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Model Technical and Interest => Ypsilon, Musa and Y10 => Topic started by: lancianut666 on 03 June, 2018, 06:13:24 PM



Title: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 03 June, 2018, 06:13:24 PM
Hi
Will be trying to get this little beauty back on the road but might be a long distance affair as it is in Hartlepool and there will be no room at the new house in Scarborough still it has a nice dry home for the next couple of months
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 04 June, 2018, 04:24:35 PM
Only a flying visit today but just had time to crack the wheel bolts off on the front passenger wheel...this is not moving so will be the first place to start.
Had an ocean of grief with a Fiat Stilo wheel bolt that had snapped off so was mighty relieved when with the assistance of the car wheel brace and my trolley jack handle they all came loose..
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 06 June, 2018, 06:45:49 PM
Here's a picture of the owner's document pack which is on its' was to you.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 06 June, 2018, 09:08:56 PM
Lovely can't wait!!!


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 11 June, 2018, 08:00:21 PM
All arrived safely...


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 11 June, 2018, 08:14:56 PM
Had a quick look at the caliper today....the locking sliding things came out very easily and still had copper grease on but the caliper is jammed on the disc so will need the full works to remove it...the flexihose is a gonner so it will be all off and start from scratch. Had a result with the heater fan that was sounding like a coffee grinder I just swapped it for the spare that came with the car. The indicators don't work but the hazards do if you hold the switch in. The front sidelamp is not working because someone has cut the bulbholder off the loom??? Has anyone got a wiring diagram? the earth trees are in a poor state and will need reterminating.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 13 June, 2018, 05:50:00 PM
Hi all
Got the caliper off and freed up the pads regreased and back on.. the little car pushes around just fine...perhaps a test drive round the site is in order
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 15 June, 2018, 05:22:51 PM
Lashed out 5 on 2 bent bits of wire from Halfords so I can get the radio out as I have a Sony minidisc/radio to go in


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 20 June, 2018, 04:04:06 PM
Postman Pat delivered this today as the light switch stalk had been snapped off
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: SanRemo78 on 20 June, 2018, 07:49:26 PM
Familiar looking box? Supplier based in Berlin by any chance? I just had a pair of wheel arch liners delivered in something like than for the Alfa 159 Q4.. 34 for two including postage!
Guy


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 21 June, 2018, 03:54:59 PM
That will be them ...they carry a very good range of spares some of my marking fees will be heading their way
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 22 June, 2018, 07:45:08 AM
Quick job swap the radio??? no chance this is a Lancia...being 30 years + old the radio wiring is rudimentary and does not match up to the newer MD player I had doing nothing so I will have to spend a bit more time wiring it in properly not with @taped@ joints see pic
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 22 June, 2018, 07:17:06 PM
radio is in but stays on all the time as it needs to be powered via a switchable power source....5 minute job... bonus was a Paul Weller minidisc that had been left in by the ebay seller.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: DavidLaver on 24 June, 2018, 10:36:26 PM

You got me looking up minidisks - launched in 1999

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHwMWmTXziI


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 25 June, 2018, 06:52:00 AM
I'm just sad I have 2 MD walkmans, 2 MD/radios for cars, a MD autochanger for the car, a Sony MD mini Hi Fi system (4 from a car boot sale) and a full size Sony Hi Fi deck. I prefer them as you can only squeeze about 5 albums on at the most rather than 20 zillion like a MP3 player so you can actually find what you want to listen to. Can't wait to get the autochanger set up!!!
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 27 June, 2018, 06:28:42 PM
A gallon of petrol, a quick charge up of the battery, connect the choke cable, clean out the filter and bodge the air filter clip...started first go. I knew it ran but after 10 laps of the unit taken carefully as the brake pedal has no travel and only a slight bit of retardation?? master cylinder?? the little beast was ticking over nicely. The electric fan was cutting in but the gauge stayed in the middle and we had no boiling over...
First impressions...it is nice to have a Lancia that starts and runs...bumpy a bit noisy but great fun..I had forgotten how tiny these cars are. However good things must come to an end..at the Clarkey Chicane I missed getting into 3rd from 2nd and being in neutral and going a bit fast jabbed the brakes so of course the dodgy caliper I loosened off last week developed a grip of death on the disc and the fun was over for now.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: DavidLaver on 27 June, 2018, 08:17:54 PM
Great news!!!


