a Toyota Land Cruiser rather than a Range Rover.


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: Zagato on 09 February, 2010, 11:10:26 PM
"All manufacturers do the same thing regarding fuel economy?"

As far as the UK is concerned I thought that all manufacturers had to comply with a Government controlled standardised test regarding fuel economy figures .... in fact it could be a European standard test .... I'm not sure. As for the US ... well thats another story ...

So I think that this almost damning statement is very misleading and somewhat unfair to say the least

I've just had a week away ... and my father used my car for the week ... the average fuel consumption went up from my normal 30mpg to nearly 35mpg ... cant think why? and most of his driving was urban ... as apposed to my mainly rural driving ...

It's a 'guide' based on a standardised test ... because no two drivers drive the same roads in the same way, at the same time etc etc
I really must remember to take that lump of lead out of my right boot - perhaps I could get 35mpg+? But would I enjoy it??????


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: ncundy on 09 February, 2010, 11:49:27 PM
well that's the problem with an average: 50% can better it, 50% will be worse.


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: Zagato on 09 February, 2010, 11:57:41 PM
Just right Nick

Its about the best you'll get in an imperfect world

Anyway who would buy an Integrale and be worrying about the fuel economy?
I didn't when I had one ... I was more worried about losing the licence!!!

Just drive it and enjoy it


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: peterbaker on 10 February, 2010, 08:35:27 AM
The difference between Toyoto and other manufacturers is the way they market the product, pretending to be so holy and clever. Fact is, unless you live and drive within a city enviroment its fuel returns are less than say an equivalent  Focus or Golf diesel, and the car carries a hefty price premium. When you also take into account build cost, transport from factory to point of sale, repair and end of life costs the sums dont add up. Even the emission advantage is questionable now that most if not all small diesels such as blue motion Volkswagens are equipped with particle catching whatsits. Plain fact is Toyota is trying to tell us they are saving the world. Its not true.


Title: Re: Toyota
Post by: Zagato on 10 February, 2010, 09:02:08 AM
I couldnt agree more ...

So not all manufacturers are the same - with that also I would agree

Which was the point I picked up on from Peters earlier post