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Model Technical and Interest => Dedra, Thema and Delta (2nd series) => Topic started by: Kevinlincs on 19 March, 2021, 10:54:37 PM



Title: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 19 March, 2021, 10:54:37 PM
I had a Dedra as a daily driver when the kids were little, (well I had two in actual fact, a lovely white 1.8 followed by a red turbo, now owned by my friend Jim) but as that was almost 20 years ago I have been hankering after one for a year or two now.
I did go down into Norfolk last year to see a pretty rough and tired one, that was February 2020 BC (before covid) and since then prices seem to have grown twofold at least, but I have still managed to stumble across what I feel is a good valued investment. Not that I have bought it as an investment, but one to make great again.

I haven't yet had chance to look under it but how bad can it be? Well, a 31 year old (how is it 31 years old!) Lancia must surely hold a surprise or two. Time will tell. Looking though the history I have on it there are a few welding repair invoices from Zagato Lancia, hardly a surprise really.
The rear bumper mounts will need work, the drivers side is pretty much non-existent so I fully expect that once the bumper is removed there will be plenty of metal needing replacing. The N/S arch already has holes so the water will have been getting in causing havoc. The outer sills have recently been patched up, I will try and find new replacement panels but suspect they will be near impossible to find.

Mechanically it seems OK, has been running recently but are a few immediate jobs to tackle before a proper assessment can be made not least a  fuel leak from the pressure regulator! The starter motor also needs an overhaul, cambelt & balance belt change well overdue but I want to make an assessment on engine condition first, just incase it all needs a stripdown refresh. Showing 90k on the clock which seems to be backed up by the history and MoT's so is probably genuine.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 19 March, 2021, 11:05:10 PM
The interior has, or had as it has been replaced with blue Alcantara, an unusual set of half Alcantara with a fabric middle.
Does anyone know what the name of this material is as I'd like to try and find some to get the fronts retrimmed so I can install the original set.

The previous owner actually stumbled across a Dedra in a local scrapyard so grabbed what he could, including this blue Alcantara trim, just a shame that there is a hole in the rear seat base, the fronts look like they'd clean up very nicely.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 19 March, 2021, 11:12:42 PM
It's an SE model, has the electronic suspension but again, I haven't had chance to check if the struts are still the originals or if they've been changed for conventional ones. Does anyone know if the electronic ones are available anywhere still? I will add it to the growing list of things to check...

I'd welcome any information on the car, even just thoughts about them. I personally find them a great car, a "sleeper" as they say.
Looking forward to making a start on this one. Maybe even at the expense of the Flavia coupe..

Car all safely stored away for now, 4 Lancia in the same shed, and another at home... No, that's not excessive!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: SanRemo78 on 20 March, 2021, 09:19:36 AM
Fantastic - just as we were beginning to get withdrawal symptoms now that the Y10 is finished!

Good luck with restoration! Have you seen the £7000 1 owner 24,000 car on eBay?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-Dedra-1-8ie-1990-1-Owner-24k-Miles-MOT-October-2021/154338720454?hash=item23ef4dfac6:g:RQwAAOSw5J5gSxTT

Unfortunately not a turbo!

Guy


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 20 March, 2021, 09:35:36 AM
Hi Guy, yes I did notice that Dedra 1.8 on eBay. Does look lovely, apart from the wheels. Mileage and condition look great, hope it does achieve decent money, about time Lancia got some mainstream recognition.

And yes, a build thread will start!  ;D I'm hoping it won't be as extensive a build as the Y10 but it won't have anything left to chance, time will tell how far the build goes once I get going.... ::)
Won't be for a month or two and won't be done in such quick order, unless we go into "lockdown" again and I get a few months up at the unit.

Body up top is pretty decent, faded paint of course but that will all get redone, but no real rusty patches aside from the aforementioned rear arch/bumper sections. Sills I fear will need cutting out so more than likely (well let's be honest 100% likely) that the floor lip will be far from useable, needs to be all cut out rather than patched so as not to return to it later on.
Looking forward to starting this one, despite saying I'd not do any this year! ;D


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: frankxhv773t on 20 March, 2021, 09:59:26 AM
Thema Dedra Consortium and Brian Hilton (Dedra Advisor) are your essential wing men on this project.

My 1991 brochures specify full alcantara as standard trim for Dedra Turbo but in grey rather than blue on a red car. I have a feeling that half alcantara was a feature of late series cars.

I'm fairly sure I have a spare pair of "non wiper" headlights if you want to convert. The wiper system is a poor design because the wiper spindle goes straight into the gear box onto the last gear in the gear train. Water getting past the seal on the spindle collects in the gear box and rusts the steel gear wheels into one solid lump.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 20 March, 2021, 10:37:26 PM
Joining the TDC is a priority.
Had a quick look in the wheelarches tonight, car is much better than I thought, so far at least...
Took the front wheel arch liners out expecting to see rot at the bottom of the fottwells but all looked great. Of course the bottom of the outriggers that go down to the lower bumper mounts are rotten, they always seem to be that way on all the ones I've seen, Lancia or Alfa 145/155.

Great news though is that the electronic suspension struts are still present, albeit the drivers wiring connector is broken but new junctions are readily available to be soldered in place.

Passenger front...


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 20 March, 2021, 10:38:37 PM
Drivers front...


