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Model Technical and Interest => Beta and Montecarlo => Topic started by: Thotos on 29 July, 2009, 01:43:02 PM



Title: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 29 July, 2009, 01:43:02 PM
I've already posted this on the Betaboyz forum so I hope you don't mind the duplication. I thought some of you guys might not be visiting the 'other' forum and as I am trying to bore as many people as possible with my Trevi experience, here it all is:


Have you written any sort of blog on this car elsewhere?  Seeing the 131mirafiori.com page showing the sill work got me thinking.


No, I am not good at doing that sort of thing. I do things on the car and then forget about them and move onto the next bit...  ::)

I am getting both very impressed with the Trevi and quite attached to it  :-* so I thought I'd have a go at boring everyone with my Trevi experience and trials and tribulations.

Some work and repairs on the car have been reported elsewhere on this forum (and some other forums). The latest job (last night in fact) was changing the exhaust middle section and you can read about that at http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2124.msg15428#msg15428 (http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2124.msg15428#msg15428).

One of the things that annoyed me with the car when I got it were the smoked rear lenses, so having managed to get a very good nearside light unit and a brand new offside unit from Chris (ex-Betacar) the rear lenses are now as Lancia intended them to be.

Before:

(http://www.alkionides.org/Photos/Trevi/tl1.JPG)

After:

(http://www.alkionides.org/Photos/Trevi/tl2.JPG)

You should have also noticed that in the "Before" photo the sun visor is at a strange angle and that's because the little clips that hold it in place had lost their shape and hence their holding ability. With a bit of heat and a lot of patience they have been given their original shape so in the "After" photo the sun visor is held in it's correct position.

The front lights were also refurbished by taking several sets of lights apart and selecting the best combinations of bowls and glass and reassembling two headlamps which while not as good as new they are good enough (for now at least).

(http://www.alkionides.org/Photos/Trevi/tf1.JPG)

At least the car no longer has the strange "mascara style" headlamp with black borders on the bowls of the offside headlamp only  ::)

Another annoying "feature" of the car was the boot lid giving me a headache every time I opened it as the gas struts lost their strength. But I found a company in the Midlands that re-gas the struts back up to full pressure and the boot lid can now stay open!  :D

Before (simulated):

(http://www.alkionides.org/Photos/Trevi/tb1.JPG)

After:

(http://www.alkionides.org/Photos/Trevi/tb2.JPG)

I'll try and keep this thread updated with details of any major or interesting work carried out on the Trevi.


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: m tulloch on 29 July, 2009, 02:01:00 PM
What are the details of the gas strut company? I need to get the ones from my HPE re-gassed.


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 29 July, 2009, 02:21:07 PM
They are:

SGS Engineering (UK) Limited
Unit A6
Cranmer Road
West Meadows Industrial Estate
Derby
DE21 6JL
Telephone: +44  (0)1332 298 126
Fax:            +44  (0)1332 366 232
Email:   andy@sgs-engineering.com                     
Web Address: www.sgs-engineering.com (http://www.sgs-engineering.com)


You can buy new ones off the shelf or have your old one regassed. At just 8.50 each to regass the Trevi ones I thought it was an absolute bargain  :D


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Lindsay on 03 August, 2009, 07:07:47 AM
Lovely to see a Trevi - and you are so right to ditch the smoked rear lenses. Looks 100 times better with the originals. Well done for taking it on.

I see there is one on ebay just now, starting price of 1500.


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: fay66 on 03 August, 2009, 07:59:49 AM
Hi Lindsay,
Do you have the link or the item number please.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: m tulloch on 03 August, 2009, 09:43:19 AM
They are:

SGS Engineering (UK) Limited
Unit A6
Cranmer Road
West Meadows Industrial Estate
Derby
DE21 6JL
Telephone: +44  (0)1332 298 126
Fax:            +44  (0)1332 366 232
Email:   andy@sgs-engineering.com                     
Web Address: www.sgs-engineering.com (http://www.sgs-engineering.com)

Many thanks for that. :)
You can buy new ones off the shelf or have your old one regassed. At just 8.50 each to regass the Trevi ones I thought it was an absolute bargain  :D



Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 03 August, 2009, 10:03:36 AM
Do you have the link or the item number please.

Here it is http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/lancia-trevi-2ltr-twin-cam_W0QQitemZ260457428955QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/lancia-trevi-2ltr-twin-cam_W0QQitemZ260457428955QQcmdZViewItem)

It's just been relisted as it didn't sell last time.


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: fay66 on 03 August, 2009, 06:31:14 PM
In the 2000 Register it's listed as belonging to a member Mr C J Wilde who at the time lived near Sheffield.
Looks like a good one to buy.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Betaboy2.0 on 05 August, 2009, 11:01:41 PM
That Trevi on e-bay does look interesting.... but...

