Lancia Motor Club Forum Banner
28 March, 2024, 04:48:09 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Need to contact the Forum Administrator? e-mail forum.admin@lanciamc.co.uk, for Database Administrator e-mail database.admin@lanciamc.co.uk      -      Copy deadline for Viva Lancia is 12th of each month.      -      For Events e-mail events@lanciamc.co.uk      -      To Join the club go to http://www.lanciamc.co.uk/join.htm
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Register  
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Aprilia clutch variants  (Read 4731 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
apriliadriver
Lapsed
Member
****
Posts: 82


« on: 06 November, 2011, 09:20:22 AM »

I have searched through all the Aprilia threads and cannot find anything definitive on the different types of clutch for S1 Aprilias.

Can any of our readers help ?

I have all the parts books exploded diagrams 1937 to 1948, but what I really would appreciate is photos of the various pieces of the variants.

Thanks in advance if you have anything.
Nick
Logged
BlueSky
Lapsed
Senior Member
*****
Posts: 183



WWW
« Reply #1 on: 06 November, 2011, 03:16:30 PM »

The clutch changed at construction no. 5416 from the smaller size with the six hairpin springs to the bigger size with the single large spring. I only have a photo of the early type, plus have attached the diagram of the latter.
Hope this helps.
Noel

Edit. Opps, both 1st series clutches are the same diameter, 2nds series are larger, sorry for the confusion.


* TAV13a late.jpg (169.03 KB, 771x1039 - viewed 508 times.)

* Clutch.jpg (347.53 KB, 1024x768 - viewed 491 times.)
« Last Edit: 07 November, 2011, 08:31:37 PM by BlueSky » Logged

1937 1st series Aprilia Berlina
Nissan X-Trail T31 TS
1920 P & M 3 1/2hp {FOR SALE}
John Deere LX188
www.narrywoolan.com.au/home
ben
Lapsed
Megaposter
*
Posts: 456


« Reply #2 on: 06 November, 2011, 09:28:12 PM »

Does this mean you have a problem Nick?
You are not trying to get rid of the infamous Aprilia judder that we all know and love are you?

And Noel---Do you never sleep?

Incidentaly I dont suppose these clutches were originally held together with socket-headed bolts.

                                                      Ben   (Chief Nit-Picker)
Logged
lancialulu
Press Officer
Permanent resident
*****
Posts: 4902



« Reply #3 on: 06 November, 2011, 10:48:08 PM »

Ben

I guess Noel is in OZ??

My OVS doesnt judder. If it did I would suspect oil contamination. Is there another fault mode for judder??

Tim
Logged

Its not the winning but taking part! or is it taking apart?
Lancias:
1955 Aurelia B12
1967 Fulvia 1.3HFR
1972 Fulvia 1600HF
1972 Fulvia Sport 1600
1983 HPE VX
1988 Delta 1.6GTie
1998 Zeta 21.  12v
BlueSky
Lapsed
Senior Member
*****
Posts: 183



WWW
« Reply #4 on: 07 November, 2011, 01:37:45 AM »

Yes yes, I know it has the wrong bolts, but they work. I now have some of the original type but even they come in two different sizes, see pic. Next thing you know I'll be fitting a 2nd series engine, heaven forbid Wink

They early type of clutch seems to have the judder problem built in, even gets a mention in 1937 Autocar road test, it's only when taking up in 1st and reverse though. However, we need more info from Nick if there is a problem.

It's those tight little red sparkling shoes that keep me awake!

Noel


* Clutch bolt.jpg (322.49 KB, 1701x1276 - viewed 463 times.)
Logged

1937 1st series Aprilia Berlina
Nissan X-Trail T31 TS
1920 P & M 3 1/2hp {FOR SALE}
John Deere LX188
www.narrywoolan.com.au/home
apriliadriver
Lapsed
Member
****
Posts: 82


« Reply #5 on: 08 November, 2011, 02:43:37 PM »

First, thanks for all the replies, especially Blue Sky.

And, yes, Ben I am trying to reduce the clutch judder in first and reverse ! When I compared my Aprilia to the other 19 at Goodwood Track Day earlier this year, I clearly had a problem magnitudes bigger than every other participant.

On dismantling what seems to be a second series clutch assembly, the pressure plate (claimed to have been relined) was revealed to be defective, friction lining intermittently worn and signs of chattering. Diagnosis : incorrect pattern of rivetting distorting the plate.

So, rather than re-engineer the clutch, I will get it rebuilt with a properly assembled pressure-plate.

Has anyone any experience of using the Cavalitto replacement plates ?   How much were they ?
Yrs
Nick
Logged
ben
Lapsed
Megaposter
*
Posts: 456


« Reply #6 on: 09 November, 2011, 09:52:29 PM »

This is pure speculation Nick as I've no first hand experience with 2nd sreies clutches but I'de be concerned that what you are seeing on your pressure plate may be secondary to the judder. As has been said before if the clutch is at all less than perfect the result is magnified because of the potential for backlash in the prop-shaft, diff, and drive shafts.

I believe the judder arises with these clutches because when you put your foot on the pedal to disengage the clutch the mechanism doesn't guarantee that the cover plate remains parallel to the face of the flywheel as it is pulled away.For example in a first series clutch it is obvious that if the hairpin springs are not perfectly ballanced the pressure plate will be released in the zone where the weaker springs are first and conversely as the clutch is re-engaged the pressure plate will be gripped first where the strongest springs are.I think the central spring arrangment in the 2nd series is equally suspect in this regard.
Alternatively, or perhaps as well,if there is wear where the fingers engage to pull on the arms on the release bearing assembly, or if the arms are a bit bent,one side may pull away ahead of the other by a small amount and this will give uneven take-up.
 
All in all it is a poor design compared to a clutch with toggle arms or an inverting diaphram such that dis-engagment is achieved by pushing on the coverplate release bearing rather than pulling it.

Consequently you need to check as thoroughly as possible that all the elements in the release mechanism are true and working evenly when you re-assemble with your new or re-lined friction plate.
Logged
davidwheeler
Permanent resident
**
Posts: 1469



« Reply #7 on: 16 November, 2011, 01:57:12 PM »

Sorry to say this but 2nd series clutches judder as well.  I have no idea why, mine has been rebuilt with new plate and carefully faced flywheel.   I was once told that original plates were riveted alternately so that one side was not directly riveted to the other allowing a degree of springing but the old (!st series) plate I have does not have this feature.   I think the plate I now have fitted is from a much later model of Lancia as it came with the spares sold off by my local Lancia dealer when Lancia withdrew from the UK.
Logged

David Wheeler.  Lambdas, Aprilia, Fulvia Sport.(formerly Appia and Thema as well).
Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Contact the Forum Administrator

LMC Forum copyright © 2007 - 2021 Lancia Motor Club Ltd

Powered by SMF 1.1.20 | SMF © 2006-2011, Simple Machines
Page created in 0.073 seconds with 21 queries.