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 20 March, 2021, 10:41:20 PM
Passenger rear outer arch will no doubt require a fair bit of reconstruction, already had some repairs to the forward section where they rot so not all bad..


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 20 March, 2021, 10:44:02 PM
Drivers side rear bumper forward mount is pretty much non existant, which I knew about. I expect to repair all the way around behind the bumper along the boot floor, right from one side to the other.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 20 March, 2021, 10:52:47 PM
I've a small job to do on the integrale first so it will be a few weeks before I get started, but itching to get on with the car now.
It will get the rear bumper removed, back axle dropped out as that makes repairs easier then I'll assess what to do with the sills etc.
Car will need to be stripped back enough for a glass out paint job, I try and avoid masking out glass etc if I can.
Mechanically it seems decent enough. Needs belts doing, tappet shims ill check as a couple sound a little wide of gap and the top cam box covers are damp at the gaskets so all just regular maintenance really.

One bonus though is the intake pipe that snakes around the battery tray, it was covered in grey tank tape which I presumed to mean it had splits in it. New ones seem unobtainable as are substantially different to Integrale ones, down to finding a used one I assume. Decided I'd take all the grey tape off, see if a repair could be done. To my great surprise it seems the tape was applied as a protective means, the pipe is like new! I can only assume the original must have failed and the replacement OE one to have been that expensive the tape was applied to protect the new one from chafing, not a bad idea if a little unsightly!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: fay66 on 21 March, 2021, 10:37:49 AM
Kevin,
 if you need anything regarding Dedra  I have quite a lot collected over the years, including the body section of the manual.
Keep your fingers crossed the electronic shockers are ok, I had them on my first Dedra 2.0iese and at the time they were £350 a corner.
They had a normal and sport setting, that I always thought of as hard, and harder still!
As you intend taking the glass out it doesn't matter, but according to the manual you have to remove the rear windscreen to remove the rear wings, not true, years ago a friend and fellow member Chris Catlow did it without doing so.
Brian
8227 8)
 


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: frankxhv773t on 21 March, 2021, 12:56:39 PM
Like Brian I think the electronic dampers were a bit of a gimmick. If they don't work then replacement with standard is the simple solution.

Here are pictures of a removed rear wing. It's going to make repairing the rear arch rust much easier and similarly removal of the rear screen.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 21 March, 2021, 06:47:46 PM
Cheers chaps, I'm sure I'll be calling for assistance in the near future.
As for the shocks, and how functional they are time will tell. The drivers front one has a broken wire at the connection which I will renew, but until I have done the cambelt & balance belts I won't be running the car long enough to check, no idea if the belts have been done since the last documented change, and that was over 10 years ago!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: fay66 on 21 March, 2021, 07:40:26 PM
Cheers chaps, I'm sure I'll be calling for assistance in the near future.
As for the shocks, and how functional they are time will tell. The drivers front one has a broken wire at the connection which I will renew, but until I have done the cambelt & balance belts I won't be running the car long enough to check, no idea if the belts have been done since the last documented change, and that was over 10 years ago!
Quite agree with you, belts are a must every 3 years or 36,000 miles, despite what the service schedule says, but don't forget to change the tensioner and bearings as well, its also worth changing the other belts while you have it apart, rather than having to have to do most of the work again if an ancillary belt goes.
I assume you're including the Counter balance belt as well, and after all this time a water pump wouldn't go amiss ether!
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 21 March, 2021, 09:25:46 PM
There is a receipt for the water pump and rear metal water rail at about the same time, so I'll see how the pump feels.
Balance belt, tensioner and idler bearings, aux belts etc will all be changed.
I'll be placing an order soon, once parked up I can take the cam covers off and check what tappet shims I need so it's all done in one order.
A bit of a service too, but I will leave that until it's welded and painted, making the engine safe to start up is the priority, how galling would it be for the belt to fail whilst moving it around the yard! :(


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 25 March, 2021, 09:48:45 PM
Saw these online in Italy, couldn't resist even though I could have repaired the ones on the car, but original Fiat /Lancia panels that I can spot weld in place will make for a nice repair. Even if they are completely hidden!
Front bumper mounts, if anyone is wondering. Mine are rotten on the bottom, as all seem to be.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 25 March, 2021, 09:50:00 PM
They stretch all the way up to the wing mounts.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: lancianut666 on 26 March, 2021, 03:52:34 PM
Nice sourcing of parts  :D


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 10 April, 2021, 09:47:42 PM
Car now at top of the "to do" list so has made its way to the little unit ready to be stripped down soon.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 10 April, 2021, 09:56:19 PM
Before going into the little unit the delta came out having had a couple of minor issues attended to, the Dedra actually has the same paint code as my integrale, guess it's not that unusual given they were made about a year apart.

Had to get the starter motor overhauled first though, it was incredibly worn, almost too worn but like triggers new broom it's nice to keep the original parts!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 April, 2021, 02:55:26 PM
I've brought the original seats home, well at least I was told they were the originals although I am not sure as these are not heated, which I thought they should be?
The outer sections are the regular grey alcantara but the centre, worn out sections are regular seat material.
If these are the originals then I'd like to get them refurbished, so does anyone know the material is called no help my search?


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 April, 2021, 03:01:51 PM
The rear seats are in decent order for comparison, could be useful for finding the right material.
The red and blue stripes within are of varying thickness which complicates things..