Have you noticed that it is fitted with Beta series 2 saloon doors (Probably fitted when it was "restored". So therefore it has the wrong handles (correct Trevi ones can't be fitted to S2 saloon doors without changing the door skins) and also because of the wrong doors it therefore has the wrong mirror on the drivers door ( again an S2 saloon mirror, as the correct Trevi remote ones won't fit S2 saloon doors). It seems to be very low at the back, and the sills should be black, not body colour. Shame too that there aren't any interior pics. He is asking strong money for a Trevi, so it really would be nice if it was more original, like Theo's. Just doesn't sit quite right to me.

Andy


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 06 August, 2009, 09:30:40 AM
Have you noticed that it is fitted with Beta series 2 saloon doors...  So therefore it has the wrong handles

Yes, I too noticed the door handles were different to mine but don't know enough about Betas to realise they are S2 saloon doors and handles. Are the alloy wheels original Beta ones? They look like Fiat 132 Bellini wheels to me...  :-\


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Betaboy2.0 on 06 August, 2009, 11:44:13 AM
Yes - the alloys are the original Beta S3 saloon and early Trevi style. Later Trevi's went over to the Coupe / HPE style alloy.


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: DavidLaver on 06 August, 2009, 09:04:28 PM
Firstly thankyou for posting it here - am impressed with the sunvisor clip resto as I recently spent fourteen quid to get a sunvisor clip, in the wrong colour I may add, for our 1985 Merc 300 TE.  Little bits like that are such a battle, but make ALL the difference to the car.

Secondly I didn't realise a Trevi and Beta were so closely related that a door would fit.  Just HOW closely related are they?

David


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 06 August, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
A Trevi is a Beta with a boot. In fact in all countries other than the UK it was known as the Lancia Beta Trevi. In the UK, because of the bad publicity that the Betas had, it was decided to introduce the Trevi as a model in its own right. But essentially the Trevi is a Series 3 Beta Berlina with a boot. The two cars are the same up to the C-pillar. In fact the famous "Trevi Dash" was first used in the Series 3 Beta Berlina. If you look carefully at the rear of my Trevi you'll see it actually says "Lancia " and that's because the boot lid and badge strip was replaced with one from Holland.


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: DavidLaver on 07 August, 2009, 11:18:58 AM

Well the UK marketing department had ME fooled...   

Was there much change with the interiors or the suspension setup?

David

PS - you've made me notice pictures can be inline as well as attached, I'd never given the tool bar above the text window much of a look before.


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 07 August, 2009, 11:35:51 AM

Was there much change with the interiors or the suspension setup?


I believe no change at all with the interiors and suspension. As far as I know, the only difference is in the rear of the cars but as I keep saying I am not a Beta expert (yet  ;D). Internally, underneath and from the front end up to the C-pillars the Trevi and S3 Berlina are identical. After the C-pillar the Trevi has a boot while the Berlina slopes down like a hatchback.


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Betaboy2.0 on 07 August, 2009, 01:19:08 PM
Suspension, floor pan etc was identical between Beta 3 saloon and Trevi. In fact, if you remove the boot carpet in the Trevi, the saloon boot floor is clearly visible, complete with the mounting point for the boot catch. (whereas the Trevi boot catch is mounted on the rear panel higher up). Trevi was slightly longer than the Beta saloon (the different rear panel accounting for the difference) but had a slightly smaller useable boot.

The name Trevi is not taken from the famous fountains, but an amalgamation of the Italian words Tre (three) and Volumi (volumes) - ie a Beta 3 box saloon! Apparently it existed because of the European preference for 3 box saloons over fastback saloons .... Lancia also made a Gamma Trevi (and I don't mean the Scala) ...thankfully, it didn't see production - although argueably it was a more successful styling exercise than the Beta Trevi!!

Andy


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Betaboy2.0 on 07 August, 2009, 01:23:56 PM
.....and whilst I am in Beta 3  / Trevi mode, should we think not of the Trevi as a Beta 3 with a boot, but more of it as a Beta 3 without a fastback?

A


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: stuwilson128 on 07 August, 2009, 01:25:04 PM
Quote
The name Trevi is not taken from the famous fountains, but an amalgamation of the Italian words Tre (three) and Volumi (volumes) - ie a Beta 3 box saloon!

