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Title: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: Kevinlincs on 07 March, 2021, 08:26:51 PM
https://mathewsons.co.uk/auctions/auction-dates/vehicles/16947-1972-lancia-fulvia-berlina


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: fay66 on 08 March, 2021, 10:38:53 AM
https://mathewsons.co.uk/auctions/auction-dates/vehicles/16947-1972-lancia-fulvia-berlina
Strong money for a Berlina, so let's hope people finally realise what a bargain this one is, even if it does makes the guide price.

Brian
8227 : 8)


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: DavidLaver on 08 March, 2021, 04:08:19 PM

Looks lovely.  Says restoration in the magazine.  Who's is / was it?


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: fay66 on 08 March, 2021, 05:41:19 PM
I think it belongs to a Member from the Hampshire group, and he restored it himself, it was in
' Viva Lancia' sometime ago.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: Kevinlincs on 08 March, 2021, 08:49:13 PM
I think it belongs to a Member from the Hampshire group, and he restored it himself, it was in
' Viva Lancia' sometime ago.
Brian
8227 8)

It belongs to Richard, Brian. The one I did for him around 2015. Richard who came down to Marys' place and took away the buried sedan!
He's hardly used it at all since then and is thinning his fleet down a bit.
 


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: pasey25 on 09 March, 2021, 12:22:12 AM
this is a bit cheaper than the going rate in Oz.

and we probably have a few more in circulation (but lesser access to LHD cars)


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: Kevinlincs on 09 March, 2021, 07:53:57 PM
I think there's a bit of gold fever after the recent 2000 sedan auction sale, not that he's expecting anything like 23k!  ;D
But the market for all classics seems very buoyant at the moment, most makes selling well at near record prices, the classic market crash hasn't happened yet...
It will be interested to see where the bidding goes to but it's maybe a bit unusual and niche for a general classic auction, but you never can tell..


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: frankxhv773t on 10 March, 2021, 10:12:45 AM
I think Mathewsons is a place where people expect to find the unusual and also that their position at the more affordable end of the market may be a good fit as well. Time will tell whether I am right though.


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: fay66 on 10 March, 2021, 03:06:58 PM
I think it belongs to a Member from the Hampshire group, and he restored it himself, it was in
' Viva Lancia' sometime ago.
Brian
8227 8)


It belongs to Richard, Brian. The one I did for him around 2015. Richard who came down to Marys' place and took away the buried sedan!
He's hardly used it at all since then and is thinning his fleet down a bit.
 
Thanks Kevin, if you did the work then I'd have no hesitation in recommending it!
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: Kevinlincs on 10 March, 2021, 10:08:45 PM
I think it belongs to a Member from the Hampshire group, and he restored it himself, it was in
' Viva Lancia' sometime ago.
Brian
8227 8)


It belongs to Richard, Brian. The one I did for him around 2015. Richard who came down to Marys' place and took away the buried sedan!
He's hardly used it at all since then and is thinning his fleet down a bit.
 
Thanks Kevin, if you did the work then I'd have no hesitation in recommending it!
Brian
8227 8)

Thank you kind Sir  8) Very much appreciated.

If anyone does want any information on the car, what was done etc I'd be happy to say. It did need a fair amount doing, as usual, but I was happy with how it turned out. All the door shuts etc came out nice, painted engine bay etc.


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: Kevinlincs on 18 March, 2021, 10:09:27 PM
Auction is this Saturday starting 9AM, Fulvia now has lovely walk round video on the website..

https://mathewsons.co.uk/auctions/auction-dates/vehicles/16947-1972-lancia-fulvia-berlina


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: Kevinlincs on 20 March, 2021, 04:36:41 PM
Anybody off here bid, or buy it?
Did pretty well all things considered, hammer down at 11,750. Not bad for a saloon  8)


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: frankxhv773t on 20 March, 2021, 07:23:59 PM
And...he's wrong, those police cars in the Italian Job were Giulias weren't they.


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: CesareFerrari on 20 March, 2021, 08:15:57 PM
The video eventually posted by Mathewsons showed the car to be extremely attractive, and a tribute to Kevin's work on the restoration.
I am glad that a saloon has reached such a good price, even if it lessens my chances of ever owning another. I covet them far more than the coupes, and the pleasure of driving they offer is regarded as higher by a lot of people with experience of both.
The commentary on the video at times rather irritated. All credit to the auctioneers for bringing the car to the attention of the right buyers, but not for careless comments about "Larncias" and rust, and Fulvias being police cars in 'the Italian Job'.