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 23 July, 2018, 08:24:59 AM
some pics of the 10 laps day... the car is running in the last picture honest...
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 10 September, 2018, 06:52:42 PM
might go up on Thursday for a play if it stays dry as big brother needs to come out and get put on a recovery wagon for a trip to Scarborough


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 20 September, 2018, 06:51:10 PM
Many thanks to Frank who made the trek to the North to drop of a set of alloys and some other spares for the Y10. When we were up moving the Appia I thought I could start the Y10 and give it a few laps of the circuit round the workshops...alas all I got was a loud click so stuck the battery on charge and manhandled the little beast out into the corridor and had another go once the Appia had been set on the way to Scarborough...still just a loud click...we rocked the car in gear but still no joy so the starter motor may have to come out.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: fay66 on 20 September, 2018, 11:10:33 PM
Many thanks to Frank who made the trek to the North to drop of a set of alloys and some other spares for the Y10. When we were up moving the Appia I thought I could start the Y10 and give it a few laps of the circuit round the workshops...alas all I got was a loud click so stuck the battery on charge and manhandled the little beast out into the corridor and had another go once the Appia had been set on the way to Scarborough...still just a loud click...we rocked the car in gear but still no joy so the starter motor may have to come out.
Bad earth?
Corroded Earth cable at car end, not unknown on Dedra of similar vintage.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 25 October, 2018, 07:44:16 PM
update
checked the battery and earth leads seemed fine except the battery lead connection on the starter was loose inside the solenoid casing so I extracted the motor... quite easy 3 bolts and the cables and will test it against a spare one that came with the car.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 26 October, 2018, 12:55:30 PM
Hi all
well the spare starter spun up quite well so a possibility...the original is a bit poorly as it draws a lot of current to pull in the solenoid and the motor spins slowly. They both have problems with the threaded studs coming out of the end of the solenoid being loose...I might have to take one apart.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 01 November, 2018, 07:30:17 PM
On closer inspection the original starter is in better condition so will give it a try tomorrow


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 13 November, 2018, 08:29:13 PM
back to square one...put the starter back in just clicking as before...
 >:(


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 14 November, 2018, 04:17:07 PM
Always one for a laugh when I left the Y10 to sulk on Sunday I was upset to find I was locked in at the Workshop site...rang the boys in blue and they said it did not class as an emergency and they did not keep a list of the keyholder so I should ring a locksmith...rang the site manager straight to answer phone...Hmmm sure someone will come in it was only 13.30....another hour and I was trying to think if I had left any tools in the unit as I had taken most of them to Scarborough so I could saw through the chain to get the padlock off. Matron however advised me to ring the Fire Brigade.  What a result they had me free in less than 5 minutes!
Clarkey alias The Hartlepool One


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: stanley sweet on 16 November, 2018, 11:49:35 AM
A quick run up with a bit of scaffold and you'd been over in no time.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 24 November, 2018, 08:43:11 PM
some good news Postman Pat has delivered a big heavy parcel...


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 26 November, 2018, 03:07:56 PM
Early Xmas present


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 26 November, 2018, 03:35:45 PM
more


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: Kevinlincs on 26 November, 2018, 09:47:29 PM
hope that solves the issues mate, nice to get pressies from the postie that are so useful  ;D


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 28 November, 2018, 09:55:31 AM
Santa's elves have been busy....the little beast turned over and fired up nice result!
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: DavidLaver on 28 November, 2018, 10:03:24 AM

BRILLIANT NEWS!!!    Id there a way to post video?   Perhaps on facebook and a link back.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: simonandjuliet on 28 November, 2018, 10:40:54 AM
Well done - just details now and an MOT .....


