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« Reply #15 on: 29 June, 2009, 02:42:47 PM »

Erm, Rodders and I are no longer committee members! I know the forum gets read by some on the committee (but not all). Some people have the view that having spent all day looking at a computer screen, they'd rather not do it in the evenings, too. Fair point, but some wider endorsement would be useful!
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« Reply #16 on: 29 June, 2009, 03:39:44 PM »

I know the forum gets read by some on the committee (but not all).

Sorry, but if this is true then I find it absolutely incredible.

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« Reply #17 on: 02 July, 2009, 08:17:34 PM »

    It may be that the type of people who like messing about with lancias aren't generally the sort of people who gravitate to online forums. What little time I have for doing Lancia things tends to be spent in the garage rather than in front of the computer. Having said which wider exposure of the forum wouldn't be a bad thing. Could a projector be found and a presentation be done at the AGM? 

On a similar note I am constantly amazed by the number of dedicated Lancia owners I meet at events who wouldn't dream of joining the Lancia Motor Club. Brian and I met at least three at Classics in the Walled Garden yesterday.
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« Reply #18 on: 03 July, 2009, 07:41:41 AM »

Strange one should own a particular car and not want to share the experience and look for support.
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« Reply #19 on: 03 July, 2009, 08:41:37 AM »

I guess you can divide them into two camps - those who don't want to be in a club, and those who ask what's in it for them if they do join the club.

Sharing the experience is a non-issue. There are so many car shows and events around now that being a member of a club is no longer necessary. The vast majority of events LMC members go to (or arrange) are open access so there is ample opportunity for non-members to attend and mingle (vis Brian and Frank's experience).

Looking for support is a combination I believe of encouragement (misery loves company Cheesy), technical know-how and the ease and convenience with which it can be accessed. Regarding Lancias, the specialists will give advice and sell parts to anyone (obviously!) and there are at least two other forums I know of which have excellent traffic and advice, one of which has a plethora of Lancia documents and publications available on the site. You don't have to be a member of either to post. Recently two new UK Fulvia owners have joined one of these - both are restoring their cars and neither is posting on here. For the older and more esoteric cars I can see a more compelling case for being in the LMC, but as there are many who aren't maybe the same applies.

So in answer to your question Peter, there are plenty of places where you can get both for nowt. The question we have to ask is what is the compelling reason to join the LMC?
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« Reply #20 on: 03 July, 2009, 07:50:04 PM »

Neal,

You pose a really interesting question: “what is the compelling reason to join the LMC?” You say, “sharing the experience” is a non-issue, well I am not sure about that. Sharing the experience of owning and running old cars is for sure easy to come by and that may be a non-issue. But the reality for lots of us is that sharing the experience of Lancia is very special, highly valued and doesn’t come easy.

I would like to think the LMC provides a common ground for Lancia-afflicted-kindred spirits to share their knowledge of why it’s all so special - and, importantly to give some continuity with the past. All Lancias are lovely, but let’s face it, the history and the legacy of genius engineering design is what makes it so important. The compelling reason for joining the LMC is surely that it is the only club that can offer anything like the continuity of association with Lancia over many years.

As to why this Forum has such a low profile for LMC members: I have resisted commenting here, but look back at forum posts in the Members Only section, Improvements to the web presence etc, to see the thread following the Committee Notes after the February 2009 meeting. Comparisons with the VSCC are still valid.

Hopefully the forthcoming AGM and reports on the five year plan will be reassuring.

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« Reply #21 on: 03 July, 2009, 10:26:50 PM »

All Lancias are lovely, but let’s face it, the history and the legacy of genius engineering design is what makes it so important. The compelling reason for joining the LMC is surely that it is the only club that can offer anything like the continuity of association with Lancia over many years.

Colin, thanks for your post - they are always worth reading and provoke one to think a bit more. Here's my "more" thoughts:

Playing devils advocate for a moment I would ask why is that a compelling reason? When we who are in the club ask what the compelling reason is we must put ourselves in the shoes of the person who isn't a member. That there are many Lancia owners not in the club surely provides some evidence that club history itself is not a compelling reason. Club history is a memory of what previous members got yesterday, not what future members could expect tomorrow - and expectations have changed.

I can think of many compelling reasons, comraderie, technical knowledge, parts swaping etc (but I am a member - have been for 20 years) - but they are so well hidden, un-publisied and in-convienient to access that only (some?) members know they are there. Prospective members wouldn't have a clue they even existed. The internet and the forum is the resource that can change that.

When you are a new owner your first port of call is likely to be the internet in todays world. Huib will send you a disc with all the technical information you need for €20, no hassel and its publisied. Or you can go on Lancisti.com and download most of the information there and then, each has a lively forum, many of the whom are LMC members giving advice (and seaking it), and they are free 24/7. To a new member that would be a compelling reason to go there and not here (and I quoted two examples in the last month).