Viva Lancia! (pronounce it "Lancha")


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: Kevinlincs on 20 March, 2021, 09:20:39 PM
In defence of Derek and his crew they are very knowledgeable about a huge variety of vehicles but sometimes the little details can be missing. It's hard to have full knowledge on everything when you go from a Thames van to an Esso sign, to a Velocette  vintage motorcycle to a modern Mercedes then an Italian Lancia that they have probably never seen before. They are a family run establishment rather than a big corporate entity like other auction houses and are very approachable. I know Richard has dealt with them before, I myself have been to their auctions with my friend Steve (keep seeing ourselves on TV, on again this week looking gormless!) and after the auction had ended Derek stopped for a chat despite being the auctioneer since 9am with hardly a break, by then it had gone 6pm but he still stopped for a chat with fellow enthusiasts like us and his enthusiasm was clear to see despite a tiring day.
So I do feel they are allowed a little slack in not knowing everything!
And even I pronounce it Lan-see-A so that's just an accent thing, mind you a lot of people struggle with my Lincolnshire accent anyway, well there's an awful lot of nodding as replies!  ;D

The police car thing did make me say "no, wasn't a Lancia" but I said they were Fiats! Shows non of us know everything, and I'm supposed to be an Alfa fan too  ::)

But needless to say Richard is very happy with the sale.


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: chriswgawne on 21 March, 2021, 10:28:13 AM
Its very satisfying to see that Fulvia Berlinas (and also other Lancia saloon variants) are beginning to be appreciated a little more.
Jacky and my  experience over the last 50 years of Fulvia ownership of all variants is that Fulvia Saloons are better built, have more compliant versatile suspension with a better ride and seating and also are beautifully yet  subtly styled ( particularly S1 Berlinas) and this is now being reflected in prices. There is also a rarity value now.
From personal experience I believe exactly the same comments can be applied to Flavia variants and Aurelia variants. Indeed I had a conversation last week with someone who knows far more about Aurelias that I do and who knew Steady Barker well. Apparently Steady was a huge fan of Aurelia Saloons and much more so than B20 Coupes. Our conversation drifted onto the interdependence of seating position and springing, suspension stiffness and travel, damping and tyres and his conclusion is that you change any of the Lancia OE settings and equipment items at your peril! 
This is really another topic but briefly my friend went on to bemoan the trend of fitting of bucket seats to B20s which of course have little springing by definition of what they are........and he also grumbled about current new Michelin X and Pirelli Cinturato tyres. New Michelin Xs have  even softer sidewalls than original and the Cinturato moulds have been refurbed meaning the tyres are taller than original.
Each of these apparently small changes detract from the original ride and driving experience.
Chris


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: fay66 on 21 March, 2021, 10:50:58 AM
Its very satisfying to see that Fulvia Berlinas (and also other Lancia saloon variants) are beginning to be appreciated a little more.
Jacky and my  experience over the last 50 years of Fulvia ownership of all variants is that Fulvia Saloons are better built, have more compliant versatile suspension with a better ride and seating and also are beautifully yet  subtly styled ( particularly S1 Berlinas) and this is now being reflected in prices. There is also a rarity value now.
From personal experience I believe exactly the same comments can be applied to Flavia variants and Aurelia variants. Indeed I had a conversation last week with someone who knows far more about Aurelias that I do and who knew Steady Barker well. Apparently Steady was a huge fan of Aurelia Saloons and much more so than B20 Coupes. Our conversation drifted onto the interdependence of seating position and springing, suspension stiffness and travel, damping and tyres and his conclusion is that you change any of the Lancia OE settings and equipment items at your peril! 
This is really another topic but briefly my friend went on to bemoan the trend of fitting of bucket seats to B20s which of course have little springing by definition of what they are........and he also grumbled about current new Michelin X and Pirelli Cinturato tyres. New Michelin Xs have  even softer sidewalls than original and the Cinturato moulds have been refurbed meaning the tyres are taller than original.
Each of these apparently small changes detract from the original ride and driving experience.
Chris
Having owned a ser 1 Rallye Coupe, before buying Fay back in 1997, I  completely agree with Chris's observations regarding Berlina, although I'm very much biased towards Berlinas generally, and would have loved to own a Flaminia Berlina in a parallel World..
However as I haven't caught up with the auction yet, how much did it sell for?
Brian
8227 : 8)


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: chriswgawne on 21 March, 2021, 11:09:21 AM
Anybody off here bid, or buy it?
Did pretty well all things considered, hammer down at 11,750. Not bad for a saloon  8)

Is there 7.5% + VAT on top of the hammer price?
Chris 


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: Kevinlincs on 21 March, 2021, 06:23:04 PM
Hammer price was 11,750 and yes, the buyer will also get charged 7.5% + VAT on top of that.
So I make that 12,807.50p. If I've calculated correctly...


Title: Re: Fulvia Berlina
Post by: fay66 on 21 March, 2021, 07:42:53 PM
Hammer price was 11,750 and yes, the buyer will also get charged 7.5% + VAT on top of that.
So I make that 12,807.50p. If I've calculated correctly...
That was strong money!
Brian
8227 8)