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 28 November, 2018, 03:01:20 PM
Hmmm change the front springs and shocks,sort the sticking caliper, new brake hoses, master cylinder, wheel cylinders, brake shoes, brake limiter, possibly the servo, steering column stalks, rear light lens, fix the sidelights, change the hazard warning switch, get the alloys refurbed and new tyres. patch a few holes up, new wiper blade, change the oil and filters, new top hose and new antifreeze, change gearbox oil, but most important get some decent speakers for the stereo!!!
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 09 January, 2019, 10:00:23 AM
Not much done of late as my dear old Mum who has been ill for some time has passed away so it will be a few weeks till everything is sorted...however E55 EBL had a late Christmas pressie to smarten the alloy wheels up with... a set of 4 new centre caps from Ebay.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 23 April, 2019, 11:41:09 AM
update
Just so the Y10 would not sulk I made an effort and started it up yesterday and had fun doing 3 point turns in the unit...boy the steering is heavy as I think some or all of the brakes are sticking on. I ran it long enough for the temperature gauge to reach the middle setting and the rad fan to cut in so should be OK for now.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 23 April, 2019, 11:45:42 AM
The steering is heavy at manoeuvring speed. I ran my Fire on the original 135 section tyres for a long time which helped.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 27 April, 2019, 10:29:54 PM
had a quick go at sorting the brakes so I can get the car moved...took the calipers off so I can clean and overhaul them when I noticed a split CV boot but I can leave this till the car gets home as I don't have a full set of tools on site


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 27 April, 2019, 10:32:22 PM
there's more...


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 03 May, 2019, 03:11:03 PM
Thank goodness for Ebay I was looking to buy a caliper as one was well seized and managed to get a new? one for 8 plus delivery result...should get the brakes sorted over the weekend and possibly get it trailered down to Scarborough next week. With the airline I blew out the other piston cleaned it up some new seals and we are good to go
Clarkey.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 13 May, 2019, 08:21:16 PM
Hmmm...can't get the bolt out that holds the clip that fastens the flexi hose to the hub...also the brake pipe is held onto the body by a cable tie I think there should be a clip that locks the flexi cable to the bracket in the wheelarch...as well as that the copper brake pipe has corroded to the banjo thing and the whole lot is turning so will have to give it a bit of heat...really wanted to get the brakes back together so I could move the car as I will be starting my exam marking in a couple of weeks...Arrgh
Clarkey
the minidisc player I fitted is great  :) :) :)


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 14 May, 2019, 06:30:26 PM
There's a metal "P" clip that bolts to the strut to hold the brake flexi pipe. I'll try and get a picture for you.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 14 May, 2019, 08:43:04 PM
Thanks Frank...are any new ones available? I think there might be one on the passenger side.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 15 May, 2019, 08:14:19 AM
Like this/


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 15 May, 2019, 07:10:21 PM
Nothing that sophisticated Tim. It's just a flat strip of tin wrapped round the flexi pipe, pinched together at the ends with a hole to bolt it to the strut. I haven't ever seen new ones but it would be simple enough to make.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 15 May, 2019, 07:27:54 PM
Like this.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: fay66 on 15 May, 2019, 10:26:48 PM
Like this.
The suggested new clips position can be seen top left holding the pipe to the bracket, with small hole showing.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 16 May, 2019, 10:49:50 AM
Fay is right it is the top left one... I've found a source on ebay so I'll buy a set of 4. The clip Frank mentions I can't get off as the bolt is seized a bit of heat when I get up there next week should shift it.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 16 May, 2019, 10:52:11 AM
If any one else needs some
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4X-CLASSIC-FIAT-500-126-900-600-BRAKE-PIPE-HOSE-CLIP-LANCIA-ALFA-ROMEO-X1-9/323313220957


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 16 May, 2019, 05:53:29 PM
I tried too post earlier but got booted out. I realised I was thinking of the attachment for the flexi hose itself rather than the journal to the brake pipe and acknowledged that Tim was correct.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 27 August, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
Moral use a spanner the right size...the flexipipe clips are off so I managed to get one caliper back on still need the heat on the flexi to metal brake pipe as the union is corroded to the copper pipe and threatening to snap it so  will have to go easy on that one.The new clips work a treat
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 30 September, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
Hi all
Managed to get the other caliper on after a bit of heat loosened the flexi to metal pipe union...will try and get the brakes bled this week.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 20 December, 2019, 03:57:17 PM
only a few months later!!! I managed to get all the front hoses and calipers back together and bled the front brakes single handed (Terry is in Vietnam!) using one of those very useful Gunson Eezibleed gadgets. The pedal felt a bit soft but a couple of pumps must of pushed the piston up against the pads and the pedal went firm. Must try and get a run round the block to give them a test. Dunno when...moving house soon but at least I will be only 30 minutes away.
Merry Xmas all
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: DavidLaver on 20 December, 2019, 05:17:13 PM

