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« Reply #15 on: 09 March, 2011, 10:28:11 PM »

A video of the new Thema launch... http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/03/videos-eminem-meets-italian-opera-at.html

Nice on the inside, but that nose and tail show no respect for Lancia's lineage. Not for me... sorry Lancia. Must try harder!
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« Reply #16 on: 22 June, 2011, 09:06:43 AM »


With Chrysler's soon to be announced RHD 2012 model year line up- Ypsilon, Delta, 200, 300 & Grand Voyager (all to be badged elsewhere in Europe as Lancia's) on the horizon what realistic chance do the UK car buying public have of purchasing RHD Lancia versions?

Reading previous forum posts & VL letters, it would appear that not many members including myself would entertain purchasing a new Chrysler but would a new Lancia version as a daily driver and I am sure -although I cannot back up this claim- this could also be true that many UK car buyers who would never consider a US brand may consider a European one.

I recall that when GM decided to pull Opel out of the UK (but not Ireland) and rely on Vauxhall to bring in the sales, the people who drove Opels where disappointed so when the time came to replace their vehicles they either bought an Opel as a RHD European import directly from abroad or through car supermarkets (Trade Sales/Motorpoint/Motorhouse spring to mind) or went to other brands as these people considered Opel's to be cooler and better (although they weren't) than Vauxhalls. It is the same case here especially as the Lancia versions do without the crass grilles and badging of the Chrysler versions. In the rest of Europe Lancias are seen as upmarket versions in their market sectors alongside the likes of BMW, Mercedes, Audi etc whereas Chrysler's not going to be marketed that way.

You would think that the LMC through its established members and their contact with Italy could perhaps persuade Fiat to open just one Lancia dealership (servicing should be available through any Alfa/Chrysler/Fiat centres) whereby Lancia's could be sold to get a feel for their future big picture, I mean there should be no big deal with RHD Lancias on the production line, it's just the set up of the dealership costs but this could be done by adding to an existing Alfa/Maserati franchise.

I am sure that there are individual LMC members who have contacts with overseas dealerships eg Paul Baker in Italy and Stuart Wilson in Holland who could arrange for RHD Lancias to be purchased by UK customers. The problem here is purchasing power and relative cost of pound v euro where currently cars on the continent now cost more than their UK equivalents which is a complete turn around from years gone by. This would result in the purchase price being potentially thousands higher than for the equivalent Chrysler or other competitor. The UK buying public also want specialist finance deals, PCP's & PCH's etc which would not work with an overseas supplier who would be left with a RHD car in a LHD market come trade in time.

These finance deals will be available at Chrysler dealerships, but who of our members would realistically consider a Chrysler, I am sure there are some (you earns your money and you make your choice), but surely it would be better for all to drive a Lancia (if only in badge alone) everyday. I will not purchase a Chrysler Delta when my current Alfa Brera contract ends in January, but I would definitely purchase a Lancia Delta (subject to agreeable deal) before a Giulietta, BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Lexus, Saab, Honda, Volvo or VW etc.

Who's up for a poll to see who would be interested in a new Lancia from a UK dealer, then we could put it forward to our contacts at Fiat.
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« Reply #17 on: 24 June, 2011, 12:52:50 PM »

I for one would be up for a new Lancia Delta. The problem is I don't see Fiat allowing any RHD Deltas or Ypsilons to be badged Lancia in the UK as they are trying to build the Chrysler brand here, although they are using two Lancia products initially, and they will probably forbid RHD UK cars to come out of the factory with anything other than Chrysler badges.

The only way to get your UK Chrysler Delta to be badged a Lancia will be to retro fit once purchased which obviously means a cost implication. Other points to consider are that the V5 will state that the car is a Chrysler rather than a Lancia and even changing the badges on a car is considered a modification where insurance companies are concerned.

We shall see but I would suggest that Chrysler for the UK only is Fiat will want to play it.
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« Reply #18 on: 29 June, 2011, 08:12:49 PM »

i have thought long & hard about this ever since Fiat announced Delta would be re-badged as a Chrysler for UK & Ireland. I've come to the conclusion that i'd certainly buy a Chrysler Delta, & re-badge it. Surely someone on ebay is going to see the potential here & maybe offer re-badging kits!!

I'm looking forward to Sept when i can test drive both Delta & Ypsilon.

The big difference here is Chrysler dealers i've spoken to are very keen to get going on the new cars, whereas Fiat dealers weren't exactly over the moon about being stuck with Lancia!
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« Reply #19 on: 29 June, 2011, 10:09:23 PM »

I spoke to karl Dorgan of FIAT IRELAND  about the new Delta and Thema, He is head of second hand car sales, ex hire drive fleets ect. He is also a member of our club here in Ireland. We discussed the chances of Fiat re-badging the Delta and he seems to think there would be no problem re-badging the Delta , no problem ! but for a fee, he reckons around 850.00 to do everything  I notice in the video's on U Tube there is a lLancia crest in the instrument display, I wonder can this be changed ? . The only problem is the cars registration document, it would state Chrysler Delta. Huh?
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« Reply #20 on: 30 June, 2011, 12:39:33 PM »

850 is probably about right as the grilles will require changing too. Hopefully the big wide Chrysler badges are raised above the Lancia badge recesses and not recessed themselves (big pressing cost so doubt it) so that when they are removed the Lancia replacements fit straight in or else all the affected panels will require replacement.