You are fountain of knowledge Andy.  I am sure that if there is anything that you don't know about the Beta and its variants then it is not worth knowing   ;)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 07 August, 2009, 01:32:51 PM

Lancia also made a Gamma Trevi ...thankfully, it didn't see production -


I very much like the Gamma "Trevi" (Elaborazione 3V to give it its proper name)  :-*  In fact I'd like to have it if it ever comes up for sale  ;) ;D

Here's some photos:

(http://www.gamma.fslife.co.uk/Pictures/p066.jpg)

(http://www.gamma.fslife.co.uk/Pictures/p062.jpg)

(http://www.gamma.fslife.co.uk/Pictures/p067.jpg)



Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: A1.6HPE on 13 August, 2009, 07:48:08 PM
Hello Theo,
Is the Trevi your daily driver?
I have owned 3 and love 'em to bits. You will not bore me with a running commentary. A Trevi has real road "presence". Until a year and bit ago, my daily transport was a car just like yours. With much regret I stopped using it but cannot bear to part with it. My first was a gold car in 1986 which I believe was the last one imported to the UK. It had the rear pillar trim with vertical slots. The only thing I don't like is the rather large diameter steering wheel, a Beta VX leather one fits nicely. Of course the quirky bits appeal greatly, like the parking disc built into the sun visor and the pneumatically operated heater. The maroon one that is currently doing the rounds looks fabulous !

Take care of that Trevi !

Leo


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 19 August, 2009, 11:11:28 AM

Is the Trevi your daily driver?


Hello Leo, long time no hear! While not quite 'every day' driver the Trevi is certainly my 'most days' driver lately. Lovely car and hopefully it'll get even better with time  ;) :D


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 24 August, 2009, 10:00:03 PM
Sunday (23rd August) was the Trevi's first "official" outing at the 11th Cotswold Economy Drive. It was a great day and the car run faultlessly covering about 600 miles over the weekend - probably more miles than it covered in the last three years before my ownership  :o The only problem was the passenger side window which managed to go down about 1 inch at the first Control Point and then gave up  >:(  Luckily I managed to convince the window to close again before the end of the day and before the long drive back home. Team-Trevi did very badly at the Economy Drive coming in at number 35 out of 47 entries but I very much enjoyed driving the car for the whole weekend. It would appear that nobody has loved this Trevi having had 11 previous owners to me but I will certainly be giving it the TLC this car so much deserves.  :D 


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 24 October, 2009, 09:03:29 PM
Not a lot of new work to report on the Trevi although it has been getting a lot of use as a daily driver; it copes so well with London traffic jams  ;D

My first 'hate' of the car was the darkened rear lenses which I quickly replaced with originals but equally hateful to me were the (badly) colour coordinated mirrors. They should be black on the Trevi. Here's a 'before' photo.

(http://www.alkionides.org/Photos/Trevi/tf1.JPG)

I managed to get a replacement nearside mirror from Germany via ebay but by the time it got to me most of the innards were broken; was very good as a baby's rattle but not of much use as a Trevi mirror  :-[  I also managed to get another used nearside mirror so with the one off the car and the two used ones and plenty of araldite for the broken innards I set about making a good mirror.

The nearside mirror on the car seemed to be red originally and then sprayed silver but the final result was not good.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1060276s.jpg?t=1256417471)

To be able to spray the mirrors properly and also to repair the broken nearside replacement, the mirrors had to be taken apart completely.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1060274s.jpg?t=1256417613)

But I am very pleased with the final result and I think the car now looks much better with black mirrors.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/23-09-09_0838.jpg?t=1256417722)

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/23-09-09_0839.jpg?t=1256417773)

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1060230.jpg?t=1256418119)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 24 October, 2009, 09:32:35 PM
There are a lot of other things I should be doing to the Trevi like fitting the replacement rear strut inserts and eliminating the strange noises emanating from the rear suspension but it was more important to me to fit a new stereo  ;)  'Loose' rear suspension is not such a bother when stuck in a traffic jam in London so having good 'sounds' was higher on my priority list.  So I fitted a modern CD MP3 SD-card USB 'play anything' stereo. It even has built in bluetooth and A2DP streaming so it can stream music straight off my phone with no wires attached. But most important of all it's black with blue lighting to match the black interior of the Trevi and the blue seats  ;)  I had to make a new mounting panel/bezel to fit round the stereo and even though not perfect the result is not too bad I think.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1060260s.jpg?t=1256419160)

The original speakers in the Trevi are fitted to the front footwell pockets but even though I replaced them for modern two way speakers the sound wasn't very good. The car needed rear speakers but I didn't want ugly looking speaker grills on the rear shelf and I didn't want to cut holes in the door cards for speakers either. I like the 'minimalist' look of the Trevi's door cards and want to keep them that way. So I fitted speakers in the pre-cut speaker holes on the rear shelf but then I covered the whole rear shelf in blue acoustic speaker cloth. I am really pleased with the result; sounds great and you can't see the speakers.   ;D

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1060248s.jpg?t=1256419596)

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1060249s-1.jpg?t=1256419931)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: fay66 on 24 October, 2009, 11:16:45 PM
Looks great Theo, There just isn't another dash that looks as good as the Trevi's.
Rear parcel shelf looks good too, I hate to see speakers, and your material makes a really nice job.

