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« Reply #15 on: 20 October, 2016, 11:44:30 AM »

Let's go further, you just take your Fulvia along to a local 3d print shop who produce an exact copy of the shell which has an electric motor in it instead Smiley

Then, you can drive the electric Fulvia as an every day car and keep the original for the weekends.

Maybe the club just creates some 'pool' electric Lancias and they self drive between members so we can have a go in each model Smiley

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« Reply #16 on: 20 October, 2016, 01:17:18 PM »

maybe you won't be driving it either - check out this Tesla video - its a brave new world that requires brave 'passengers'

https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware-0
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« Reply #17 on: 30 October, 2016, 02:21:43 PM »

The only modern car I currently desire is a BMW I3, and I don't even like BMWs.
Imagine if the I3 were the latest Lancia. It even has forward opening rear doors. A genuinely modern car just the way Lancia's used to be in their hay day.
Definitely the future, assuming the batteries get cheaper, by no means a certainty.

Tesla's stated aim is to make the combustion engine obsolete in the next 10 to 15 years.
I can definitely see the time when our old cars are considered anti social, with nowhere to buy petrol and banned from urban areas.

That's why I use my Fulvia and Gamma as much as possible while I still can. Just been into Bristol in the Fulvia and as compelling and efficient the electric motor is, electric cars will never be as engaging or fun.
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« Reply #18 on: 30 October, 2016, 11:12:37 PM »

maybe you won't be driving it either - check out this Tesla video - its a brave new world that requires brave 'passengers'

https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware-0

I fail to see the point in buying cars that you can't drive yourself, you might as well go by taxi or bus.
By the time this happens I'll have fallen off the perch or not worried be anyway!

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« Reply #19 on: 31 October, 2016, 02:37:25 PM »

On the subject of the BMW i3:

I can only encourage all of you to take a test drive in an i3 at your BMW dealer. The experience is unique, for a city car.
And the dealer will be happy to let you drive it!

I have been driving my i3 now for 18 months, and have done 11000 kilometers with it, with no problem at all.
When I have friends coming to stay, we always take it for a drive, and all of them have been impressed.

Of course, it is not for everyone, and it is expensive. But if it fits your needs and your location (limited range, necessary to have a home charging station) it is a game changer!

PS: this does not mean I do not drive or enjoy my Lancias anymore!  Smiley

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« Reply #20 on: 26 July, 2017, 11:55:32 AM »

So here's today's story on no more new petrol/diesel cars by 2040 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40723581

Also : The German car maker, BMW, is to build a fully electric version of the Mini in Oxford. The Government said the decision was a vote of confidence in its industrial strategy.

Thought for the day :

If someone can 3D print a 2L twin-cam shape but with an electric motor inside ( and a fuel tank shaped battery and a exhaust pipe loudspeaker ) then I'll be able to instantly convert the integrale and keep it going for ever Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: 26 July, 2017, 01:53:45 PM »

Yes, I panicked a bit when I heard it. Then I realised that the sale of petrol and diesel will be banned in 23 years. Those sold in 23 years time will need fuel through their lifetimes so I figured me and my trusty Fulvia will pretty much disappear off the road together. Shame for the next generation who will never hear an Italian exhaust note in an Alpine tunnel. What will become not only of our cars, but of all those Bugatti 35's, 3 litre Bentleys etc, etc? Just family heirlooms to go and look at sometimes and make 'Brrm, brrm' noises? Will their be special fuel allowances at circuits for historic racing? Then there's the whole support industry of specialists who restore or make all those obscure bits. That's progress I suppose. The horse had its time, now the internal combustion engine has more or less run its course. It's provided some great entertainment along the way.
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« Reply #22 on: 26 July, 2017, 02:20:58 PM »


At a hill climb someone told me that the dope fuel was cheaper than petrol - as he wasn't paying duty on it - I don't see fuel as a big issue.