The lockable backrests fit the keys with the car, so are they the right ones? Or is it just that any key will fit... Guess I ought to try that, I have a few Lancia keys knocking about. If other keys fit that will say it's still in doubt these are original to the car, if they don't then it's more likely to confirm they are the originals...


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 April, 2021, 03:45:55 PM
Tried 3 different sets of Lancia keys in the seat backs, none of them fit. So that points towards these being original to the car...


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: frankxhv773t on 11 April, 2021, 05:39:59 PM
Specifications on trim and equipment are a  deep realm of mystery. My 1990 and 1991 brochures suggest a turbo should have had full Alcantara and the half Alcantara was a mainland Europe specification. Electrically heated and adjustable seats were only ever an optional extra and even then only listed for 2.0 litre SE models and Turbos.

The top optional extra was full leather so if you have to reupholster you could always take out a second mortgage....


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 April, 2021, 05:45:34 PM
 :D Yes the leather option would be expensive wouldn't it. And to be honest I don't really like leather for car seats, too cold in winter and burns you in summer!
Guess the material for the integrale seats wild be an option.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: lancianut666 on 11 April, 2021, 07:14:55 PM
Judging by the wear on the fabric compared to the wear on the Alcantara I'd be tempted to recover them in Alacantara if affordable...my Turbo was as Frank has said all Alcantara with heated seats I think...The 1.8 I had was also Alcantara but the previous owner had kept his pet raccoons in the car so they were a mess.
Clarkey


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 April, 2021, 08:12:46 PM
Replacing the centre panels with new grey alcantara is a thought, but maybe it would make the rest of the seats look shaby, food for thought though.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: fay66 on 11 April, 2021, 08:39:54 PM
Replacing the centre panels with new grey alcantara is a thought, but maybe it would make the rest of the seats look shaby, food for thought though.
Can't remember ever seeing a Dedra Turbo with cloth seats, as Frank said,  Alcantara or leather option, last turbos were all leather with a fixed rear seat.
Normally only 1.6 and 1.8 had cloth, although the 1.8 had the option of Alcantara.
I reckon Alcantara is one of the best seating material there is.
Cloth in Dedra and Thema had a nasty habit of shredding, similar to your photo.
I had a complete spare interior in Alcantara, and a 1.8 Dedra owner bought the lot and ditched the cloth, which was in a terrible condition.
Something that works well as far as wearability is concerned is the seat cheeks in leather, and alcantara for the main seating areas.
Alcantara does wear on the cheeks, going into holes.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 April, 2021, 08:52:18 PM
Wonder if black alcantara would look OK against the grey, replace all the central sections...
Or just get the whole seats done in new grey.
I ought to check the door cards too before making decisions.

https://www.classiccarservices.co.uk/shop/materials/black-alcantara-1-detail


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 April, 2021, 08:53:53 PM
Charcoal..

https://www.classiccarservices.co.uk/shop/materials/charcoal-alcantara-6422-1-detail


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: fay66 on 11 April, 2021, 09:09:52 PM
Charcoal..

https://www.classiccarservices.co.uk/shop/materials/charcoal-alcantara-6422-1-detail
For what ts worth I  think it would look better in Charcoal or grey,
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: frankxhv773t on 12 April, 2021, 08:38:34 AM
I'd talk to TDC about what seats or covers they may have.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 12 April, 2021, 06:01:33 PM
Yes, I've been in touch with the TDC and will be joining at months end when subs start again.
Another thought occurred to me today, the replacement set that is now in the car are of a blue tinged full alcantara with just a minor repair to the rear seat base needed.
And on looking at a picture they are the heated ones, so that may be a answer.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: frankxhv773t on 12 April, 2021, 06:36:02 PM
I'd stick with that set of seats. It's interesting they are heated but not electrically adjustable but as I said before, trim and equipment specifications are a dark mystery to me.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 12 April, 2021, 09:38:31 PM
My old Dedra turbo, now my friend Jims' car as pictured earlier, had the grey alcantara with heated seats but manual movement, didn't even know electric adjustment was an option!
As you say Frank, so many permutations...

Yes, this set could be a simpler option.
I'll have another look on Wednesday.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: rikardo on 17 April, 2021, 11:38:48 AM
Here (I hope) is a photo of the full grey Alcantara interior in the front of my - previously Chris Hopkins - 1993 Dedra integrale (the "Preview" function on here doesnt show the photo, should it?). The Drivers seat outer bolster isnt quite as worn as it looks, honest ;D. The front seats are entirely manual in adjustment and there is no heat function. They appear similar in appearance to Delta integrale pre-cat Evo seats.
The integrale shares many components with the Turbo, but as Im sure you know the 'grale version was never officially imported to the UK and is LHD only, although that didnt stop the Delta integrale of course!

I would defintely recommend joining the TDC. I now have to acquire RHD headlight units (no wiper-arms on mine) as I dont think Ill get the car through another MoT with the LHD units still fitted.

Brian. When next we meet up (AGM weekend?) I will return the Manuals you kindly lent me. Unfortunately I never got the chance to scan them electronically, the workplace where I could have got this done terminated my Contract shortly afterwards :( and I dont have/own a scanner.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: rikardo on 17 April, 2021, 11:40:19 AM
Hoo-rah! It worked!
Heres the rear seats....