I see you had to repair your mirrors with Araldite and although I have nothing against Araldite and have used it myself over the years,I think this is better by far; I was in my local motor factors a few weeks ago looking for a good superglue, instead he recommended Q-Bond which is supposedly new and a product I hadn't seen before, it comes with a superglue but it also comes with a black and a grey powder that you apply first, say to a crack with chips missing, then just drip the Q Bond onto the powder and in 10 seconds the repair is rock hard; I haven't used it yet but I was mightly impressed with a repair the factors did as a demonstration for me.
I've no connection whatsoever with the product, but over the years I can think of many applications I could have used it for, rather than throw components away and have to replace.
It's available on ebay as well as elsewhere but if your interested watch the variation in price, the kit I bought cost 12.99 but the same kit is available from this link http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Q-Bond-Super-Glue-and-Filling-Compond_W0QQitemZ330365627721QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Crafts_Cardmaking_Scrapbooking_Glue_Tape_EH?hash=item4ceb536d49
At about 1.50 cheaper.

Brian
8227 8)



Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 27 October, 2009, 07:15:09 AM
Does the Q Bond fix metal as well as plastic? I have a nice. but broken, early Beta door mirror to fix.

Neil


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: fay66 on 27 October, 2009, 11:00:05 AM
Hi Neil,
I haven't got around to using it myself yet but according to the box and the leaflet inside, yes, including cracks in carburettors, aluminum castings etc, heat resistant up to 180c and petrol and oil resistant, if it's half as good as the blurb says, it's well worth having, which is why bought it ;)


Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 11 November, 2009, 03:12:09 PM
I am after a radiator expansion tank for the Trevi. Looks like the one in the photo below. I presume it's the same as all Series 3 Betas and possibly earlier Betas too and I think it's the same for the Stratos! But can anybody tell me if these were fitted to other Lancias? And more importantly, can anyone tell me if it's possible to get new ones and where from?


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: St Volumex on 17 November, 2009, 08:47:21 AM
Does the Q Bond fix metal as well as plastic? I have a nice. but broken, early Beta door mirror to fix.

Neil

Hi Neil,

Q bond fixes metal and plastic, in fact, almost anything!

It's one of the best discoveries I've made during my many years of owning and maintaining Lancias.

But I'm not sure if it would be strong enough to fix a Beta door mirror.  I had one of these break too, and managed to find somebody to weld it, even though it's made of a horrible, pewter-type alloy.  ::)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 26 November, 2009, 07:21:12 PM
Yes the metal is very poor, albeit I recon that the insertion of a small bolt shaft plus a strong epoxy glue might do the trick.

Neil


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: St Volumex on 27 November, 2009, 06:32:54 AM
Neil,

If you're really stuck on glue  ;D, try JB Weld which I've used very successfully on Fulvia aluminium bits.

The problem is the Beta door mirror bracket acts as a cantilever, and the weight (moment) on it is actually quite considerable.  :o


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: fay66 on 27 November, 2009, 08:26:37 AM
Neil,

If you're really stuck on glue  ;D, try JB Weld which I've used very successfully on Fulvia aluminium bits.

The problem is the Beta door mirror bracket acts as a cantilever, and the weight (moment) on it is actually quite considerable.  :o
Guy,
I note on Amazon that there is a JB Weld That is pliable for 30 minutes & Takes 24 hours to Cure, and a JB Kwik Weld that is pliable for 4 minute & takes 4 hours to cure.
Which one did you use?

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: St Volumex on 27 November, 2009, 10:55:40 AM
Brian,

The 24 hour cure is the one.  :)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 05 July, 2010, 11:17:19 AM
I haven't reported on this for a long time and that's because nothing much happened with the Trevi other than trouble free motoring. The past year or so hasn't been good to me so I couldn't spend the time I would have liked on the Trevi. But last Saturday (03/07/2010) I took the Trevi for an MOT test, it's second during my ownership, and it passed with flying colours  :D And it seems I covered just over 8,000 miles during the year :o I didn't think I had used the Trevi that much in the last year but obviously the Trevi is so good both time and miles fly by while driving a Trevi!  ;D


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: fay66 on 05 July, 2010, 01:05:20 PM
I haven't reported on this for a long time and that's because nothing much happened with the Trevi other than trouble free motoring. The past year or so hasn't been good to me so I couldn't spend the time I would have liked on the Trevi. But last Saturday (03/07/2010) I took the Trevi for an MOT test, it's second during my ownership, and it passed with flying colours  :D And it seems I covered just over 8,000 miles during the year :o I didn't think I had used the Trevi that much in the last year but obviously the Trevi is so good both time and miles fly by while driving a Trevi!  ;D

Hi Theo,
pleased you got her through the MOT again, 8000 miles is pretty good going in anyones book for a classic!