Out in the lanes of Kent they'll still be old cars mixing it with the bikes and horses and walkers. 

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« Reply #23 on: 26 July, 2017, 02:42:04 PM »

Lots of people across the UK and beyond still manage to run outmoded transport solutions that are both expensive and polluting... horses! What's more, horses pollute even when you're not driving or riding them.

And you can run a steam traction engine (coal/coke-fired boiler) etc. etc.

Our old cars will be similar in category, I would suspect.
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« Reply #24 on: 26 July, 2017, 04:00:02 PM »

Strange thing is, for decades they haven't given a toss about 747's skimming peoples houses on the way to Heathrow. That noise and pollution is OK it seems for peoples health. Of course, the electricity to power the new generation of cars will come from the magic electricity tree (just next to the magic money tree).
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« Reply #25 on: 26 July, 2017, 04:37:04 PM »

As a new member of the LMC I never imagined my first post would be about electric cars...

Don't panic stanley sweet - they are only proposing to ban the sale of new diesel/petrol vehicles, there will still be a massive fleet that will need fuel for at least a decade after 2040

A few other things to consider;

1. How many new Chinese nuclear stations will the country need to power the new fleets of vehicles? We are already close to maximum generating capacity now so brown outs will become commonplace if they don't start building additional generating and transmission capacity NOW.

2. Who is going to co-ordinate and fund the huge charging network required? God help the country if we rely on the govt, given their track record on choosing "winners and losers" regarding technology and getting things delivered on time or budget.

3. Who is going to fund the loss of tax revenue the govt currently gets from the oil sector? Can't imagine any political party will stomach a general tax increase, so expect the price of power to rise substantially in the future. - so don't expect electric transport to be "cheap" in the future.

23 days, let alone 23 years, is a long time in politics and given the speed of technical developments the future of transport is likely to be a hybrid (please excuse the pun) of gas, oil and electricity, probably using fuel cell technology rather than batteries.



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« Reply #26 on: 26 July, 2017, 04:45:39 PM »

"Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in for me!"

Up goes the cry from the classic/vintage/veteran owners, but I suspect the LMC, all other UK car clubs plus the FBHVC and similar European groups will state and if needs be negotiate on all our behalfs to ensure our cars are allowed to be used (no doubt with restrictions) ad infinitum. There will be a long transition period, I suspect 10-20 further years and as the percentage of all electric cars etc increase from 0.3% of the current market to 30/50/70% as we near 2040 the more oil will be left for all the combustion engines out there....Smiley, ie it will never run out, so our sons, grand daughters can happily inherit the vehicular family heirlooms!


There are approx 1/2 million classics out there, about 75% are on the road, so compared to number of vehicles on the road, approx 37 million, its quite a small percentage.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/classiccars/7398696/Classic-car-enthusiasts-profiled.html

So its a question of the owners and users of older cars not being treated like social pariahs just because we use/run and old vehicle. Hoping some sanity prevails as the years pass!


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« Reply #27 on: 28 July, 2017, 08:13:33 AM »

I think the comments about relocating the pollution to fossil fuels power stations is wide of the mark as renewable electricity sources are rapidly on the rise. The. Inception of retro fitting electric power trains to classic cars is Interesting but I wonder if it will be possible to maintain the weight distribution to retain good handling characteristics. For me the real environmental question centres on production of sufficient lithium and copper.
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« Reply #28 on: 28 July, 2017, 05:58:30 PM »

At a Greenwich "park it in the market" monthly meet there was a Moggie Minor with an electric conversion.  He kept the gearbox so he could use a smaller motor and he'd got the weight the same as the original full of fuel.  Some batteries up front, some under the boot floor. 

I just tried to find it and found loads - but not that one...

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« Reply #29 on: 28 July, 2017, 05:59:53 PM »


http://londonelectriccars.com/

...and photos from Greenwhich:

https://www.facebook.com/LondonElectricCars/
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