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: frankxhv773t on 17 April, 2021, 07:37:10 PM
Headlights are another realm of complication, LHD or RHD, wiper or non wiper, self levelling or non self levelling. so many choices.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: fay66 on 17 April, 2021, 09:00:51 PM
Headlights are another realm of complication, LHD or RHD, wiper or non wiper, self levelling or non self levelling. so many choices.
My 1990 20iese had electric windows all round.
Remote central locking.
Electronic suspension with normal and sports setting.
4 channel Abs.
Electronic heating control, not Airton, air con was never an option in the UK.
Electric sunroof.
Headlamp wash wipers..
But manual seat adjustment!
My 1994 Dedra LS had high pressure headlamp wash.
But no central locking.

My 1993 2.0ie was the only Dedra that had a fixed rear seat ,as  locking folding rear seat, an option was standard to UK cars.
As we said UK cars were a real mix of specifications!
Richard, I'm getting real forgetful in my old age as I can't find the rest of my manuals, I had a tidy up but I cant find them, despite there being at least 5 large manuals.
You have the most important one for your integrale, I can always send you a copy of anything else you need, I already have a lot of sections downloaded to my pc, everytime I used to download sections and send them to owners over the years, I always saved them onto my PC as well.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 17 April, 2021, 09:33:32 PM
Appreciate all the comments guys, and pictures of the seats. They are different again to what was on my old turbo, so they could well be integrale specific? I'll pop down to see Jim who now owns my old car to have a look, I also need to refresh myself over a few details anyway.  8)


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 17 April, 2021, 09:46:02 PM
This afternoon I got chance to get the car up on the stands to have a better look at things.
I fully expected to have to drop the fuel tank and back axle out as the rot would be easier to sort.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 17 April, 2021, 09:51:45 PM
I've got the wheels on the wooden stands as the rear jacking points both need sorting out, I also wondered if the sills would need cutting away but they look better than anticipated so far...

The jacking point on the drivers side has been repaired recently by someone but I'm not keen on it so will cut it out and redo it.
The passenger side looked crusty and weak, which was no surprise that the axle stand adapter went up into the rust with a crunch!  ;D


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 17 April, 2021, 09:58:40 PM
Plan is to sort out the jacking points first so I can reposition the axle stands to enable the wheels to come off.

With the bumper removed I expected to see rust all along the back edge, but pleasantly surprised to see it all in great condition, outside and within the boot space box section.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 17 April, 2021, 10:01:46 PM
Drivers side bumper side mount I knew to be all but missing, amazingly it seems to be confined to that small area


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 17 April, 2021, 10:03:55 PM
Passenger side is much worse but still marginally better than I thought it may be.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 17 April, 2021, 10:05:45 PM
Section underneath will get cut out back to the chassis rail, its been patched up before so needs tidying better.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 17 April, 2021, 10:08:13 PM
Overall it looks good, not as bad as I thought it would be so that is a nice surprise, almost never is there less rust than you fear..... he says tempting fate...  :o
A bit in the seam near the seat belt mount so areas like this will get properly inspected.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: fay66 on 18 April, 2021, 05:28:03 AM
Overall it looks good, not as bad as I thought it would be so that is a nice surprise, almost never is there less rust than you fear..... he says tempting fate...  :o
A bit in the seam near the seat belt mount so areas like this will get properly inspected.
Kevin might be worth seeing if you can check if your turbo had a recall about fumes getting back inside , something to do with the vent shown just behind the rear wheel.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: frankxhv773t on 18 April, 2021, 09:08:15 AM
I think when it comes to Dedras the galvanising helps. I'll be watching with interests / trepidation as my Dedra is up for a sort out this year and I know there is one rust hole on the nearside sill.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 18 April, 2021, 12:07:16 PM
The first of what will likely become many requests for spares, so I'll start with a long shot...
The electric aerial doesn't raise or lower under power but can be pulled up and down manually, which no doubt would drop down if tried to be used in that way.
On connecting a battery to the wires the motor whirrs away merrily, so with the mast being smooth and free that seemed odd.
On taking the mechanism apart it became apparent that someone had been in before and that not all pieces had gone back in! Or possibly a worn piece got discarded.

As all seems functional it is a shame to throw it away, so does anyone happen to have an aerial that maybe has a siezed motor or broken mast that may contain the gear that I need?
As I said, a long shot...
It's a small gear that links between the spiral gear on the motor spindle with the white plastic gears that move the long plastic raising gears.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: frankxhv773t on 18 April, 2021, 09:02:36 PM
It seems a funny thing to do if everything else was OK. The flexi track that goes up inside the aerial looks as though it could have been worn away at the bottom. Could the gear wheel have been taken out to isolate the motor and allow manual operation because the mechanism was worn out?


