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Model Technical and Interest => Ypsilon, Musa and Y10 => Topic started by: frankxhv773t on 08 August, 2018, 11:26:59 AM



Title: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 08 August, 2018, 11:26:59 AM
Following on from my thread on boot corner rust I am moving on to various other bits and pieces. Seat belts are on order to replace the jammed ones in the front and as I am in painting mode some of the other rough bits will get attention.


One persistent problem I have found with Y10s is breaking the lugs off the little round covers that hide the boot hinge bolts. I now count these covers as a "grab one whenever you can" item. To help preserve them I remove them from behing with a screw driver, as shown below, rather than trying to dig them out from the front.




Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 18 August, 2018, 10:36:27 AM
I am still waiting for replacement seatbelts to arrive. My first order resulted not in a pair of retractable 3 point seatbelts but a single child seat harness! Following a refund I have ordered some from elsewhere. Meanwhile as the car is in pieces I am doing other jobs. A long term problem has been that somewhere back in the mists of time the car has had a dent on the join between the driver's door and front wing such that the two panels scrape over each other when the door is opened. Multiple attempts over the years to massage them back into shape have failed through inaccessibility and the tight curvature of the panels. As I am painting the rear corners I decided it was time to get out a spare front wing, paint it up and fit it. The first job is to paint over the edges from the back to ensure complete coverage of the edges when I paint the outer surface. I have also been cleaning out the front inside of the rear arches ready for treatment with black waxoyle. This is an area which is worth revisiting every few years because of the rust traps. A particularly awkward bit is behind the fuel filler where various pipes trap mud in tight corners.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 September, 2018, 07:09:08 PM
Does anyone have a recipe for stopping a bit of a tidy up turning into a major project?


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: simonandjuliet on 03 September, 2018, 07:35:05 PM
I've never managed to find the correct button to press


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 04 September, 2018, 01:39:34 PM

If you are finding time and having fun.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: the.cern on 04 September, 2018, 05:19:44 PM
Does anyone have a recipe for stopping a bit of a tidy up turning into a major project?

That recipe does not exist so stop worrying!!! Just accept that you are in the same hole as the rest of us!!!


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 04 September, 2018, 06:42:06 PM
Oh well. I'd better crack on then. Whilst we still have some reasonably warm and dry weather I must try to get some paint on. Today the rear quarter panels got masked and painted together with the replacement OSF wing.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 04 September, 2018, 09:11:36 PM

Would look good as a van.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 04 September, 2018, 09:47:29 PM
But I'd have to respray it again in Lancia Service livery.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: ben on 09 September, 2018, 10:24:15 AM
Sounds as tho you need one of my "that will do for now" pills.
I think I may be addicted to them!!


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: nyssa7 on 10 September, 2018, 01:32:20 PM

Would look good as a van.
I always fancied making a little pick up truck from a Y10 😂


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 10 September, 2018, 04:15:34 PM

I looked at those clips again and wondered if it it could be 3D printed.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: lancianut666 on 10 September, 2018, 06:49:28 PM
This is not a wandering it is a full scale yomp...nice one  :)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 10 September, 2018, 08:53:43 PM
David, I think they would be perfect for 3D printing we just need a cheap 3D printer in the club.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 11 September, 2018, 10:11:39 AM

From another thread, where they were too expensive, https://www.shapeways.com

Do we have anyone who's able to 3D model in their sleep?


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 25 September, 2018, 06:19:59 PM
I found some sound tailgate hinge covers in another spares cache, my last set so I shall have to look after them. I wasn't satisfied with my work on the front wing so at Brian's suggestion I went back to the start and used a high build primer on them. Things are progressing rather better now. I have also started cleaning up a spare door, to see if it better than the existing driver's door, using a new cleaning product I came across. Its' proving quite effective.




Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 27 September, 2018, 07:08:11 PM
I have got a coat of paint that I can live with on the spare front wing now but will put off fitting it till after getting an MOT. Unfortunately having got front seat belts that work and re-assembled everything the ignition has decided not to provide a spark. How we love our Lancias. There seems to be power everywhere there should be in the low tension circuits so I will have to hunt out a spare ignition module and try that.


