Lancia Motor Club Forum Banner
22 May, 2022, 02:34:26 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Need to contact the Forum Administrator? e-mail forum.admin@lanciamc.co.uk, for Database Administrator e-mail database.admin@lanciamc.co.uk      -      Copy deadline for Viva Lancia is 12th of each month.      -      For Events e-mail events@lanciamc.co.uk      -      To Join the club go to http://www.lanciamc.co.uk/join.htm
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Register  
Pages: 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 9 10   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: rat or restore  (Read 39057 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
chugga boom
Non-LMC Seller
Permanent resident
**
Posts: 1754



« Reply #60 on: 06 April, 2014, 06:19:29 PM »

Well James, I read this very interesting discussion that indeed seems to at least 'free' some heavy emotions.
Well I still have my first Lancia ever, a 1980 Beta coupé 2000, and I restored it extensively inside and out, everything new.  The story is: i still have it, and have driven it for 4km's in 20 years, because I did'nt want it to deteriorate.  Now THAT is real car agbuse I can tell you.  So my advise would be: USE IT!
I intend to put the Beta on the road and not care about it seeing some rain, as nog it's just a sad car in storage.
And for my furgoncino: I intend to do the same: do the necessary welding and see it will not deteriorate, and use it.

My daily driver is a Thema 1st series 8V turbo in winter and a Gamma Saloon for vthe summer do I feel bad about it? not very often.
So you have my full support, cars are made to be driven, not to be stored.
thankyou and totally agree  Smiley
Logged

1935 augusta lusso (chugga)
1935 belna saloon
1935 augusta lusso
1938 ardenne
1939 aprilia lusso
1958 appia s2
1963 appia s3 
195? appia camioncino
1972 fulvia 1600HF
1976 fulvia coupe
194? ardea SUV  "THE BEAST!!!"
chugga boom
Non-LMC Seller
Permanent resident
**
Posts: 1754



« Reply #61 on: 06 April, 2014, 06:31:53 PM »

James, you say you will treat the scuttle of your car "properly, not with cure rust rubbish". Is there a simple treatment you recommend for surface rust?
In the past I have used (not by choice) and witnessed others using cure rust products, this will often cause micro blisters in paint afterwards (not immediately but fairly quickly ) my uncle was a metallurgist and always told us to prevent rust or stop it getting worse it needs to be starved of oxygen / air , the simplest way of doing this is with a good quality cavity wax such as Wurth products, what I find is that the wurth product is so thin that it runs between seems on body panels before it solidifies therefore stopping any water or air getting into seams , there is great debate at the moment about chemical stripping of cars which is acid based, when the car is dipped the acid runs into seams and is trapped, as soon as water/ air comes into contact with it it will burst out in rust bubbles, trust me I've seen it happen on a MK2 escort that was done, I use either a shutz gun or I also have a proper cavity wax gun with lances and drill holes out of sight and fill box sections in the car until its running out of seams, the 1600HF we have just finished had 1ltr in each sill alone, a total of 6 ltrs were put into the car and probably 2 ran back out of it, waxoil is very good but not thin enough to run into seems and I tend to use that underneath where its good for a thick protective covering, its very simple but very effective , sounds too good to be true but honestly works,  Smiley
Logged

1935 augusta lusso (chugga)
1935 belna saloon
1935 augusta lusso
1938 ardenne
1939 aprilia lusso
1958 appia s2
1963 appia s3 
195? appia camioncino
1972 fulvia 1600HF
1976 fulvia coupe
194? ardea SUV  "THE BEAST!!!"
Lapsed Cesare Ferrari
Lapsed
Senior Member
*****
Posts: 116



« Reply #62 on: 06 April, 2014, 06:41:44 PM »

James, thank you. Does that mean that if rust shows on the surface of a hidden flat panel one should simply apply a layer of the wax product sufficient to cover the rusty-looking portion?
Logged
Parisien
Administrator
Permanent resident
*****
Posts: 4078



« Reply #63 on: 06 April, 2014, 06:46:40 PM »

Done the same before James with Dinitrol, cavity and surface proofing...well worth doing ( regularly mind you) and so much cheaper than cutting out and putting in new metal again! Plus will do same soon to B12 when bodywork completed.


P
Logged

Frank Gallagher
chugga boom
Non-LMC Seller
Permanent resident
**
Posts: 1754



« Reply #64 on: 06 April, 2014, 07:31:54 PM »

James, thank you. Does that mean that if rust shows on the surface of a hidden flat panel one should simply apply a layer of the wax product sufficient to cover the rusty-looking portion?
if its a panel that cannot be cleaned due to lack of access then yes, if the rust can be cleaned off then do so, etch prime and either wax or seal with a good wax underseal or cavity wax, example : fulvia front wings between the arch and A post cannot be reached without removal of front wings, there will be rust down the due to lack of factory paint, I feed the plastic lance off the cavity wax gun down there and running flat out move forwards and backwards and up slowly if you get what I meen, as the solvent evaporates moisture condenses on the outside of the wing (painted surface) so gives a very good indication of the area covered by wax (that its uniform and no where is missed), the wax naturally runs down so starting from the bottom up it just keeps running down into the most vunerable areas where water collects
Logged

1935 augusta lusso (chugga)
1935 belna saloon
1935 augusta lusso
1938 ardenne
1939 aprilia lusso
1958 appia s2
1963 appia s3 
195? appia camioncino
1972 fulvia 1600HF
1976 fulvia coupe
194? ardea SUV  "THE BEAST!!!"
Lapsed Cesare Ferrari
Lapsed
Senior Member
*****
Posts: 116



« Reply #65 on: 06 April, 2014, 07:58:06 PM »

Thank you James. I have to say by the way that I am very supportive of the idea of running old cars that are practical for normal use rather than storing them for eventual but perhaps improbable restoration. Your idea of running as is however sounds as good or better than a lot of restorations. Happy motoring with the Appia! Cesare
Logged
stanley sweet
Lapsed
Permanent resident
**
Posts: 1149



WWW
« Reply #66 on: 07 April, 2014, 09:10:15 AM »

Chugga - if you ever fancy a little break in France and bring your rustproofing equipment............................