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: lancianut666 on 19 April, 2021, 09:46:52 AM
Or some clot dropped the gear wheel and lost it...mind the toothed strip does look worn at that end.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: mikeC on 22 April, 2021, 07:22:20 AM
That is probably a very easy fix for someone with 3-D printing experience.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 24 April, 2021, 09:33:57 PM
There was quite a large dent in the drivers rear quarter panel, the bottom edge where it sits above the bumper was pushed in instead of being a gently curving line.
A portapower in the boot helped push the creased lower edge back into shape which allowed the dent to be mostly gone.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 24 April, 2021, 09:51:40 PM
The passenger side rear jacking point is the first port of call on the rust removal front, no particular reason as both sides need doing. Although they have both been done already!
The previous owner had recently paid to have and rot welded up ready for an mot, I'm sure he said he'd paid £250 to have it all done. Now, that may seem like a lot of money or a bargain, depending on your point of view. Trouble is it is way too little to have been a proper job done. As was born out when the axle stand went North instead of holding the car up.
Of course I already knew the jacking point needed reconstructing but I was reluctant to just assume that the sill repairs were up to the task.
An exploratory cut out confirmed what I suspected, it was just a quick cover up job! The old rusty sections covered over with new metal which on the outside was coated with underseal but laid against the old rusty metal the corrosion quickly transfers to the new, untreated metal hidden away out of sight.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 24 April, 2021, 09:58:07 PM
The only proper course of action, as always is to cut out the rot as far as is needed.
Still some more cutting out to do and some cleaning as the chassis looks worse than it is but it needs to be sound enough to last more than a year or so like it would have if left as it was.
I'll start the reconstruction next time, thought I'd got some new 1.6mm steel to hand but only 1.2mm, not a huge difference on paper but that's a 30% increase in thickness and is needed for strength in a critical area like this.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 03 May, 2021, 08:40:27 PM
Best use of a wet Bank Holiday?
Get the welder out..
I'd mused over how to make a strong jacking point, not being a fan of just folded steel to put stands under I used a length of box section with a washer welded to it then that got welded to the side of the chassis rail, with strong bracing linking to the inner sill


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 03 May, 2021, 08:43:54 PM
New sill end made up then the end capped in, with an access hole for the 30mm grometts so it can be injected inside.
I'll make the rest of the lower inner arch later on as I may be dropping the rear axle, so that will make access a bit easier to repair the seam near the seat belt mounts


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 09 May, 2021, 03:01:25 PM
The drivers side sill again shows how when a car has been "repaired" you really have to be careful in assuming that means a good job has been done .

The new repairs outwardly looked OK although the rusted bottom lip that had been crumbled over very easily when jacking the car up led to thoughts that all may not be well. The metal added to make a flat jacking point was actually good and solid and could have done a good job but as it resembled an upturned box it would eventually fill with crud and rot from inside out.
So nothing for it but to cut it out and have a look.
The outer sill repair had already deleted one of the sill cover mounts but lo and behold the sill repair had just been laid over the old sill, covering the still in place plastic mount!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 09 May, 2021, 03:07:11 PM
You will no doubt have noticed how rusted the repairs had become on the inside in just a short time, the old rust just transfers to the new metal, why it is vital to protect the inner repaired sections.
With the outer sill cut away it became clear wy the sill lip had folded so easily, the central reinforcer had rotted away and left unrepaired, this will all get redone.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 09 May, 2021, 03:14:04 PM
I'm hopeful that the chassis itself will clean up enough to be useable but if not I will cut it out and make a new section.
There is a small hole at it's forward end that had been undersealed over which needs repairing.
I've decided that the rear axle will need dropping out so  I can get at some rust that's forming around the mounting points, which also means that the fuel tank will have to come out. Not all bad as I wanted to check around the inside of the fuel filler neck in the inner arch anyway where they can rot.
Also with the axle, or more accurately the hubs out of the way then repairing the seams between the boot floor and inner arches becomes much easier.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Dikappa on 09 May, 2021, 04:22:30 PM
Never a bad thing to have the fuel tank out of the way when welding so close to it...


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 09 May, 2021, 04:37:27 PM
Never a bad thing to have the fuel tank out of the way when welding so close to it...


Very true, especially a plastic one!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 12 May, 2021, 09:07:55 PM
As work seems back to normal I'll be able to get Wednesday afternoons at my unit to keep things ticking along on the Dedra now.
The drivers side rear jacking point needed making up. I like to fit a strong point with a large washer that will suit a trolley jack but also I use a home made adapter that fits in an upturned axle stand thus pinning the car down safely preventing it from being able to slide off, I'll demonstrate it later when I get the axle off.

Once the box section was welded to the chassis side the rest of the sill could be repaired including the missing central reinforcer and then an outer sill repair piece let in.
The hole at the front where the passenger footwell begins got a new piece let in underneath the end of the chassis rail then that tapped back down and welded solid.



Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 12 May, 2021, 09:15:19 PM
I will box the sill end in later on as I need to remove more of the inner arch where it had previously been repaired but not all rot removed.

As I mentioned earlier, I will now definetly be taking the tank and axle out as not only is there some rust above the axle mounts but the fuel filler neck and vapour tank area also has corrosion which needs welding up.
Probably get it all out on Saturday then next Wednesday I can start chopping more rot out. Still, it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.... Risking a certain amount of fate tempting...