The tailgate hinge covers are painted and fitted and after cutting and polishing the panel they fit into the colour match isn't too bad.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 27 September, 2018, 09:19:43 PM

What was the solution for the seatbelts? 


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 29 September, 2018, 08:41:34 PM
David, I bought new ones on-line. They were universal fit from a campervan conversion supplier. Slight modification to the mounting was needed because they assumed a locating pin hole where the Y10 needs a short slot. Ten minutes with a file sorted that out.

My ignition problem seems to just have been a bad earth to the body of the distributor under the ignition module. On removing the old module I decided the contact point could use some cleaning up. Starting was pretty much instant with the new module but I thought I'd just double check the old one before throwing it away. Surprise, surprise, it worked fine so I have left it in situ and put the new one back in store with my NOS distributor.

Of course Lancias being Lancias the screen washer decided not to work. Again taking everything apart and cleaning the contacts proved to be the solution. However getting the washer bottle out is a real pain because the wires are so short. Even unbolting the washer bottle you can't really move it far enough to get a hand underneath to disconnect the wiring. I spliced an extra six inches into the three cables whilst I had it out so things will be much easier in the future.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 01 October, 2018, 07:27:40 PM
Loving your never say die attitude to Lancia living, at least you'll soon have sorted through everything!

Seriously tempted to try and find a Y10 as a daily driver, if there's enough left.

I hate the way modern cars are going with auto lights/wipers/handbrake etc.....like we don't know when it's dark  ???

My current '05 Alfa GT daily is just about as new as I'm gonna go.

Need Lancia more back in my life though  ;)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: stanley sweet on 03 October, 2018, 10:59:21 AM
Not sure how 'auto' modern cars wipe but I love the auto setting on my Lybra. Wipes like mad in heavy rain then gradually wipes at various intermittent rates. Best of all is when the rain stops and I forget to switch them off. A big truck comes towards me in a big cloud of spray and ......wipe. Luxury. I never buy new cars so am always 20 years behind in technology.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 20 October, 2018, 04:17:39 PM
Well I got an MOT but it is alarming how dreadful the brakes can be and still get through the test. I have no intention of risking my life on the road with them that bad so the wheels are off again and the Y10 is up on axle stands for sorting out. Of course there's always one nut that won't come undone. No amount of penetrating oil, hammer tapping, heating or force would shift it so I resorted to the angle grinder on the basis that I would get more grip on the remains once the drum was off. I was surprised that with the drum off it unscrewed perfectly easily so it must have been rusted solid into the drum not the hub. The front callipers have been exercised to free them up but the retainers for the rear shoes are so grotty that I have ordered a new brake shoe fitting kit. At this rate I won't have to pay for road tax till November.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 04 February, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
My Y10 is still alive but I am still only getting very limited access to the forum.I an trying this on .my phone using mobile data in the pub at the Hertz and Beds monthly meeting. Yesterday I got another year's MOT after a fairly extensive front suspension overhaul. The big thing though was the brakes. The rear flexi hose may have been from 1987! Replacing it involved removing the rear axle but that is only half a dozen bolts.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: lancianut666 on 06 February, 2020, 05:39:16 PM
Hi Frank
Any pictures? I will be venturing under there soon
Clarkey


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 07 February, 2020, 12:48:20 AM
The system doesn't seem to like me posting pictures but here's an attempt.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 07 February, 2020, 07:01:55 PM
The system doesn't seem to like me posting pictures but here's an attempt.
Looking good Frank. 👍
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 March, 2020, 11:54:48 PM
Today I got my Y10 onto its' newly refurbished alloy wheels for the Herts and Beds monthly meeting. I think these early style alloys rather suit it.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 04 March, 2020, 10:21:37 PM
Looks smart with those alloys Frank.
Are they the same as the early Delta ones?
Style if not size..