All progress is progress...  Hope the move goes smoothly.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 20 January, 2020, 06:56:07 PM
To make room for the sulking or is it hulking Appia the Y10 had to be put back on it's wheels and put through a 32 point turn to get it out into the corridor of the unit. We then tried to run it up and down the corridor but the combination of sticking rear brakes and not being able to tickover was very frustrating. I took a back wheel off and the drum is very reluctant to turn so it will have to come off. Question is the lumpy/non-existent tickover due to a) petrol gone off or b)a blocked jet?
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: DavidLaver on 20 January, 2020, 11:40:03 PM

Do you have an ultrasonic cleaning bath?  Can the carb be a "kitchen table" project rather than in the cold 100 miles from home?


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 21 January, 2020, 07:11:29 PM
Hi all
The drum has surrendered to a bashing from an aluminium club hammer and revealed the shoes looked to have been replaced but did not have a chamfer on the leading and trailing edges so making the drum a tight fit. After a bit more walloping with the hammer the drum was back on and with the wheel bolts lightly tightened the drum was quite free. So 10 laps of the compound later the brakes were functioning but the other rear drum was getting hot so that will need to come off sometime. Unfortunately 10 laps did not clear the blockage if there is one in the carb so question is can we drain the tank and clear the carb out and with some fresh petrol cure the cutting out after the engine has warmed up and the choke is pushed in.
Hi David
All the tools are now at the unit awaiting our move sometime around the end of the month so I will get a little playabout when the Appia is delivered on Friday.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 24 January, 2020, 07:13:42 PM
Definitely his best side...


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 24 January, 2020, 07:21:12 PM
Just a though has anyone got one of those alloys going spare...on his bad side he has a steel wheel from a Panda!!!


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 24 January, 2020, 07:23:05 PM
...and rear bumper?


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 25 January, 2020, 01:29:30 PM
I of course have some of those wheels spare and a (possibly new) spare back bumper. They are down in Bedfordshire but you they and much more are available. It might be worth a day trip.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 25 January, 2020, 09:48:14 PM
After the house move on the 31st I will have to persuade my mate Terry he needs to take his E Class Merc for a proper run out...


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 17 April, 2020, 07:10:52 PM
No news on the project I saw it today but was too busy joinering to give the poor thing any attention.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 29 April, 2020, 08:37:05 PM
Managed a 3 mile drive round the unit as it is about .3 of a mile right round it so was 10 laps...bit lumpy and the brakes are not very good servo not working? still the little beast got a nice run about before it started raining. Also had a go at swapping out the hazard warning switch as it was jamming and the flasher unit was going haywire Noticed all the dashboard lights bar one had given up the ghost so will change the bulbs out before I put the dash back together.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 02 May, 2020, 09:18:20 PM
A picture tells a thousand words


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 02 May, 2020, 09:24:36 PM
the piccy needs viewing from the side on...needed 6 little bulbs and I lost one of the screws down the inside of the steering column...will find it tomorrow as I will probably change the column stalks as the light one has snapped off. Good news a quick clean of the bulb contacts and all 4 indicators work apart from one side indicator, the hazards are working thanks to Franks new switch so just need to sort the drivers side side/head lights and change the rear passenger lens. New wipers and tyres will be next.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 May, 2020, 11:03:44 AM
It's interesting that it seems to be the brown plastic stalks that snap. Both the cars I have broken with brown interiors had snapped steering collumn stalks but none of the black plastic ones have suffered in this way.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 03 May, 2020, 07:45:33 PM
Next job


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 04 May, 2020, 08:36:01 PM
These resistor things get hot and smokey with the ignition left on what are they for? And as for these 'earth' trees I will have to come up with a better solution.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 04 May, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
new light cluster... no reversing light on this one and it needed a separate earth for the rear fog to work...luckily a previous custodian had done this for the one I took off Result!


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 05 May, 2020, 11:24:54 AM
I have always assumed the resistor things are to produce the variable speed for the ventilation fan (the one above the heater works) and the wipers (the one on the strut turret. I've never known them to get hot  and, assuming they are what I think they are, there shouldn't be any power to them unless the wipers or ventilation fan are operating.