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 31 October, 2011, 03:57:38 PM
I hadn't used the Trevi for a while so when I was visiting East Sussex last Saturday I thought it was a good excuse to give the Trevi a well deserved run. About 150 mile round trip and I enjoyed every inch of it  ;D I was simply reminded what a great car the Trevi is  ;)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 28 December, 2011, 09:24:33 AM
I've always had problems with the windscreen washers on the Trevi.  :-[  They didn't work at all when I first got the car so I replaced the washer pump. Halfords have a pump (meant for a Ford Escort I think) which is almost identical to the Trevi's except for the electrical connector which comes out of the top of the pump instead of the side. But it fits fine as long as the pump is fitted horizontally.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/sw/tsw0.jpg)

Even though the new pump is very powerful, I could not adjust the washer jets to clear the grill on the bonnet and wash the front windscreen; the water jet would either hit the plastic grill or washed the rear screen!  :-\  So I used a dremel to take off part of the plastic grill so the washer jets could be adjusted to wash the front screen.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/sw/tsw1.jpg)

But the washer nozzles kept moving and there was dirt inside them that kept blocking the holes. I could get the windscreen washers to work just long enough for the MOT test but whenever I needed to use them they refused to play ball. So replacement was the obvious solution but the Trevi washers (mounted on metal platforms) are very tall.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/sw/tsw2.jpg)

Short, standard  washers would never clear the plastic grill.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/sw/tsw3.jpg)

(Trevi washer on the left and new standard and much shorter washer on the right)

But with a plastic nut meant for number plates (which has the correct thread for the new washer) plus a plastic washer the new washer nozzle was extended to be as tall as the Trevi original.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/sw/tsw4.jpg)

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/sw/tsw5.jpg)

And it stands proud on the Trevi's washer platform  ;D

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/sw/tsw6.jpg)

Held tightly in place by the new and slightly thicker pipe.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/sw/tsw7.jpg)

It works great and I think it looks the part too  ;D

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/sw/tsw8.jpg)

(This is what happens when we have too much free time during the holidays! Some of us spend hours playing with windscreen washer nozzles....  ;D )


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: A1.6HPE on 06 January, 2012, 11:42:26 PM
Well done Theo,
Surprised though as never had a problem with the jets. Have seen the rotating effect on Montecarlo though (same jets).
I'm very jealous of you still having a Trevi.

Kind regards, Leo


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 08 January, 2012, 12:05:21 AM

I'm very jealous of you still having a Trevi.


Hello Leo. I hope to 'still' have a Trevi for many years to come  :-* ;) :D
I just need to find someone for some sympathetic (and not too expensive) restoration....


Title: Re: Getting ready for the Beta 40th birthday celebrations weekend
Post by: Thotos on 20 May, 2012, 10:40:33 PM
I should really title this Trying to get ready for the Beta 40th birthday celebrations weekend with the emphasis on 'trying'. I spent the day on the Trevi and feel I achieved little to nothing  :-[ I wanted to change the brake master cylinder but thought I'd loosen the bleed nipples first to be sure but after 3 days of applying lots of WD40 and using all the power I dared to release the nipples without snapping them off I gave up. So I still have 'Russian Roulette' brakes and don't know when they'll work or not  :o Only kidding  ;D they are not that bad but pedal travel varies a lot when applying the brakes. Seems worse when going slowly in reverse  :-\ ??? Makes no sense at all to me but I can only think that the problem is with the master cylinder. Maybe the bleed nipples will loosen before the weekend and I'll manage to change it...

But I did manage to eliminate some more squeaks and rattles especially the very annoying rattles from inside the rear passenger door and the even more annoying loud squeak when turning the steering wheel. Then I thought I'd do something simple and easy and washed the car  :D The wheels cleaned up well  :D shame about the rest of the car  :-[


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 21 May, 2012, 06:33:44 AM
The bleed nipples on the Beta brakes are a real pain, with the double problem of being too small and of poor material. Then there's two of them on each front caliper. You can get the bleed able banjo joints from Betaboyz which might be the way forward?


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 21 May, 2012, 10:14:08 AM
get the bleed able banjo joints from Betaboyz which might be the way forward?

Didn't/don't know about those but sound like a good idea! I'll have a look at the website....


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: lancialulu on 21 May, 2012, 10:59:20 AM
Its a race to get Rosie my Gamma bolted back in time for Saturday (doing the Beta tour) - might be in the Fulvia sport though..

Tim


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 03 June, 2013, 08:48:10 PM
Not so much "living" with the Trevi right now but restoring instead. So it'll have to be the Gamma or Fiat for Beta Meeta 13  :-\


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: DavidLaver on 03 June, 2013, 09:13:28 PM

You've done the miles to KNOW its worth doing properly.  Good luck with it, and keep posting the photos please.

David


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: St Volumex on 04 June, 2013, 09:03:45 AM
Theo, your Trevi tribulations made me smile - typical of trying to live with any 'historic vehicle'.  I know whereof you speak.  ;D

You may want to check the vacuum pipe from the intake manifold to the brake servo, which can sometimes crack.  ???


