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« Reply #15 on: 23 June, 2016, 08:41:29 AM »

Here's a picture of teh worn hub. The ridge is quite apparent in this photo and stands ~0.5 mm proud.


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« Reply #16 on: 23 June, 2016, 03:03:01 PM »

I had this on a Fulvia. Can only assume the bearing retaining nut was not tight and allowed the bearing to move around on the two inner races. No (economic) solution but to get another hub.
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« Reply #17 on: 23 June, 2016, 03:58:23 PM »

Yep... I reckon it was the drive shaft nut that wasn't correctly torqued up. It came off with too much ease, but I don't really have anything to benchmark it against. Not that you can really tell, but I get the impression that the wheel bearing is the original as there is no sign of damage to the teeth on the large retaining ring that holds the bearing in the upright.

I've got feelers out for a replacement hub and some people have already responded (Thanks for your support), as yet, I don't know if anyone has what I need so I'd be grateful if anyone can offer me something from their pile of old car parts.
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« Reply #18 on: 23 June, 2016, 06:10:06 PM »

In desperation you might like to consider an old-time bodge that in my youth I resorted to with a Wolseley Hornet Special. This was before I had discovered the delights of Lancia ownership. The front hubs had worn yet the bearings were OK, but good replacement hubs were completely unobtainable. The solution was to wash all the grease out of the bearings and solder them into the steel hubs, clean it all up and then refill the bearings with grease. It worked. Purists would object, but what the hell!

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« Reply #19 on: 23 June, 2016, 07:28:11 PM »

In desperation you might like to consider an old-time bodge that in my youth I resorted to with a Wolseley Hornet Special. This was before I had discovered the delights of Lancia ownership. The front hubs had worn yet the bearings were OK, but good replacement hubs were completely unobtainable. The solution was to wash all the grease out of the bearings and solder them into the steel hubs, clean it all up and then refill the bearings with grease. It worked. Purists would object, but what the hell!

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Brilliant .... necessity is the mother of invention!!!

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« Reply #20 on: 24 June, 2016, 07:02:13 PM »

I have a used pair of hubs with discs attached in my auto jumble, which I think are s1 Fulvia @ 130 pair including UK post  


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« Reply #21 on: 24 June, 2016, 07:19:59 PM »

I'm told that the hubs that I need are unique to the 815 Flavia series... thanks anyway.
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« Reply #22 on: 08 July, 2016, 02:29:38 PM »

See video clip... Wheel bearing replaced and new (second hand but better) wheel hub inserted. Still not happy about the amount of free play that there seems to be in the bearing. Does anyone have experience to say whether this is normal. Is it possible that torqueing up the driveshaft nut will exert a "squeeze" on the inner race of the bearing that will remove this free play.

https://youtu.be/4axp-l7fGWM

Worried that I've spent all this money and the MoT man will still want to fail it!?
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« Reply #23 on: 08 July, 2016, 02:48:11 PM »

Mike

you need to torque up the driveshaft then the play should go away completely. 200ftlb...same for bearing retainer nut.
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« Reply #24 on: 08 July, 2016, 03:22:56 PM »

Thanks... that's reassuring to know. I'll aim to have it all re-assembled tomorrow (if the wife allows me time off for good behaviour) and will let you know how it goes. I've got a 1.5 metre length of pole so even an 80Kg wimp like me should be able to generate 200 lb/ft of torque.
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« Reply #25 on: 09 July, 2016, 04:57:06 PM »

All re-assembled and driveshaft nut on and torqued up to over 30 KgM (probably nearer to 35KgM as I was just measuring it with a 1.5 metre bar and exerting 20+ kg of pressure on the end of the bar using old bathroom scales to measure the force.

Still got free play in the wheel. Not too bad when hands held at 3 and 9 o'clock, but MoT failure free play when wobbled with hands at 12 and 6 o'clock. I've torque up as high as I dare. Tightening the drive shaft nut any more would be a problem due to the position of the nut and the locking pin on the spacer

Top ball joint was replaced last year and bottom ball joint seemed fine when it was all dismantled. Only anomaly that I've had is that I can't get grease into the top ball joint (Tried with weight on and off wheels). It took some massive amounts of force to split the top ball joint so it might have suffered some damage, but that seems unlikely to cause the amount of free play that is still in the wheel.

Tired and frustrated. Any ideas about what I might be missing?

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« Reply #26 on: 10 July, 2016, 07:13:41 AM »

There were some incorrectly manufactured bearings that the inner races bottomed out before the bearing was correctly "formed". Just a thought. Dave gee had this problem and being an engineer had a microscopic amount ground off the inner races but the bearing still only lasted a matter of hundreds of miles.
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« Reply #27 on: 10 July, 2016, 08:12:36 AM »

I couldn't face (or really afford right now) replacing the bearing again.  Huh?
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1983 Gamma Coupe (manual)
1993 Thema VIS
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1990 Thema 2.8
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