The rear light without a reversing light is interesting too. Did it come from abroad? I can't think I've seen a UK car without reversing lights on both sides. Even the poverty spec one for sale on e-bay at the moment has two. My spares have a reversing light but I'm scraping the barrel for unbroken ones now.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 05 May, 2020, 02:15:26 PM
Forgot about the wipers...will check to see where the switch is at. The fan works on speed 1 and speed 3 so that might get changed not sure about the wipers I seem to remember them working when the car first landed will get some new blades and get them checked out as well as the washers.The rear light I bought in the UK still in it's box (or a box) There is no bulbholder inside so only one reverse light strange...
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 05 May, 2020, 05:09:14 PM
I've done some checking too. The one on the heater motor is fan speed. You say yours works on 1 and 3. It's usually 1 and 2 with 3 being the one that always fails. I have an impression it is something inside the switch because I was told always to save a switch that worked on all three speeds.

The one on the strut top mount comes isn't the wipers. Mine came live on dipped headlights and having interrogated the wiring diagram it appears to be part of the headlight dim/dip circuitry.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 05 May, 2020, 05:29:37 PM
That makes more sense as I was working on the drivers side headlamp...the fan might indeed be the switch not sure if losing the second speed is a major disaster but would be an easy fix now I know how to get the dash to bits!


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: eog on 06 May, 2020, 09:13:25 AM

The rear light without a reversing light is interesting too. Did it come from abroad? I can't think I've seen a UK car without reversing lights on both sides. Even the poverty spec one for sale on e-bay at the moment has two. My spares have a reversing light but I'm scraping the barrel for unbroken ones now.
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Not certain but I think it might have been c 1986 that rear fog lights were introduced, Often installed at the loss of a reversing light.  An older or R/L H D taillight may account for lack of reverse/ fog light.
Others may have a better memory!


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 06 May, 2020, 09:13:06 PM
There is no fitting for a bulb where the reversing light should be so who knows what was going on. On another matter was about to order a cambelt, tensioner and waterpump kit but having been told the engine was from a Panda 4 x4 I compared the kits for the different engines and found that the 156 3a  (50bhp at 5,500 rpm) engine has a different kit from the 45bhp standard engine. Anyone know why? All I could think of was the 4 x4 version would be given a lot more stick 'off road' and the water pump was beefed up a bit. To satisfy my curiosity I checked the engine number and it is a 156 A3.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 24 May, 2020, 06:11:26 PM
Ordered some parts from Germany including new wipers so once the unit was sorted I spent an hour or so getting the wipers and washers sorted. So we had good news followed by bad news followed by hope. Any way the German wipers went straight on with out so much as a broken fingernail strait out of the box. Washed the front and back screens...connected the battery and result both wipers working although should the back one self park? Onto the washers, I had to consult the manual to check I was doing it right and the outcome was no washers front or back...so under the bonnet I could see one of those earth trees looking very sorry for itself so I wire brushed the spade contacts and nipped up the push on connectors to no effect. So I took the washer bottle out after a struggle with disconnecting the wires as they were corroded on so badly they snapped off dagnabit. Out on the bench (more correctly in the sink) a quick swish out of the old washer fluid and a quick flash of 12 volts across the truncated connectors produced a ceiling high squirt of water on both pumps. So the question is can I solder a wire to what is left of the spade connector on each pump and rewire the push on connectors or will it be a new washer bottle?
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 24 May, 2020, 06:27:54 PM
You don't need a washer bottle if you can't attach a wire. The pumps just press in with a rubber grommet. New ones are cheap and readily available. I just did mine. Find them on e-bay under Fiat Seicento.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 24 May, 2020, 08:10:40 PM
Thanks Frank will look asap
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 26 May, 2020, 08:12:23 PM
I managed to get a new washer pump as my local motor factors had one listed for a Ducato van and another one is on the way tomorrow...I previously purchased a new column switch gear set and had a go at fitting it yesterday but found that the original column stalks had 6 connectors and the new one only has 5! A quick skeg at the wiring diagrams did not show up the extra wires (red/black and red/green) however today I discovered at the back of the diagrams folded under was a supplementary RHD wiring diagram showing the peculiarities for the UK market. Anyone remember Dim Dip lights? according to the diagram an extra column stalk was provide to operate this feature and that was what the 2 extra wires were for so I think we can have another go at replacing the old one.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 26 May, 2020, 09:41:03 PM
some piccies


