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Author Topic: Appia furgoncino - A fettler's voyage  (Read 208211 times)
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« Reply #315 on: 01 June, 2016, 07:22:10 PM »

All the Appia castings are lovely .... very tactile and would deserve a place in any art gallery !

Jim is correct, I am planning to start the engine out of the car - but on the floor , not on the bench.

Allegedly (!) they are very stable when running, so worth a try.

I will be holding on to the engine at first so may not be able to record the shenanigans . Maybe I will ask Dog to lend a hand - but then , how to upload a video ? That is probably beyond my technical skills
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« Reply #316 on: 06 June, 2016, 02:34:20 PM »

Mic Comber (Portuguese Aprilia) has been staying with us and has raided my shelves for bits for his and another Portuguese Aprilia ..... whilst here we turned over the Appia engine with a view to getting oil pressure registering

With the starter motor connected to the battery via jump leads and an extra wire to the solenoid it turned over very easily, blowing the "protective" bungs out of the plug holes.

After a few seconds the oil pressure gauge , which came from a spare speedo unit, started to register - so first hurdle achieved .....

Still waiting on the carb parts


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« Reply #317 on: 07 June, 2016, 06:51:31 AM »

Pity you do not have an engine stand then you would be OK
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« Reply #318 on: 07 June, 2016, 07:03:25 AM »

just a thought is worth checking the compression before it goes back in the car? a certain person we know had to remove his engine and fettle a sticking valve then put it all back in...bit of a chore
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« Reply #319 on: 14 June, 2016, 04:11:06 PM »

Thanks Jim, will probably give it a test, although the bungs do fly across the garage when turning it over.

While I am waiting on some bits, I have started looking at the exhaust system. It is quite different to the saloon system, and not just because the "chassis" is longer (I think - I will check .....). There is a much smoother kick over the back axle, the boxes are in different places as are the hangers (nb the rear set of hangers are not shown on the TAV - they are shorter than the set in the middle) and the middle box slopes up alongside the battery box.

I know that a saloon system can be made to fit (viz Appia Consortium van) but I think I will make a correct one. I have what looks like an original one to copy, so it's a good start. If I fit a "slave" engine ie crankcase and head bolted to the gearbox) , I can easily offer it up before a definitive fit is done.

Plan is to stay with mild steel and use the standard saloon downpipe, cut down since it appears to be the same as the furgoncino pipe, just longer - the important bends are the same. These are readily available for reasonable money

If anyone is interested, I can make 2 ........


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« Reply #320 on: 15 June, 2016, 02:46:03 PM »

Hmmm... so did the bungs in my sparkplug holes... mind you the squirt of oil up the oil pressure gauge pipe and all over the kitchen ceiling was impressive (Matron was so dumbfounded she could not speak)
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« Reply #321 on: 15 June, 2016, 07:19:42 PM »

CIAO SIMON HAI FOTO DI MARMITTE IN VENDITA PER FURGONCINO O MARMITTE APPIA CHE SI ADATTANO ?    QUALE FORNITORE MI PUOI INDICARE ?
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« Reply #322 on: 15 June, 2016, 07:33:54 PM »

I have not made the system yet, I am meeting with someone tomorrow. The downpipe (next to manifold) that I have fitted to the 3rd series is very good, so it makes sense to use the same one - it came from a German company advertising on eBay and cost £50 delivered

Non ho ancora realizzato il sistema, mi viene incontro con qualcuno domani. Il downpipe (accanto al collettore) che ho montato sul 3 ° serie è molto buono, quindi ha senso usare la stessa - è venuto da una pubblicità società tedesca su eBay e costa £ 50 consegnati
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« Reply #323 on: 17 June, 2016, 07:44:16 PM »

I spoke with the exhaust maker today and I am going to make 3 systems, each made to fit my furgoncino and using the pre-bought and shortened downpipe. These are all "sold" so if anyone else is interested, please let me know and I can discuss prices and spec

They will be mild steel (my preference - but stainless is also an option)

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« Reply #324 on: 02 July, 2016, 04:16:55 PM »

In preparation for the exhaust build, I cleaned up an old crankcase, block and cylinder head and fitted an empty engine, it was much easier to fit (in bits) than a complete engine and it gives a bit more room to work around it

On a LHD car there is not a lot of room at the side of the engine - the column, column shift, brakes etc leave it very tight. Hence my decision to stick with a "known" downpipe that fits neatly and is available off the shelf.

More later .......

ps I have a new camera (phone) so hope the pictures are better !



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« Reply #325 on: 02 July, 2016, 08:19:16 PM »

Ciao Simon hai ricevuto il mio pacco ?
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« Reply #326 on: 28 July, 2016, 07:03:42 AM »

We have had new windscreen and rear-door rubbers remade for the furgoncino/camioncino - well done to Koen and Gerhard for making it happen !

Means that I can fit the screen now ........


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« Reply #327 on: 03 August, 2016, 09:34:24 AM »

In preparation for the exhaust build, I cleaned up an old crankcase, block and cylinder head and fitted an empty engine, it was much easier to fit (in bits) than a complete engine and it gives a bit more room to work around it

On a LHD car there is not a lot of room at the side of the engine - the column, column shift, brakes etc leave it very tight. Hence my decision to stick with a "known" downpipe that fits neatly and is available off the shelf.

More later .......

ps I have a new camera (phone) so hope the pictures are better !


Reminds me of the Hungarian Hollywood producer (I forget who) who, when requesting riderless steeds said "bring on the empty horses".
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« Reply #328 on: 03 August, 2016, 02:28:07 PM »

I thought that saying (also the title of David Nivens autobiography) was by  Cecil B de Mille.....
but I may be wrong.
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« Reply #329 on: 03 August, 2016, 03:14:10 PM »

said by Michael Curtiz, I think.
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