Logged

1971 Fulvia 1.3S 'Leggera'  1999 Lancia Lybra 1.9JTD LX SW
DavidLaver
Permanent resident
**
Posts: 4248



« Reply #67 on: 07 April, 2014, 01:02:27 PM »


I think it will be a while before he offers that Omicron "fly to you in our light aircraft" service - as much as anything as its so hard to drag him away from his workshop.  The way to get him down to you is to find half a van stripped for spares and abandoned as unrestorable.  He'd be there like a shot for it...

David
Logged

David Laver, Lewisham.
Parisien
Administrator
Permanent resident
*****
Posts: 4078



« Reply #68 on: 07 April, 2014, 01:16:17 PM »

David....you're such a hooligan....but in a pleasing way.....Wink


P
Logged

Frank Gallagher
stanley sweet
Lapsed
Permanent resident
**
Posts: 1149



WWW
« Reply #69 on: 07 April, 2014, 02:43:38 PM »

.................there is an very ancient chassis nicely overgrown in the village.
Logged

1971 Fulvia 1.3S 'Leggera'  1999 Lancia Lybra 1.9JTD LX SW
peteracs
Administrator
Rebel Poster
*****
Posts: 826



« Reply #70 on: 07 April, 2014, 04:42:08 PM »

.................there is an very ancient chassis nicely overgrown in the village.

Pictures are now required after that teaser

Peter
Logged

Beta Spyder S2 pre F/L 1600
Beta HPE S2 pre F/L 1600
stanley sweet
Lapsed
Permanent resident
**
Posts: 1149



WWW
« Reply #71 on: 07 April, 2014, 06:28:58 PM »

Busy tomorrow - taking the Fulvia out to see Tour Auto arrive at Dijon with luck - but will try to get one this week.
Logged

1971 Fulvia 1.3S 'Leggera'  1999 Lancia Lybra 1.9JTD LX SW
chugga boom
Non-LMC Seller
Permanent resident
**
Posts: 1754



« Reply #72 on: 07 April, 2014, 07:08:09 PM »


I think it will be a while before he offers that Omicron "fly to you in our light aircraft" service - as much as anything as its so hard to drag him away from his workshop.  The way to get him down to you is to find half a van stripped for spares and abandoned as unrestorable.  He'd be there like a shot for it...

David
when viewing our house, I viewed the garages and drive area while Beckie viewed the house  Wink , what seemed to be plenty has quickly filled , I have now resorted to hiding things under things outside so she doesn't notice, I'm most proud of my wood pile next to the garages which she parks next to everyday..............probably not realising that there is a complete appia rear axle springs and wheels under  Cheesy
Logged

1935 augusta lusso (chugga)
1935 belna saloon
1935 augusta lusso
1938 ardenne
1939 aprilia lusso
1958 appia s2
1963 appia s3 
195? appia camioncino
1972 fulvia 1600HF
1976 fulvia coupe
194? ardea SUV  "THE BEAST!!!"
stanley sweet
Lapsed
Permanent resident
**
Posts: 1149



WWW
« Reply #73 on: 08 April, 2014, 09:10:33 AM »

That reminds me of someone I knew who couldn't stop buying RC aircraft to build. He had stacks in the attic. He said once you reach a 'critical mass' your wife can't keep up with what's happening.
Logged

1971 Fulvia 1.3S 'Leggera'  1999 Lancia Lybra 1.9JTD LX SW
fay66
Permanent resident
**
Posts: 6048



« Reply #74 on: 08 April, 2014, 09:48:44 AM »


I think it will be a while before he offers that Omicron "fly to you in our light aircraft" service - as much as anything as its so hard to drag him away from his workshop.  The way to get him down to you is to find half a van stripped for spares and abandoned as unrestorable.  He'd be there like a shot for it...

David
when viewing our house, I viewed the garages and drive area while Beckie viewed the house  Wink , what seemed to be plenty has quickly filled , I have now resorted to hiding things under things outside so she doesn't notice, I'm most proud of my wood pile next to the garages which she parks next to everyday..............probably not realising that there is a complete appia rear axle springs and wheels under  Cheesy
James,
What's it worth not to bubble you to Beckie Grin

Brian
8227 Cool
Logged

Own 1966 Fulvia 2C Berlina since 1997, back on road 11-1999.Known as "Fay"
2006 Renault Megane 1 5 Dci Sports Tourer
Dedra Technical Adviser
Pages: 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 9 10   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Contact the Forum Administrator

LMC Forum copyright © 2007 - 2021 Lancia Motor Club Ltd

Powered by SMF 1.1.20 | SMF © 2006-2011, Simple Machines
Page created in 0.041 seconds with 21 queries.