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 27 May, 2020, 01:00:53 PM
Mine all have 5 wiring connectors. Dim / dip is on the light stalk which moves up and down once it has been rotated to put the headlights on. You should have wipers with washers on the right, indicators nearest the wheel on the left and the lighting stalk behind the indicators on the left. Here are some pictures of a spare set attached to the harness. I can do more digging if this doesn't help.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 27 May, 2020, 08:24:38 PM
Hi all
After spending all day refitting the pumps and rewiring the connectors all the new pumps did was make a loud buzzing noise...so I checked they were pumping OK by fitting a length of pipe to each one and hey presto lovely jets of screenwash. So it was the pipework where I found lurking a non return valve that was a bunged up non working non return valve. A quick trip to the motor factors for a new valve and some pipe and we have a functioning windscreen washer. The back one can wait for now.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 28 May, 2020, 09:26:14 AM
On the column stalks, having done more research, it isn't an additional stalk for dim / dip but an alternative stalk set with an extra contact in the lighting stalk. The ones I pictured were from a C reg car so predate the dim / dip set up. From studying the wiring diagrams all the regular lighting wiring is common to both setups so the dim / dip circuitry looks like it could be ignored. However, some of the wires in the regular lighting circuit pass through different positions on the connector blocks. (I had this with Dedra lighting stalks where I had three different stalks with the same connector block but different wiring. Annoyingly if you plugged in the wrong stalk it blew the internal lights which was what I was trying to fix.) 

Getting a UK, dim / dip stalk set may prove difficult. As an alternative I would suggest shifting the wiring pins on the new stalk set to correctly tie into the loom and ignoring the dim / dip set up. If the connector blocks are different, as the wiring diagram suggests they might be, you could move the wires to the block salvaged from the old stalk set so it plugs in to the loom.

All this also explains why early cars don't have the resistor mounted on the offside front suspension turret.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 28 May, 2020, 10:14:24 AM
Thanks for the info Frank it looks to me as the dim dip malarkey is separate from the rest of the light stalks so when I get a minute I will swap it out strange my car has the wiring but no extra stalk???


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 28 May, 2020, 06:40:26 PM
As I say, there is no extra stalk. You are misinterpreting the information. It's an "alternative" stalk assembly, still with the same three stalks but with an extra contact in the base of the lighting stalk which emerges as your sixth connector block. I think the new assembly should do everything you need. You just need to be sure the right wires from the stalk assembly go to the right wires in the loom. you have highlighted for me that my spare NOS stalk assembly is a non dim/dip one so if I have to fit it I too will have to alter the wiring.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 31 May, 2020, 09:17:20 PM
Thanks for the info Frank...decided to move the little beast so I can get at the CV joint...Phew it is heavy when you have to do it on your own plus it is tight through the doors as I had to take it out and turn it round. After that I tackled the rear wash wipe with limited success as our friend the non return valve was stuck again. Good new is after a bit of refilling of the washer reservoir :-[ we got water to the back window and just need to sort out the non return valve that was hiding in plain site the little scamp see pics.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 31 May, 2020, 09:21:20 PM
Had a quick look at the DIM DIP malarkey and I can't detect any extra position for the dim dip on the lighting stalk so does it come on when the sidelights are switched on and on my car it is busted? I can feel the resistor on the wing getting warm but haven't checked out the rest of the circuitry yet.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 01 June, 2020, 12:14:17 PM
No extra position to my knowledge. That suggests that whatever it does is automatic but powered from the normal main and dip beam positions. I confess the whole set up is rather mystifying to me. The wiring diagram shows the circuitry to involve the pulse generator for the speedometer. I'd unplug the 6th wiring connector in the existing set up and see if you still have main and dipped beam. If so I wonder if the MOT man would notice anything wrong?