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 15 May, 2021, 08:49:12 PM
Managed to get up to the workshop this afternoon for a few hours so got the fuel tank and back axle out.
Hardest part was trying to get the car manoeuvred off the stands and onto the new jacking points, fear of the whole car toppling sideways meant a nervy time but its now secure again.
Some rot found behind where the fuel tank filler sits, nothing drastic. The seam looks like it may need a repair after all, I'll have a look at it on Wednesday afternoon to see if I chop it all out after all.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 15 May, 2021, 08:54:04 PM
The rear axle doesn't look too bad, a bit flaky in places so I'll take it all apart and get it blasted.
If I can find new bushes I'll get it powder coated, if not then they will stay in and I'll wet paint it.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 17 May, 2021, 08:42:54 PM
Took the axle to work as thought I may have to press the old mounting bushes out, with the underside supported though a good whack with the hammer and they popped out easily, are only held in by a 10 to 15mm section of the axle so didn't put up much resistance.
I've also stripped the trailing arms down and have just put in a £200 order for new axle bushes, 4x flexi hoses, discs & pads, backing plates, rear hubs/bearings, load compensator valve and hand-brake cables. 
I am as yet undecided on the axle beam, just get it blasted and red oxide painted by the blasters then paint it when I've fitted the bushes, or get it blasted and powder coated but run the risk of chipping the powder coat when fitting the new bushes. I favour the former, and painting once the bushes are fitted will seal them.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 22 May, 2021, 10:45:52 PM
With the axle out of the way I got a better look at the seam between the floor and inner wheel well.
I know I said I expected it to be all rotten when I got the car and was amazed at how good it was... But now I have seen it I will just go ahead and chop it all out as although it hasn't gone through all along it is rusty enough to warrant removing.

I started off on the passenger side as that is the worst, the area around the seat belt mount was rotten in the seam. I thought about leaving the piece where the ABS and suspension wires go through still in place but on the end it's best to just get rid of anything in doubt.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 22 May, 2021, 10:49:17 PM
The reinforcer that supports the seat belt mount needed remaking as the old one was rusted and I actually previously cut in in half! Some 2mm steel did the job. This section stretches down and links in with the sill end so is a strong repair piece.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 22 May, 2021, 10:51:24 PM
The aforementioned seam was next, I could have just cut the wheel well section out but decided a belt and braces approach was best, no point in doing things half hearted.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 22 May, 2021, 10:54:13 PM
I needed a floor section and a vertical wheel well section which I planned to spot weld together leaving a hanging flange to provide a drip edges water would be discouraged from travelling towards the floor. Space would be a bit tight so I made it in one piece off the car.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 22 May, 2021, 10:56:51 PM
3 channels hammered in then fit for lining up to the car, all nice and strong now with clean metal.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 22 May, 2021, 11:02:03 PM
Bit of a clean up and some etch primer sprayed in then that's it for the afternoon. I'll carry on around the side next visit, whenever that may be.
I'm going to try and get it all done this summer but also I've decided not to put pressure on myself to get it done so if it isn't done then so be it, life goes too quickly to spend every spare moment on these jobs.

I'll keep the updates coming as and when, if anyone is still interested.
I'm determined to make as good a job of it as I can as I want this car to be a keeper.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 09 June, 2021, 09:29:20 PM
Bit more done, if anyone is still following.
The rear corner near the wiring loom earth had some rust, so that all got cut out but thankfully it only went a few inches along the back panel.
The side panel where the vent sits had been repaired before, both the rusted original and the rusted replacement had to be gone.



Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 09 June, 2021, 09:32:16 PM
A new panel made for the floor and spot welded to the new vent opening panel.

The rest of the opening and the inner arch that is covered in black underseal I'll chop out next time, it can't be any good under there.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 09 June, 2021, 09:34:51 PM
The outer panel is a bit like Swiss cheese, the inner section much the same.
A bumper mount would be handy too!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: SanRemo78 on 10 June, 2021, 07:52:23 AM
Following this one to the bitter end Kevin! Probably Mathewsons? These are the best sort of threads on the forum.

Guy


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: lancianut666 on 10 June, 2021, 05:40:27 PM
I think a Dedra Turbo is probably a keeper my sons rate the one I had as the best car Dad ever had.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 10 June, 2021, 09:29:02 PM
OK, good to know people are following, I'll carry on posting!  ;D
Ideally I'd like to keep this one, I had one years ago and loved it then, in a lot of ways a better car than the integrale as it goes under the radar without drawing attention to itself yet is still very capable.
Whatever though I will endeavor to rid it of all rust so it can now have its future assured.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: SanRemo78 on 11 June, 2021, 07:34:28 AM
There's a very nice, low mileage Dedra on eBay at the moment. Started at £7500 but down to £4500. Had it been a turbo instead of the 1.8 I suspect it would have been long gone...


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 11 June, 2021, 08:25:07 AM
3243 views as of today Kevin, so you definitely have a following, as always...


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: frankxhv773t on 11 June, 2021, 09:03:29 AM
I'm a little surprised you aren't taking the back wings off to improve access given you are making such a thorough job of the restoration.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 14 June, 2021, 08:25:39 PM
I wouldn't rule out taking the rear wings off , if only to see how simple that is. I've left them on so far as a reference point, to repair the inner wing section where it meets the outer quarter it will indeed be easier with it all out of the way. Once the lower floor sections are done I will look at it again.

