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Model Technical and Interest => Flavia => Topic started by: colinw on 06 June, 2018, 09:08:34 PM



Title: Petrol Cap
Post by: colinw on 06 June, 2018, 09:08:34 PM
The rubber seal on the inside of my original petrol cap has become guey and shiny and peels away easily. Is this the end of the life of the cap? Or can it be fitted with a new seal? If a new cap is now needed are they easily obtainable?
Thanks you for any help,on this topic.


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lancianut666 on 06 June, 2018, 09:25:17 PM
My Flavia coupe failed the MOT on the petrol cap rubber seal....somewhere in the Viva Lancia was an article showing how to dismantle the cap and replace the seal
Clarkey


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lancialulu on 07 June, 2018, 06:20:27 AM
The rubber seal on the inside of my original petrol cap has become guey and shiny and peels away easily. Is this the end of the life of the cap? Or can it be fitted with a new seal? If a new cap is now needed are they easily obtainable?
Thanks you for any help,on this topic.
v difficult to replace the rubber. I too remember seeing an article in VL but not sure if it was for the early Flavia type. New ones (old stock) were available at the Padova show last year if you looked hard but at a price. I bought one as my Vignale cap was going goey too.


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: Brian Long on 08 June, 2018, 07:18:07 AM
I believe it is possible to rebuild the petrol cap if you have access to a lathe to make a new cental retaining stud.
Brian


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: DavidLaver on 08 June, 2018, 09:45:15 AM

Is this another case of "modern fuel, rubber doesn't cope" or just age?


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: chriswgawne on 08 June, 2018, 10:51:21 AM
Any chance of a photo as its possible I have one squirrelled away.
Chris


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: colinw on 10 June, 2018, 09:34:41 PM
Thank you to all for your help.
The people in Norfolk I have learned can refurbish the cap with 3mm thick nitrile rubber for about £30. The secret is as many of you have pointed out is the re-riveting of the brass stud and spring assembly. This they say they can do.
My car has been standing for 13 years or so with little use so constant exposure only to petrol fumes has not helped. I suppose a little oil on the rubber would keep the newer petrol and its additives away from the (wait for it) perishing rubber!
Thanks again for the help.
 


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lancianut666 on 10 June, 2018, 10:00:32 PM
Found the article...
Clarkey


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: Richard Fridd on 11 June, 2018, 12:48:16 PM
I have this cap in my store, which can be disassembled. Not sure which model it would fit. Not Flaminia though


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: Neil on 11 June, 2018, 12:57:09 PM
38 litre is Fulvia (S2), may fit Flavias too.


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lancialulu on 11 June, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
Flavia 815's are screw not bayonet.

Re Omicron - 3mm is rather thick?


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: chriswgawne on 11 June, 2018, 07:28:16 PM
That's a Fulvia Richard.
I offered Colin what I had which I think is Aurelia B20 S1/2 (Photos attached)?
He has decided to go to Omicron.
 I am quite surprised Lancia didn't use Fulvia and Flavia commonality/
Chris


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: bobhenry999 on 08 August, 2018, 08:40:10 PM
Chaps,

I sent my cap to Omicron last week as the seal had also gone all gooey, and as Colin had suggested that it would cost about £30.00 thought nothing of it.


Be warned,  It arrived back today all repaired with a new seal and a bill for £137.72 !

Bob



Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: colinw on 08 August, 2018, 10:09:37 PM
Wow!!
I was told that the nitrile rubber was about £5-6 and that a new centre “rivet”would be made and peened over. How the cost can escalate like this I do not know.
Bob, so sorry to hear this tale.
Colin




Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lancialulu on 09 August, 2018, 06:56:48 AM
Seems the new one I bought at Padova last year for 120eu was a bargain then! Didn't feel like that at the time....


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: fay66 on 09 August, 2018, 11:25:55 AM
Brian Long is correct, I don't know when but Fay's cap has had the centre rivet holding everything together, has been replaced with a threaded pin with a nut and washer on the underside.
 I replaced the seal, supplied by Omicron myself sometime ago with a new one by simply taking it apart.
Anyone got a lath, make a small fortune making these for £10 a time.
Brian
8227   8)


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lancialulu on 15 October, 2019, 08:46:13 PM
I have just refurbished 2 Flavia/Aurelia screw type caps by carefully releasing the peened over brass rivet, cleaning all parts, blind drilling the center to take an M4 tap and using a stainless dome headed cap bolt and washer with hard locktite to hold it all together, after replacing the rotten rubber (or cork) with a disk of 2mm nytrile (as per the article in VL). I dont have a lathe and all all the parts were "on the shelf" - so a free upgrade....

Additionally you need to file/grind the top of the unpeened rivet flat...


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lancianut666 on 16 October, 2019, 06:09:30 PM
I'm just a tight Yorkshire man and I thought Omicron wanting £30 to replace the seal was 'Ow Much!' but £137 is just as JCS would say robbery with violence.
Clarkey


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lendickins on 17 October, 2019, 01:43:49 PM
get one from http://www.amadeiricambi.it/lancia/lancia_flavia_815/motore___engine.html


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lancialulu on 17 October, 2019, 02:07:07 PM
get one from http://www.amadeiricambi.it/lancia/lancia_flavia_815/motore___engine.html
And the price??? I believe these sellers only do business face to face and will not ship directly to UK.....


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: fay66 on 17 October, 2019, 05:54:24 PM
get one from http://www.amadeiricambi.it/lancia/lancia_flavia_815/motore___engine.html
And the price??? I believe these sellers only do business face to face and will not ship directly to UK.....
We shall see Tim, I've just requested the cost of the Series 1 Sedan heater motor and cost to send to me in the UK.
Brian
8227
 8)


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lendickins on 26 October, 2019, 07:24:49 PM
I have been dealing with him and other italian suppliers for years and there is no problem to ship to UK.


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lendickins on 26 October, 2019, 07:26:17 PM
Also https://www.autoepoca.it/ have them on their website.


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: lancialulu on 26 October, 2019, 09:01:58 PM
Also https://www.autoepoca.it/ have them on their website.
those dont have the litri plaque.....


Title: Re: Petrol Cap
Post by: markinnes on 30 November, 2019, 02:00:45 AM
ref cap shown reply no 8, the bayonet style is fitted to my Flavia 2000 Coupe 1970, albeit with 55 litre capacity plate. I know as I've just snapped off one half of the bayonet. Haven't yet managed a left turn at enough speed to persuade the fuel that far back up the filler pipe as it hasn't leaked yet. Will keep trying...