My arguement is not so much that there are no compelling reasons per se, more what is the compellng reason to make people look? Rather like a restaurant - if the window dressing and front tables look crap you don't go in, but you may miss out on the best meal you never had ! We make it so hard to see that we run the risk of going unnoticed.

In this day and age the high street is the internet, we have been provided with a cracking front window but, apart from a few hardy members trying hard to provide the window dressing and front tables, we are bereft of encouragment, support and executive sponsorship. So we can believe we have all the compelling reasons in the world but our use of the shop window is so lamentably poor, prospective customers just walk past. It should be a club initiative.

Perhaps I should have phrased it "how do we make the compelling reasons so bloody obvious nobody can ignore us" Cheesy

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My arguement is not so much that there are no compelling reasons per se, more what is the compellng reason to make people look? Rather like a restaurant - if the window dressing and front tables look crap you don't go in, but you may miss out on the best meal you never had ! We make it so hard to see that we run the risk of going unnoticed.

In this day and age the high street is the internet, we have been provided with a cracking front window but, apart from a few hardy members trying hard to provide the window dressing and front tables, we are bereft of encouragment, support and executive sponsorship. So we can believe we have all the compelling reasons in the world but our use of the shop window is so lamentably poor, prospective customers just walk past. It should be a club initiat

[/quote]brilliant!!!!! well said and very true, never thought of it like that but i totally agree  Wink
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« Reply #23 on: 04 July, 2009, 11:19:20 AM »

I think probably the single biggest handicap this forum faces is that you have to be a member of the LMC to make real use of it. Contrast this to sites such as Lancisti.com (as already mentioned) and alfabb.com. Both are free to register on and make full use of. It is an inescapable fact that the majority of people do not expect to pay to use services such as forums on the internet. I think it is also an inescapable fact that worldwide the Lancia community is much smaller than, say that of Alfa Romeo.
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« Reply #24 on: 04 July, 2009, 12:08:50 PM »

Tell me a more active Lancia forum thats as well organised as this one?

I do agree it is a shame that it would appear that most Lancia owners are not involved with the forum which is odd and in my view not in keeping with fostering a desire to own one of most technically advanced motor cars of any and all time.

However everyone to their own and if we were all alike it would be called the Daewoo motor club!!!

We should relish the exclusivity!

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« Reply #25 on: 04 July, 2009, 03:26:04 PM »

Forum is a continuous form of monthly get together. BTW Vale of Evesham meeting is tomorrow, call please for details 01386871040
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« Reply #26 on: 04 July, 2009, 03:41:31 PM »

Tell me a more active Lancia forum thats as well organised as this one?

There isn't one - but there are plenty that are better utilized by the clubs / individuals that have set them up. Which is my point.
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« Reply #27 on: 04 July, 2009, 06:15:23 PM »

I think I may not have expressed myself clearly – I am not arguing that the history of the LMC is sufficiently interesting to attract anyone into membership! (This is one of the reasons why I was not in support of the idea of using the Ted Bates Legacy on the proposed book.) As Neal has posted, “Club history is a memory of what previous members got yesterday” – I agree nobody is interested in that.

When I posted: “the LMC is surely the only club that can offer anything like the continuity of association with Lancia over many years.” What I meant to convey is that it is only the LMC that can give a prospective member an association with Lancia from the earliest days through to the Delta and beyond. For sure I am particularly interested in Fulvia because I own and delight in one, but I am equally interested in reading about, and sometimes sharing views on everything from Lambda to Delta.

Maybe my views are not shared by many, but I would like to think that a prospective new member who has just bought a ‘modern’ Lancia would be interested to be part of a club that also embraces the earlier models on which its legendary status is based. Single models forums and help lines can never aspire to that.

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« Reply #28 on: 06 July, 2009, 07:40:45 PM »

Is not the issue being discussed the one as to why there are so few users on the forum? I am not disputing the value of the LMC to many people. However, for may people the obligation to join the LMC and pay a subscribtion is an instant deterent to joining the forum. As it stands the forum is an extension of the LMC not a self standing or seperate entity. Whilst I am not saying that the Forum should be divorced from the LMC I do see the need to join the LMC to fully use the forum a real stumbling block to expanded Forum membership.
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« Reply #29 on: 06 July, 2009, 08:51:58 PM »

I believe Brians original point is that something like only 20% of the LMC membership uses the Forum. The question surely is where are the other 80% of these people? They've paid their sunscriptions, there is nothing more to pay. Admitted ly not everyone has Internet access, and not everyone wants to come on the Forum but as Brian says, surely more than 20%?

Is it purely that they don't know about it? Is it that they don't want to come on here?

More questions than answers, Sorry!  Roll Eyes
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