Good to know people are following. Not as quick a pace as the Y10 build was, but then I'm back at work full time so this is just my spare time build now, and I'm in no rush.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 23 June, 2021, 09:57:20 PM
The inner arch had some rust where a grommet had been, the inner arch is the centre of the 3 layers that form the seam where the door seal fits.
The rot had set into the seam, some on the inner arch too so a hole was cut.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 23 June, 2021, 10:01:09 PM
Spot welded plates to the seam, they're actually a bit more fiddly to make that it first appeared as they aren't a 90 deg fold, which upsets the curving. Good enough though, at least the rot is out and new steel in, for that piece anyway!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 23 June, 2021, 10:02:56 PM
Some 2pack etch primer will keep it safe for now


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 23 June, 2021, 10:12:06 PM
I'm still yet to decide about taking the outer quarter off, have got as far as taking the bolts out but I'm loath to disturb the original sealant and bend the flanges to remove it when it's just the bottom few inches of arch.
I may have one to come from the consortium, a door is sorted and there may be a quarter available.
For now I've cut enough away to gain good access to all the rotten inner arch.
Not pretty, like a serious case of rot, but as ever you have to keep cutting back until the metal is good.
And this way I have good access and the alignment of the door and boot etc is kept.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 23 June, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
Looks worse than it is, I've made templates of the original piece cut out plus of course I have the removed sections as templates.
Also while I had some etch on the gun I rubbed down the new rear disc backing plates I got and primed them so they can be done in 2pack black. They get a hard life with dirt and water plus heat from the brakes so being painted should help prolong their life.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 07 July, 2021, 09:01:16 PM
A week or two since I've posted, I've been distracted a little by an Alfa GTV that I seemed to have bought, and a Toyota MR2 as it happens, but if truth be told I've been putting off doing the inner arch repairs as it really is a pain to do, welding upside down and trying to create a 3D repair out of fresh air.
But with the day off work today I had to get to it.
The remaining rotten edges were cut back an dthe an attempt to make a panel to cover at least half of the the inner arch was made, but it became apparent that I'd be ages, days even trying to get a single panel formed that would fit everywhere so the simplest solution was to make several smaller panels.
The section under the little bucket where the door lock mount is got a simple enough panel made up and allowed the lock bucket piece to be spot welded to it for added strength.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 07 July, 2021, 09:07:44 PM
The inner, car side of the rearmost section was next, finally time to join up the repaired floor pieces.
Not the prettiest repairs but all rust has now gone and it's solid again.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 07 July, 2021, 09:12:32 PM
Time to make the sections that will link to the new outer lower 1/4 panel, once I make a new one!
A new full length curved piece needs making for the curved arch but the straight piece is about right height wise, it will gain a horizontal return section once things start going back together on the outer piece.
Once that's all in place then a new bumper mount bracket can be made so still a bit to do!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 24 July, 2021, 10:52:39 PM
I've finally got back to working on the car now the temperature has eased a little, getting wrapped up for welding in near 30 degrees outside but far hotter in the workshop was not for me.
The drivers side looked OK but of course at this stage the sensible thing to do is just cut out any doubt, so the seam cut removed as the passenger side did.
This side however isn't a straight lip as it curves to clear the fuel tank filler neck. Some use of the shrinker/stretcher to make a curved repair piece before spot welding a new side piece on, similar to the other side.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 24 July, 2021, 10:57:42 PM
Copious amounts of etch primer ensures that it runs into the seam, later on the seams will be seam sealed but it is vital that no hidden areas are left with bare steel especially where welded as that encourages corrosion to set in.
Weather permitting I will get up there on Wednesday and get some more done.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: DavidLaver on 25 July, 2021, 10:59:17 AM

Delighted to see some metal working action again.

Loved our Dedra Turbo, that we swapped for a car I didn't love when trips to Barry Waterhouse Engineering for the work on it became too much, a couple of months after my eldest was born, which was when the tax expired on the Austin 7 special, etc...


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 31 July, 2021, 09:50:59 PM
Yes, I remember our Dedra turbo well David to, a great family car that covered most bases, fast and comfortable, very good sized boot especially with the folding rear seats, rare and non descript enough to be able to be left anywhere and it be still there on your return!

I managed to get some more welding done this afternoon. The drivers side rear floor was a bit rusty on the underside, not enough to be holed but whilst I'm at it the section was removed and a new one made and let in, complete with the two holes needed for the ABS sensor wires and the electronic shock absorbers.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 31 July, 2021, 09:58:43 PM
Inside rear drivers floor.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 31 July, 2021, 10:02:27 PM
The sill end boxed in, with 25mm hole for access to the inside so it can be blasted with cavity wax, I use a hole cutting drill to suit the rubber grommets, always handy.

The nut is for the seat belt anchorage point, needs to be pretty solid of course!



Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 31 July, 2021, 10:05:57 PM
Underside will get seam sealed over all the welds once the etch primer has gone off, once the seam sealer has been on a few days and the solvents dried out it will all be given a coat of stoneguard protection then some 2pack red paint along with the inner arches.

Still got the chassis rails to clean up of course, and the passenger outer arch to make up and fit, and the rust behind the fuel filler mount, and the bumper mounts... So the painting the underside stage is still some way off!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 05 August, 2021, 09:12:20 PM
The welding is almost done now, beavering away the last few days whilst on holiday, of sorts.
Today was supposed to be just a day to tidy up a few bits and seam seal all the welds before it all gets stoneguard applied at the weekend.
As ever though there's always a bit you miss, this time a crunchy looking part behind the bumper mount that attaches to the back panel.
The bracket got the spot welds drilled out so it could be removed to be reused then a new outer panel made up with the section for the boot floor.
Another smaller section further along needed doing too.... So fingers crossed that's it for the rear end..


