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« on: 03 March, 2014, 11:25:52 AM »

I have been contacted by a gentleman who's Grandmother was fortunate enough to have this as a wedding car.

"Good afternoon Neil
 
I am a member of the Singer Owners Club and own several pre-war Singers.
 
When I was showing one of my cars at the NEC show a couple of years ago I
was speaking to someone on the Lancia stand as I have the attached photo of
my Grandmother and it was taken at her wedding in Berlin around 1930.
 
I have always been told it was a Lancia but as I knowing nothing about
Lancias of this age I have always wondered what it was.
 
Do you recognise it and could you possibly let me have some information on
the car?
 
Many thanks and hope to hear from you soon.
 
Kind regards
 
Jonathan Borchard
"
 

Jonathan also belives they bought it back to London in 1933, so it was at least for a time, resident in the UK.

My knowledge of these pre-war cars is not so good, being limited to if it is a Lancia it's likely either a special bodied Astura or Dilambda. If anyone has any thoughts please post them, I can also put people in touch with Jonathan (rather than post contact details on-line).


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« Reply #1 on: 03 March, 2014, 07:07:12 PM »

Don't know what it is Huh?, but it looks lovely  Shocked
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« Reply #2 on: 03 March, 2014, 07:36:53 PM »

There is a similar Astura spider in Wim's La Lancia, but the hood and the bonnet is a little different, may be a variation of that model by Garavini of Turin.
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« Reply #3 on: 03 March, 2014, 08:47:00 PM »

looks more Lambda to me, spinners look too small for Astura/ Dilambda,  Huh? also astura's didn't come into production until 1931 and a special body probably wouldn't be available until 32 by the time it was built
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« Reply #4 on: 03 March, 2014, 10:42:23 PM »

My initial thought is that is not an italian car (and that was before I saw the reference to Berlin) - the proportions do not look quite right to me and the front wings do not flow into the running boards. The rear part of the body looks to be more typical of German coachbuilders, so my guess would be something more local to Berlin!
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« Reply #5 on: 04 March, 2014, 08:26:49 AM »

Thanks for the replies so far chaps!

So it's too early for an Astura, and there is a thought that it may not be Italian. Nigel Trow concures with your thoughts Adrian,

My immediate reaction is that it is not a Lancia. The period puts into late

Lambda chassis, di Lambda or Artena. There is not sign of the necessary rear support cage

of the Lambda Chassis and the bonnet line seems too low for the di Lambda engine - which

is a very tall lump. It seems to have a long wheelbase (estimating  the height of the man as maybe 5 foot ten)

The Artena was 3180mm, Lambda chassis 3100mm.

It is a beautiful car but somehow un Lancia like. And is the a Renault diamond on the radiator cap?


If it were to be German, it probably leaves Horch, Maybach or Mercedes. It looks to me to be too elegent for a Maybach?
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« Reply #6 on: 04 March, 2014, 11:37:34 AM »

The wing line has a Bugatti look to it, although it isn't a Bugatti. Maybe a French coachbuilder like Saoutchik? Back then Renault were just making small mass market cars as far as I know, think they always had solid wheels too. The mascot is intriguing. Also is there some kind of flag staff on the opposite wing, or is it a marker for width? If it's a marker, then maybe it was RHD. Italian cars were RHD.........................sorry, couldn't help making it more confusing Smiley  This is when we need Bill Boddy. He'd just say 'Oh, that's a so and so, had one once, cost me 5 in 1957.'
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« Reply #7 on: 04 March, 2014, 02:18:11 PM »

A Berlin coachbuilder that could fit the bill is Erdmann and Rossi.

And I found a Bugatti (either 46 or 50) they bodied, that looks quite similar (also with those horizontal louvres in the bonnet) but with a much heavier shape, due to the massive chassis, and the cast aluminum wheels.

Maybe a lesser known marque, an Austro Daimler perhaps? Still a big and long car, but not too massive (like a Maybach).

Neil, it could be interesting sharing the picture with PrewarCar, which reaches a wider audience!
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« Reply #8 on: 04 March, 2014, 08:01:37 PM »

Early Panther De Ville  Huh? Wink
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« Reply #9 on: 04 March, 2014, 10:15:43 PM »

This to me is a peculiar looking car altogether, and clearly designed for sself-love before function. I wonder if it is a touring length 6C Alfa Romeo chassis with an eccentric choice of body, though I must say the wheelbase is extraordinarily long. Forgive my sniffiness, but I suspect the body might be by any number of makers.
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« Reply #10 on: 04 March, 2014, 10:17:09 PM »

Looks too low altogether for a Dilambda and the headlights look round instead of shield shape, although some didn't conform. However, front bumper looks Dilambda!

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« Reply #11 on: 05 March, 2014, 10:23:11 AM »

Also the radiator ornament could be any one of the hundreds of aftermarket ones available back then. When I first saw it I thought the bonnet and headlights had an Alfa-ish feel. Hope we find out eventually - also whether it's still around?
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« Reply #12 on: 05 March, 2014, 03:03:16 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: 05 March, 2014, 05:27:56 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: 05 March, 2014, 05:29:44 PM »

I would guess it is a 1930 Maybach Zeppelin DS7 looking at the bonnet, the louvres, the wheelbase, the rear swirl & fenders, although the coachwork is probably by someone else.
I googled 1930's luxury cars, came across a 1938 Maybach DS8 which looks like an evolution of the car pictured, then googled 1930's Maybach where you can find a few pictures with attributes to the picture, although none of the actual car shown
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