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 04 March, 2020, 11:22:40 PM
The system doesn't seem to like me posting pictures but here's an attempt.
Looking good Frank. 👍
Brian
8227  8)
Just realised you have the later rear suspension different from early Y10's.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 12 March, 2020, 08:29:18 PM
Kevin, the wheels are the same as early Delta and Prisma and I suspect the same size too. Brian, that's interesting because I thought all Y10 rear suspension was the same. How did it change?


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 23 March, 2020, 11:29:16 PM
My wife says I am socially isolated naturally but with the excuse of keeping my distance from the family I am reverting to standard springs. I was given a set of new, unused Panda performance springs so I have tried them for a while to see what they did for the handling. The main effect is to completely ruin the ride! As usual, Lancia knows best.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 28 May, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
Work continues on my Y10 but the time out on my sessions means I don't usually get past reading and commenting on new posts. I've been tidying up my doors but things are getting out of hand. I seem to have less and less Y10 every day. A water leak from the bottom hose got me pulling the radiator out so I decided I might as well pull off the front panel to give free access to tidying up the paint on the front wings.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: lancianut666 on 28 May, 2020, 10:12:03 AM
Those springs look pretty unyielding!


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 28 May, 2020, 04:49:51 PM
Those springs look pretty unyielding!
Don't charge through any ford's with the air intake that low!
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 28 May, 2020, 06:33:28 PM
It's actually back on standard springs as of a couple of months ago. However I think the "stance" you are noticing is because the front is up on axle stands so I could get at the lower bumper bolts. Axle stands aren't noted for their compliance!


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 June, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
Something to look out on a Y10 and possibly other models of the same age is the clips holding the heater control cables in place under the bonnet. One of mine had degraded and snapped off so I couldn't shut off the air flow. My spares turned out to be splitting as well but this one will have to do for the time being.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 06 June, 2020, 06:43:31 PM
Another bit that goes wrong on a Y10 is the surround for the headlight and front indicator unit. These push on from the back before the assembly is bolted into place but they tend to creep back and disappear at the inboard edge. I have taken to putting a small self tapping screw in underneath the inboard end next to the radiator grille which successfully keeps everything in place.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 07 July, 2020, 04:13:52 PM
Being in lockdown things have got a bit out of hand so repainting the doors has grown into a general paint tidy up. It won't win any prizes for the finish but at least all the panels are the same shade of red now. All work has been done outside, under trees and subject to the attentions of errant insects. It will "look good as you come up on it" as they say but definitely less good on closer inspection. But for less than 100 in materials it will do.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 07 July, 2020, 07:57:27 PM
Looking tidy Frank, very smart indeed.
The smell of fresh paint is way too attractive for bugs isn't it, very annoying!
One thing that puzzled me on mine, and reminded me on looking at yours with the radiator out, what's the round black plastic thing on the top of the front cross member for?


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 08 July, 2020, 10:56:22 AM
As far as I can ascertain it is a specially designed module produced by Lancia to confuse the hell out of us all. It's been discussed before and nobody came up with any answers. My favourite possibility is hat it is a secret bug hotel.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 08 July, 2020, 06:38:51 PM
As far as I can ascertain it is a specially designed module produced by Lancia to confuse the hell out of us all. It's been discussed before and nobody came up with any answers. My favourite possibility is hat it is a secret bug hotel.
If I remember rightly from my Y10 days its something to do with impact to the front bumper, I'll see if the body workshop manual has any clues.
Brian
8227
 8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 09 July, 2020, 10:24:14 AM
That would seem logical Brian.

The caps over the boot hinge bolts didn't survive the compounding so they have gone back for fresh paint after being carefully removed in the approved manner to avoid snapping the vulnerable mounting clips.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 09 July, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Whilst I'm doing lots of jobs I thought I'd fit the tow bar I got from Ben Courage (ex My Little Pony). Being able to tow a light trailer will allow me to avoid carrying mucky things inside the car. I haven't worried up to now as the interior isn't very good but I may find a better one sometime.