Lancia Motor Club

Hi All, this is my first post. I have bought many classics over the years but never owned a Lancia but in the last 6 months bought my first and second! Having always admired Fulvias, never been able to buy one when the implulse to buy comes over.....anyway, I now have JKK 669N series 3 Fulvia coupe and Zagato Sport GAC 588K.
Now, the reason for my post, is that I want to find out the original spec of both cars and when they were made etc. Or indeed any history for either!
Nothing much is listed at the club.

Regards,

Michael

Hi,

 According to the last set of details in the Zagato register, GAC 588K was listed as 'owner unknown' and that it was offered for sale at the AGM in 1998. It is identified as a 1300 Series 2 car in Silver. As for specifications, do you mean the original trim and so forth?

Michael,

Welcome to Lancia ownership and the forum!

You may not have noticed it but the LMC homepage, that you probably opened in order to find the forum, has on the top line a tab on the right that leads you to a "Model Guide" - this has lots of basic information about all the Fulvias, types, productions runs etc.

If you need more, there are also lots of books that we can guide you to.

Colin

Thanks Colin and Phil. The log book lists one colour change on the Zagato and from the seals peeled back and engine bay, it looks like a cream or white. Just want to know the exact so that if I return it to original spec, I choose the right colour!
Phil, yes, any exact trim spec colours, again, to get the spec right.

I will have a look at the model guide as well.

Cheers

Michael

Hi Michael,

I don't know where you are but if your anywhere near Omicron, Martin helped me sort out the colour of my Fulvia 2c, as Grigio Doncaster = Doncaster Grey from colour swatches that he has.
Quite a few of the series 1 Fulvia were named after famous racecourses.

Avorio Chantilly
Bronzo Longchamps
Grigio Ascot
Grigio Doncaster
Grigio (Scuro) Epsom
Grigio Newmarket ( which I originally thought was my colour)

The parts list does list most colours but with out the code or a colour swatch how do you tell ::)


Brian
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Welcome to Fulvia ownership and the LMC!

To find out when the car was made, you should try contacting Barbara Longlands (listed in Viva Lancia under Club Secretary).  She should be able to date the car if you send her the registration and chassis numbers.  Hope this helps.

Stuart.

You might just find a colour code label in the glove box generally a max meyer paint code.

If white it maybe Saratoga White which is quite a white white if you know what I mean!

Tim

Nice ont Tim, yes it is Bianco Saratoga 0251! Where can I get a colour chart to see if its nice? If I order this paint, can a paint specialist match it?

Cheers

Michael

My HF is painted in same!!!!

Most car paint suppliers (find in yellow pages) can mix this colour - it has a variety of manufacture codes Lechler and max Meey being the most common. Ask for an aerosol.

Where are you located?

Tim

Hi Tim, I am based in Northamptonshire. On the paint, did you soda blast the car or use discs? I am going to have a bare metal but want to choose the best method of paint removal.

Regards,

Michael

Regarding paint removal, it depends on many things;

Soda blasting and other blast medias are effective on paint and will get a bare metal finish, no rust or paint. It is not so good on removing filler though so not ideal on a Zagato as the factory used a lot of filler in the cars, you will also need someone to do it so not a DIY option. Car should be a bare shell.

Paint stripper; Nitromors or similar. The most practical DIY option although it is dirty, sore and you need to wash off the surface afterwards. Does not do anything to rust but will get through filler. Quite cost effective, I used this for my Zagato. Car should be a bare shell but does not need to to be depending on the level of restoration

Discs are too powerful and aggresive for over all use but they are good for grinding out rust spots. Car does not need to be stripped

If you are intending on doing it yourself I would go for a combination of stripper and discs if cost is an issue. If you can get the shell to a blaser then that is the most thorough job but you need to get a good etch prinmer on straight away. You may also be shocked at the amount of poor metal removed.

Agreed with Phil with one addition and that is my guy swears by a "zip" wheel - a vicious "wire brush thing" on an air grinder drive. Yes etch prime is vital and and a thick polyester filler coat sprayed on and rubbed down gets out any grind/scratch marks.

Tim

Yes, the good old Zip wheel, it is indeed a thing of ferocity. I used one that screwd straight onto an angle grinder. It is though better at digging out rust and leaving the surrounding good metal. One caution though, it can get the area awfully hot if you are not careful

And you end up with bits of wire sticking out of unprotected flesh (which is why I left this to others!).

Tim

Thanks for the painting and stripping tips. I have spend money on classics before where I have tried to obtain a low cost paint job, and guess what, ended up with a low cost looking paint job!! On the Zagato, I was trying to think it through a little better and try to minimise cost but not end up with a cheap job. Is it best to find a good quality paint shop and spend say £3000? Or is this an unrealistic figure?

M

I think 3K, if it includes all labour is too low. The materials will be £3-500 alone as you are repainting the entire car back to white then labour at say £50 you only have roughly 50 or so hours I do not think this is enough to do a rear valance, both doors and the inevitable 'while we are in there' jobs that will crop up. Of course if you can do some of he stripping and prep work you would save some money.

I work for a insurance approved accident repair centre and agree with the last comment re pricing. We prepped and painted a Subaru bare shell, and all wings ,bonnet and boot, etc, and that came out at £6k :o.But went out looking mint, the prep work is the the secret, your prep standard and our prep standard, will  , believe me will be completely different. Hope that helps, you get what you pay for. After all the work on the Subaru, it was rebuilt by some one, went on the first event, rolled as was written off, thats rallying a cheap sport. ;)

Itook mine back to metal myself to save money and the full prep and paint was about 5k.

Any shop worth its salt working on a Zagato will always find unavoidable extras.

After all the prep by my metal shop it went for paint and guess what the prep wasnt up to their standard so more cost. cant say how much I spent on restoring or wife would literally kill me! Depends on how much you are going to do your self and how quickly you want to start using the car. You dont want an unfinished project on your hands. My HF cost me £4k but the Sport was more than double!!

Tim

I know I am going around in circles here but what colours were avaliable on the sport zagato? Did they ever do it in that dark flat grey seen on the saloons?

Thanks

Michael

The available colours on the Sport were;

Grigio Max Meyer
Grigio Autevil
Grigio Doncaster
Argento Smalto
Bianco Verolac smalto
Bianco Saratoga
Avorio S. Anita
Verde Ostenda
Verde speciale
Testa di moro
Blu metallizzato
Blu Mendoza
Blu Lancia
Blu Giamaica
Rosso Palermo
Rosso Salmone
Rosso San Siro
Rosso
Nero

I have the colourchips for most of these

Of course being a semi coachbuilt car you could probably ask for what ever you wanted!

Thanks Phil, excellent. Do you have images or pics of the greys and silvers?

Cheers

Michael

That sounds like the Grigio Doncaster of my 2C, which Phil lists as available on Zagato

Photo of my 2c be

Brian

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