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 04 June, 2013, 09:54:32 AM
You may want to check the vacuum pipe from the intake manifold to the brake servo, which can sometimes crack.  ???

Yes the pipe was old and cracking and was replaced ages ago.
The brake problem was due to the master cylinder which I replaced a year ago before the MOT. And I used time and gravity to bleed the system!  ;) I replaced the master cylinder, used a piece of wood and a brick to keep the brake pedal pressed all the way down and walked away for a week and when I got back in the car the brakes worked perfectly with a lovely solid feel to the pedal  :D ;D


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: St Volumex on 04 June, 2013, 10:44:15 AM
Archimedes would be proud of you Theo!  ;D


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 04 June, 2013, 11:13:41 AM
 ;) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: lancialulu on 04 June, 2013, 11:37:49 AM
How did the brake fluid stay in the master cylinder and not all over the floor. A Fulvia takes c 1 day by gravity.....to lose all its fluid >:(


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 04 June, 2013, 12:30:20 PM
How did the brake fluid stay in the master cylinder and not all over the floor. A Fulvia takes c 1 day by gravity.....to lose all its fluid >:(

Well, that just shows how good a car the Trevi is!  ;D ;D

Incidentally, the Trevi has the same master cylinder as a Gamma which costs about four times as any other master cylinder  :-[ Certainly four times as much as a Fiat 131 master cylinder  :-\


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 02 July, 2013, 10:56:04 AM
Nearly there  :D The bottom of the doors needed quite a bit of reconstruction  :-\  but it's all done now  :D and there's paint which actually shines on the car  ;D  Just needs to be put back together and then it's up to me to sort out the interior .....

(http://www.betaboyz.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395.0;attach=1671;image)

(http://www.betaboyz.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395.0;attach=1672;image)



Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: DavidLaver on 02 July, 2013, 11:52:19 AM

Reading back I saw the expansion tank.  Any luck sourcing better?

I recently cleaned a similar one up for a Fiat Strada with a brush backed sander and was able to cut through the impregnated dirt to a clean surface below and get a pleasing satin finish.  There's enough control to leave text and other detail in place.  A brush backed sander is quite an exotic thing (I had it for woodworking) but a similar tool is a webrax flap wheel like this:

http://www.abtec4abrasives.com/flexclean-flap-wheels-spindle-mounted-129-c.asp

David


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 03 July, 2013, 09:44:02 AM

Reading back I saw the expansion tank.  Any luck sourcing better?


I managed to get a good used one.
The problem wasn't dirt (the picture of the dirty one was one I found for sale on ebay) but leaking due to cracking. Apparently it's a common problem with these; they crack round the central 'support' and it's impossible to glue them effectively. 


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: DavidLaver on 03 July, 2013, 10:43:55 AM

Would have been a shame to have to go all tig-welded ali and blue hoses under there.  Perhaps strip lights down each side of the engine to show it all off as well :)

David


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 03 July, 2013, 11:44:48 AM
Getting there ...  :D

(http://www.betaboyz.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395.0;attach=1673;image)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: simonandjuliet on 03 July, 2013, 02:05:51 PM
Looking nice ! There can't be too many left in the UK ?

We had a couple of Trevis and I loved the dash .......


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 09 July, 2013, 09:39:15 AM
Nearly there...   ;D

New windscreen (the last one in the country apparently!) was fitted last Friday and only finishing touches left now  :D
Should be coming back home on Friday  :D

(http://www.betaboyz.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395.0;attach=1679;image)

(http://www.betaboyz.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395.0;attach=1680;image)



Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: DavidLaver on 09 July, 2013, 09:41:57 AM

With a top tint no less!!

Now what's the car in the background...

David


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 09 July, 2013, 09:42:35 AM
There can't be too many left in the UK ?

Four of them in the UK of which two are in regular-ish use and only one, mine  ;)  is an automatic. But with over 60,000 miles on the clock I'm not sure how long the automatic gearbox will last, they're only good for 60,000 miles apparently  :-\


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 09 July, 2013, 09:45:45 AM

Now what's the car in the background...


I suppose you don't mean the Mini behind the Trevi so you must be wondering about the Armstrong Siddeley to the left. It seems TRJ like to restore the most obscure cars around  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 09 July, 2013, 09:49:45 AM

Now what's the car in the background...


