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Author Topic: 2000hf pressure plate stuck to flywheel  (Read 5773 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 17 June, 2015, 08:33:42 PM »

I reckon you will have to open it up.
I had a similar problem with my tractor!
Good Luck
                Ben


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« Reply #16 on: 19 June, 2015, 10:11:57 AM »

Latest update...

I changed the clutch cable suspecting that the cable may have stretched and because I had a spare in the boot!

The manuals specify four measurements:

1)   Release arm free play: 5-7mm
2)   Distance from release arm to cable bracket: approx. 120mm
3)   Distance from rubber grommet to cable casing when clutch pedal depressed fully: 10mm
4)   Clutch pedal free play: 20-25mm

I can achieve 1), 2) and 3) but 2) is 140mm not 120mm. In this state I cannot select 1st, Reverse, 2nd gears
With cable free play reduced (eradicated) I can select first/reverse with engine running but clutch slips.
When installing new clutch cable I screwed it in until the end of the cable could go no further. Fitting on clutch pedal is a 3 sided bracket with screw hole.


 


Does the fact that I can select gears if the cable is tightened suggest that the cable installation is incorrect?
Any advice/input appreciated


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« Reply #17 on: 19 June, 2015, 05:00:05 PM »

1. Did you offer up the two cables to see dimensional differences?
2. Can you get any clutch operation if adjusted somewhere between 0 (ie no play) and 5mm ?
3. I assume the arm is not slipping on the splines?
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« Reply #18 on: 19 June, 2015, 05:12:10 PM »

Still coming to terms with the "tractor in bits" photo, it's like someone chopped it in half !

Sorry to digress ......
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« Reply #19 on: 19 June, 2015, 06:54:25 PM »

1. Did you offer up the two cables to see dimensional differences?
2. Can you get any clutch operation if adjusted somewhere between 0 (ie no play) and 5mm ?
3. I assume the arm is not slipping on the splines?

Tim,
The new cable was approx 15mm shorter which raised my hopes no end and made me think that the old cable had stretched. However, the new cable when installed had the correct gap when the clutch depressed of 10mm but still is 140mm from bracket to release arm fork instead of 120mm as per the manual.
The clutch works if the cable tightened (no free play, taut) but I have a choice of can change gear/clutch slipping or cannot engage gear/clutch operates normally.

I suspect there is something simple I could be missing. My other thought was that was I correct to screw the cable as far as I could into the pedal bracket?
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« Reply #20 on: 19 June, 2015, 09:30:28 PM »

1. Did you offer up the two cables to see dimensional differences?
2. Can you get any clutch operation if adjusted somewhere between 0 (ie no play) and 5mm ?
3. I assume the arm is not slipping on the splines?

Did you check Number 3 as that's what was my initial thought?

Brian
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« Reply #21 on: 19 June, 2015, 09:52:44 PM »

Still coming to terms with the "tractor in bits" photo, it's like someone chopped it in half !

Sorry to digress ......


That photograph gives me a slightly uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach !!!

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« Reply #22 on: 19 June, 2015, 10:31:08 PM »

1. Did you offer up the two cables to see dimensional differences?
2. Can you get any clutch operation if adjusted somewhere between 0 (ie no play) and 5mm ?
3. I assume the arm is not slipping on the splines?

Did you check Number 3 as that's what was my initial thought?

Brian
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I will check #3 and report back
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« Reply #23 on: 20 June, 2015, 07:03:41 AM »

Still coming to terms with the "tractor in bits" photo, it's like someone chopped it in half !

Sorry to digress ......


That photograph gives me a slightly uncomfortable feeling in the pit of my stomach !!!

                                    Andy

Very nice Fergie all the same Cheesy

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« Reply #24 on: 20 June, 2015, 02:29:25 PM »

1. Did you offer up the two cables to see dimensional differences?
2. Can you get any clutch operation if adjusted somewhere between 0 (ie no play) and 5mm ?
3. I assume the arm is not slipping on the splines?

Hi Tim, I think that option 3 is the one.
Checked the clutch cable this morning and set to specified free play of cable and pedal. Bottom line is that distance from release arm head to bracket holding clutch cable is 140mm whereas it should be 120mm. Assume that the release arm has jumped/moved to move the head by 20mm. If the clutch release arm head is 20mm closer the clutch will work correctly and the cable/pedals will be the correct tolerances.
I have the car booked into my Epping garage next Wednesday so I hope they can fix it fairly quickly. Obviously, I need to consider why this has happened. Have you heard of this before??
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