As an aside has anyone considered a RHD conversion on a used 2008 onwards Delta, with prices starting about 10k abroad how easy & how much would it cost to convert. Is there a market for it, like anything else if enough interest the cost will come down and then perhaps we can all drive about in "real" RHD Lancias again.
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« Reply #21 on: 30 June, 2011, 07:22:00 PM »

850 is probably about right as the grilles will require changing too. Hopefully the big wide Chrysler badges are raised above the Lancia badge recesses and not recessed themselves (big pressing cost so doubt it) so that when they are removed the Lancia replacements fit straight in or else all the affected panels will require replacement.

As an aside has anyone considered a RHD conversion on a used 2008 onwards Delta, with prices starting about 10k abroad how easy & how much would it cost to convert. Is there a market for it, like anything else if enough interest the cost will come down and then perhaps we can all drive about in "real" RHD Lancias again.

Not should how you would stand nowadays being that everything these days has to have a certificate of conformity, or even with type approval, although if Lancia are making RHD for Chrysler it shouldn't be a problem once the RHD in Chrysler form are introduced here.

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« Reply #22 on: 30 June, 2011, 07:52:32 PM »

I was at Goodwood today at the Moving Motor Show, no sign of Chrysler, most the big car manufacturers were there, it could have been a a good opportunity to show the new cars. So I managed to drive a new Alfa instead up the hill which was fun.
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« Reply #23 on: 01 July, 2011, 09:53:40 AM »

I tought we would have had a new delta for our stand at the Terenure classic car show. Karl dorgan was telling me that there was  a consignment on its way from Chrysler and he tought there would be a Delta with it. But unfortunatly No, Just a load of Jeeps Huh?
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« Reply #24 on: 01 July, 2011, 10:35:26 AM »

It all seems to have gone quiet, even on Chryslers website there is no information just a blank page about vision for 2011 with important new models. Come on it's nearly 2012 and no announcement dates and no prices.

The Delta was first coming in Jan '09 as a Lancia then July '09 but the economic climate so called put paid to that, then it was June 2011 as a Chrysler yet here we are in July and still no sign of anything!

In What Car? it usually gives dates for up coming new cars with the Delta for June and Ypsilon for September but in this months mag both have been withdrawn from the list although there is the road test of the Ypsilon which does not fare too well with only two out of five blobs scored.

The pictures of it also in What Car? does it no favours in white, it looks like a scaled down PT Cruiser with it's raised bonnet (Ideal for Chrysler) from the front and a Nissan Juke from behind, but we really need to see it in the flesh.
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« Reply #25 on: 01 July, 2011, 12:52:38 PM »

On Chrysler's Irish website they list the Delta & Ypsilon as "coming soon" models. I've been in contact with Chrsyler Ireland & they're waiting on approval to list info on the new models. On Chrysler Ireland Facebook page they are showing images of Delta & Ypsilon.
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« Reply #26 on: 01 July, 2011, 12:56:43 PM »

The last I heard was that the Delta was going to be available for order from June, for September delivery (some prices were released a few weeks ago) and that the Ypsilon was slated for a December launch here.  However Paul has picked up on exactly the point I've made in my upcoming VL column (on a doormat near you in about a week and a half...), that there is nothing at all on the Chrysler UK website - not even some taster information.  If orders were being taken in June, the very least I would have expected online would have been brochures, specs and one of these interactive 'build your car' things (they are great fun...) - but it does seem awfully quiet at present, and as Neil and Dave point out, if they were on the ball about generating orders, you'd surely expect the cars to be at some of the summer shows, raising interest and awareness.  It does worry me slightly - and the shame is that we know from having the Delta on our stand at the NEC two years running that it is a car which attracts attention and interest.  Chrysler dealers sound keen, so what's the issue?  I may be putting two and two together and making five again, but could it be cold feet once again with the clouds gathering over consumer spending and disposable income?  It was the sudden impact of the recession which killed the prospect of Lancia coming back in late 2008/early 2009 (we know that even then the cars had been engineered for RHD), and I'm worried about a repeat...

EDIT to reflect Toby's comment - that sounds hopeful.  But why are they still waiting for approval?  One wonders whether it is merely organisational delay, or top level policy being rethought...?
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« Reply #27 on: 01 July, 2011, 12:57:19 PM »

I spoke to karl Dorgan of FIAT IRELAND  about the new Delta and Thema, He is head of second hand car sales, ex hire drive fleets ect. He is also a member of our club here in Ireland. We discussed the chances of Fiat re-badging the Delta and he seems to think there would be no problem re-badging the Delta , no problem ! but for a fee, he reckons around 850.00 to do everything  I notice in the video's on U Tube there is a lLancia crest in the instrument display, I wonder can this be changed ? . The only problem is the cars registration document, it would state Chrysler Delta. Huh?

850!!!! someone on ebay is bound to undercut that!!  Grin
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« Reply #28 on: 01 July, 2011, 01:35:26 PM »

EDIT to reflect Toby's comment - that sounds hopeful.  But why are they still waiting for approval?  One wonders whether it is merely organisational delay, or top level policy being rethought...?

As this is Fiat, its probably organisational delay!!! I notice on one of the Chrysler dealer sites here that they've listed Delta as coming soon.
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« Reply #29 on: 01 July, 2011, 10:08:35 PM »

EDIT to reflect Toby's comment - that sounds hopeful.  But why are they still waiting for approval?  One wonders whether it is merely organisational delay, or top level policy being rethought...?

As this is Fiat, its probably organisational delay!!! I notice on one of the Chrysler dealer sites here that they've listed Delta as coming soon.

It does seem like the UK site is particularly behind the times, having looked at the Irish site.  Guess we're just waiting...
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