I suppose you don't mean the Mini behind the Trevi so you must be wondering about the Armstrong Siddeley to the left. It seems TRJ like to restore the most obscure cars around  ;D ;D

PS did you notice the Beta Coupe hiding behind the toolbox to the right?   ;)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 13 July, 2013, 01:37:13 AM
The Trevi was collected today and it's back home now   :D I'm very pleased with the end result  ;D TRJ cars understood very well what I wanted. I wasn't after a full nut-and-bolt restoration as there wasn't the budget for it. But I also didn't want to cut corners. I'm especially pleased with the C-Pillar badge plates for which I spent quite some time choosing the 'right' dark grey colour. I decided a grey with a hint of blue would look nice and chose a Mercedes colour. The garage had new "TREVI" transfers made locally in silver and they managed to match the original font exactly   ;) A couple of phone photos and I'll post better ones once I give the car a good polish  ;)

(http://www.betaboyz.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395.0;attach=1683;image)

(http://www.betaboyz.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=395.0;attach=1684;image)




Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: St Volumex on 13 July, 2013, 06:02:37 AM
So wonderful that you are preserving a rarity that most toffee noses wouldn't give a second chance...  :(

Well done!  :)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: DavidLaver on 13 July, 2013, 04:45:21 PM
Looks great.   I'm looking forward to more "running reports" and photos of it all over everywhere.

Something I hadn't noticed before - what are those stripes on the boot lid?

David


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 14 July, 2013, 11:10:48 AM

.... what are those stripes on the boot lid?


The Trevi is wearing its city-gent pinstripe suit  ;D ;D ;D
As this is a series 1 Trevi, it has the aluminium panel on the edge of the bootlid  (series 2 Trevi's didn't have this). Here's a close-up photo of my Trevi's rear end  ;) (photo taken at Betameeta12 in Norfolk).


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: DavidLaver on 14 July, 2013, 09:29:13 PM

Its going to take a careful photo to show aluminium against silver...  Got a shot of a car in a different colour?

David


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 14 July, 2013, 10:30:30 PM

Its going to take a careful photo to show aluminium against silver...  Got a shot of a car in a different colour?

David

I thought my photo above showed it quite well  :-\
Here's one I found on the internet of the rear of a series 1 Trevi in a darker colour:

(http://blog.lancia-beta.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/lancia_trevi_800x599.jpg)






Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: DavidLaver on 15 July, 2013, 11:57:50 AM

The problem is as much my eyesight - I'm still sulking at needing reading specs...

Thank you for the second photo - not sure what's going on but I find the first one makes more sense having seen the second.

David


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: sparehead3 on 15 July, 2013, 03:49:07 PM
David,
I thought I saw stripes - and like you I've just had to start wearing glasses :(


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 15 July, 2013, 04:12:07 PM
David,
I thought I saw stripes - and like you I've just had to start wearing glasses :(

I need to wear glasses too  >:( and I can also see the stripes  8) which are from the plastic backing and shadow from the strong sun on the day  8) Plus the photo was taken on my phone so it's not very good  :-\


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 16 July, 2013, 12:12:13 AM
The blue cloth interior in my Trevi was showing its age as it was very faded and the front seats were worn with a bad repair to the passenger seat. I managed to get a pair of front seats a couple of years ago but they were in beige cloth.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1120813_zps9eaf0dec.jpg?t=1373927600)

My plan was always to change their colour to blue. Originally I was planning to strip off the covers and put them in the washing machine with some blue Dylon dye. But taking all the covers off car seats without damaging them is not easy and getting them back on properly even less easy. Then I came across a spray upholstery paint (http://www.simplyspray.com/product/simply-spray-upholstery-fabric-paint/ (http://www.simplyspray.com/product/simply-spray-upholstery-fabric-paint/)) So, armed with six cans of Royal Blue upholstery paint I set off to change the beige seats to blue seats  ;D

First thing was to disassemble the seats.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1120817_zps82697cc1.jpg?t=1373927730)

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1120819_zps9d3947ec.jpg?t=1373927778)

And then the beige seat bottom was changed to blue  ;)

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1120821_zps1e8b1f1c.jpg?t=1373927802)

As the first coat of upholstery paint had to be left overnight to both dry and to be absorbed into the fabric, I turned my attention to refreshing the rear seat by giving it a coat of navy blue paint.

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1120822_zps29885e1c.jpg?t=1373927808)

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1120823_zps2f687f5e.jpg?t=1373927862)

I think it looks quite good in the car  ;D (the photo doesn't really do it justice as the light was failing and I used the flash  :-\)

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1120828_zps9094c13f.jpg?t=1373927958)

The beige seat bottoms were given their second coat today and seem to be getting there  :D

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/P1120837_zps3c6654a8.jpg?t=1373927024)

While not perfect, they are a million miles better than the current front seats in my Trevi. I haven't done anything with the front seat backs and I've run out of paint  :-[  I've ordered a few more cans of the paint today so hopefully in  few days I'll get back to trying to revitalise my Trevi's interior  ;D



Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: DavidLaver on 16 July, 2013, 08:21:44 AM

That works!!   How much of the garden is now in a matching shade...?