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 05 August, 2021, 09:18:58 PM
I've also taken what may seem an unusual decision and enlisted a friend who does paintwork full time to prep and paint the bodyshell for me. Not because I can't, but because I can't see me having the time to get it all done this year with work and all.
This way it will be fully painted by mid September so I can concentrate on getting it all back together without it sitting there until next spring awaiting my attention, and I'll get my spare time back.
Part of the decision to thin down the fleet, although the Flavia coupe may get to stay as a retirement project!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 August, 2021, 08:55:48 PM
Last Saturday all the welding repairs got covered with the stonechip protection, this provides a nice thick rubberised layer over the etch primer and seam sealer so it should keep the moisture out.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 August, 2021, 08:58:05 PM
I was going to leave the insides smooth but as I say, this stuff gives good coverage and protection


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 August, 2021, 09:00:26 PM
This afternoon I put the red on so it will be dry by Saturday so the axle can go back on. Was just going to do it in black but as I had the proper colour I did it red so I could also do the insides at the same time.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 August, 2021, 09:05:27 PM
You'll notice the bumper mounts have been made. I haven't bothered doing the whole width of the boot floor in red as it is covered by the fuel tank, rear axle and then the rear undertray so it's basically a waste of paint to do it red. I will give it a coat of rust preventing wax oil type stuff before the tank goes on.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 11 August, 2021, 09:07:48 PM
The rear panel will get painted when the shell gets done, this is just me ensuring the underside got coated so that should be fine for years.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Dikappa on 12 August, 2021, 10:53:59 AM
What a lucky Dedra to get treated soo well!  Nice work!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 12 August, 2021, 10:39:05 PM
Thank you!  8)


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 14 August, 2021, 09:50:37 PM
Started to refit the rear axle beam and suspension, as much as you try and be prepared though there always seems to be the odd bracket or two that get missed and need blasting and painting.
Plus I forget bits and bobs, like the rubber spring seat mounts for the top.
Hopefully the rest will get built up soon, although I may well leave the full axle build up until after paint.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 02 October, 2021, 05:50:20 PM
Well, it's 6 weeks or so since I last posted and no, I've not given up on the car
I made the decision that I could spend until Christmas rubbing it all down to be faced with trying to spray the car in the dead of winter with all the issues that brings, not to mention it taking every minute of any spare time I had. No, the answer was to chat with Sean in the neighboring unit who does paintwork full time to see if he would sort the car out for me.
An agreeable price and time frame was met and the results are now that I have a painted car ready to start the rebuild next weekend.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 02 October, 2021, 05:56:37 PM
He's done a great job on sorting all the dents out, my repairs to the passenger rear quarter panel not least of them!
There was a huge amount of tiny dents all over it in reality, but now it looks great in fresh red paint.
The door frames and other black parts I'll e doing myself.
The refit will start next weekend.
Rear brakes and axle fit to finish off, fuel tank etc. Roof lining needs taking out and a new one making. Sunroof panel itself can then come out as it has rust to the mechanism, a decent replacement came with the car.
Then it's just a case of cleaning it all up and putting it all back together, no rush as I've given myself a March deadline!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 02 October, 2021, 05:58:40 PM
Inspiration, if it were needed.
By next spring I should have a nice pair of 4 door turbocharged Lancia’s to choose from


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: lancianut666 on 03 October, 2021, 05:58:31 PM
Looking Good!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 23 October, 2021, 08:33:00 PM
Finally got all the little brackets and new pieces sorted ready to build up the back brakes. One flexi bracket remained lost so had to make a mirror image of the other side, how many times must I keep messing up the storage of parts!

Loads of new parts went on, new hubs/bearings, new discs and pads with flexi hoses and pipes, new pressure regulator too so should be OK for a while.

The rear calipers got stripped and new seals fitted then a clean and a lick of paint for good measure


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 23 October, 2021, 08:35:32 PM
Now the rear brakes and suspension is done I can start to think about fitting the bumper, I'll spray some rust preventative tetrosyl on it first.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 23 October, 2021, 08:38:47 PM
Exhaust to fit too next time then I can start on getting the interior back in order.
Roof lining needs taking out and a new one making, then the whole inside needs a really good clean!


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: frankxhv773t on 24 October, 2021, 08:56:33 AM
Making a headlining sounds a bit of a faff. Might TDC have a good one in stock? Otherwise it looks fabulous, as always. Auto Italia are gearing up to do a feature on Y10s which your two examples might feature in.


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: fay66 on 24 October, 2021, 10:54:43 AM
Exhaust to fit too next time then I can start on getting the interior back in order.
Roof lining needs taking out and a new one making, then the whole inside needs a really good clean!
Hi Kevin,
Unless the headlining is damaged but only needs cleaning, I'd be inclined to clean it as alacantara can be washed, although it shouldn't be soaked, have you got  the headlining out, or were you anticipating recovering it in situ?

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Dedra turbo H630 XGN
Post by: Kevinlincs on 24 October, 2021, 12:02:58 PM
The headlining is all droopy, I'm assuming it's a material stuck to cardboard in the same way as the integrale was, and my 145 too.
I replaced both of those using new material, once the complete assembly is out of the car it's not too bad a job to do. A faff yes, but the liekihood of getting a really nice one would be slim and would most likely have the same issue with aged glue.
I had a few emails about the Y10 photoshoot for the Auto Italia feature last year but the covid situation scuppered things, it'd be nice to see them in print though anyway, hopefully they are well received.
Thanks for the kind words re the ongoing work guys, it's a slog sometimes to keep at it after a busy week at work but it needs doing, and will be worth the effort in the end I'm sure.