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 01 June, 2020, 01:00:15 PM
Reading the blurb from back in the day it seems the dim dip would come on when the sidelights are switched on and the engine is running so you could leave the normal sidelights on if you were parked. This suggests my system is not working correctly  (might need to check with the engine running) I doubt the MOT man is going to notice as it behaves just like a non dim dip car at the moment.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 03 June, 2020, 09:20:21 AM
An update on the dim dip/DRL is that daylight running lights are not part of the MOT and should not be tested
see  https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/common-mistakes-made-by-mot-testers/
That is the good news so I think I will leave as is for now...not so good news the side indicators on the front wing are tested and one of mine is not working...will it be a 5 minute or 5 hour job? we will see
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 June, 2020, 10:09:53 AM
You may need to remove the arch liner to get the side repeater out. That should be two self tapping screws low down, one ahead of the strut and one to the rear, after which you can wrestle the arch liner out. If you are lucky though you may be able to prise the side repeater out from the exterior. From the back of the light the cables go up through the top rear of the inner wing into the space where you did the welding by the battery. There is a connector block in there on my car so potentially another thing to check.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 June, 2020, 06:10:44 PM
As mine is in pieces at present I took some pictures so you can see what makes up the side repeater.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 03 June, 2020, 07:56:21 PM
Thanks for the info Frank...Looks like a try from the outside first after checking there is 12v at the cable connectors near the inner wing.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 06 June, 2020, 04:39:19 PM
Hi all
Fixed the rear washer by taking the tiny ball bearing out (it dropped on the floor and will never be seen again) of the non return valve as it all comes apart with careful manhandling the plastic is quite strong and flexible. Result!
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 06 June, 2020, 06:30:29 PM
I have some spares so I'll have to organise a red cross parcel for next time I'm coming up your way.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 14 June, 2020, 05:23:36 PM
As the Appia block was now removed I set to work to get the Y10 repeat indicator light on the drivers front wing working. Amazingly the 2 self tappers in the wheel arch holding the liner in place unscrewed and we were able to get to the back of the bulb fitting. Behind the liner was in fairly good nick so that was a nice find. After a bit of faffing about it seems the bulb contacts were corroded so a good scrape and a similar treatment of the wire connection on the new bulb and we were in business. So next we had a go at the hub nut as the CV boot is shot...a suitable length of socketry (30mm) and the trolley jack handle had it loosened ready for the next phase. As I was under the car I had a quick scope of the other joints and bushes and they are all shot so a major overhaul is needed to pass the MOT.
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 14 June, 2020, 05:26:00 PM
just to prove it is working...the last picture is with everything back together...not a bad job but if those selftappers had not come out...


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 14 June, 2020, 05:34:12 PM
One other thing I had a look into over the weekend was refurbishing the set of alloy wheels Frank kindly sold me. It always worries me when the sons of toil start rubbing their chins and start making Hmm noises but even I was shocked when a local wheel company wanted 320 to do the wheels... I had to point out to him I only paid 250 for the car to hear him say 'Aye that can happen' he suggested I just get them powder coated in one colour but 190 for this was still a bit rich so we decided not to give them the work. There is an outfit on my estate that does this so I will see what they can come up with.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 06 July, 2020, 06:16:34 AM
Finally bit the bullet and got the wheels tidied up and a set of tyres that are not cracked and dangerous...I think we got the colour wrong but for 220 with new tyres who cares!
Clarkey


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: frankxhv773t on 06 July, 2020, 10:16:21 AM
Interestingly that's the colour of the standard wheels on my 1995 Dedra. Here are pictures of Y10 and Dedra wheels for comparison.


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: lancianut666 on 08 July, 2020, 02:28:07 PM
When I went to see Pete the Wheel we agreed to do the wheels in an anthracite colour but they have ended up grey...look a lot smarter though especially with the new wheel centres  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: E55 LBR the parallel project
Post by: fay66 on 08 July, 2020, 06:31:31 PM
While it is nice to see Y10, Dedra and Thema Wheels refurbished, and I appreciate the cost, but I feel its such a shame when the wheel are painted rather than diamond cut and lacquered.
Note the highlights of the Y10 diamond cut wheels and the anthracite paint in the recesses, as well as in the wheel bolt recesses, that in my opinion are what make these wheels so special, rather than being finished in one colour.
Frequently the recessed paintwork is in good condition and do not require repainting.
Brian
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