David


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: St Volumex on 16 July, 2013, 11:04:58 AM
Looks very good!  :)

(I heard The Strypes!  ;D )


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 16 July, 2013, 11:19:50 AM

How much of the garden is now in a matching shade...?


Actually, I should have painted the seats green as the grass seems to need a bit of colour back in it  ;D
But I was painting on the patio with the seats on my workbench and even though I put a large drop sheet on it, there's a patch of blueness on the patio which I hope will come off with the pressure washer .....  :-\


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Charles on 16 July, 2013, 12:28:38 PM
They look really good Theo - I hope that you have plenty of pairs of blue trousers - or perhaps you soon will!!


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 16 July, 2013, 01:26:23 PM
I hope that you have plenty of pairs of blue trousers - or perhaps you soon will!!

It's blue jeans only in the Trevi from now on....  ;D


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 04 August, 2013, 12:18:51 AM
One fully reassembled and blue Trevi seat  :D ;)

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/WP_000313_zps2cd4b38f.jpg?t=1375574868)

Makes a single seater Trevi  ;D

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/WP_000314_zpscf0a91d4.jpg?t=1375574884)

But I didn't think there's much call for a single seater Trevi so the passenger seat went in too

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/WP_000317_zpse7135e9e.jpg?t=1375574916)

and the Trevi is a full 4/5 seater again

(http://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy292/Thotos/Trevi/WP_000318_zpsb68de117.jpg?t=1375574882)



Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: fay66 on 04 August, 2013, 12:57:54 AM
Job well done Theo, looks real good.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: St Volumex on 05 August, 2013, 08:26:24 AM
Congratulations & well done as usual! (y)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 22 August, 2013, 07:48:21 PM
The Trevi passed the MOT test today with flying colours and no advisories. So in celebration I went to Sainsbury's for the weekly shopping  ;D


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: lancialulu on 22 August, 2013, 07:54:13 PM
Excellent. No doubt you were too busy fettling to spare time to trek out to Matching Green last night  ;D

Tim


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: A1.6HPE on 23 August, 2013, 06:18:26 PM
An awesome motor car.
Well done Theo.



Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 23 August, 2013, 07:26:45 PM
Excellent. No doubt you were too busy fettling to spare time to trek out to Matching Green last night  ;D

Tim

I was going to come to Matching Green in the Gamma as I got away early from work but as I wasn't sure it was on I decided to have a quiet time home alone  :-\ But I did go out in the middle of the night in light rain to adjust the Trevi's headlamps  ;D

An awesome motor car.
Well done Theo.

Another one who likes Trevis? Let's start a club  :D ;D Thanks for the kind words  ;)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: 038tipo on 27 August, 2013, 01:08:08 PM
Theo.
Have seen an ad in an Italian mag for a trevi volume for sale for Eur 2,000 if you know anyone?
Regards,
Paul


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 27 August, 2013, 11:54:36 PM
Unfortunately not many people like Trevis  :-\  so I don't know anyone specifically that might be interested. I won't ask for more details as I'm not good at resisting temptation ....  :-[


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: 038tipo on 28 August, 2013, 10:07:44 AM
ok I understand...


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Jai Sharma on 28 August, 2013, 09:17:51 PM
Congratulations Theo. Brings back memories of a Trevi in the same colour I borrowed from a friend on a couple of weeks car exchange, many moons ago.


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: St Volumex on 28 October, 2013, 07:26:19 AM
Unusually the pics don't do it justice - nice to see it in the flesh yesterday - very well done!


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 28 October, 2013, 11:08:10 PM
The Trevi and I thank you for the complement  ;) :D

The 'new' (used but supposedly refurbished) headlamps arrived today so the Trevi should have a brighter face soon  ;D

Also below is a recent photo from Goodwood's Breakfast Club Italian Car Sunday.


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 19 November, 2013, 01:12:04 AM
Displayed with all its new-found shiny glory at the 2013 NEC Classic Motorshow  :D


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: fay66 on 19 November, 2013, 04:20:27 PM
Displayed with all its new-found shiny glory at the 2013 NEC Classic Motorshow  :D

She looked magnificent Theo. ;D

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: lancialulu on 25 January, 2014, 05:46:47 PM
Prices are good too!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1982-Lancia-Trevi-2-0-Saloon-4-Door-Very-Rare-Private-Sale-07929-524122-/271334328812?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3f2cc949ec



Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 25 January, 2014, 07:00:36 PM

She looked magnificent Theo. ;D


Both the Trevi and I thank you for your kind comments  ;) :D


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: Thotos on 25 January, 2014, 07:02:51 PM
Prices are good too!!

That's been for sale at that high price for a very long time  :-\


Title: Re: Living with a Trevi
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 26 January, 2014, 09:49:10 AM
Prices are good too!!

That's been for sale at that high price for a very long time  :-\

Over two years I think. I presume it belongs to one of the staff at Walkers?