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ian.cleary
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« on: 02 July, 2008, 11:25:24 PM »

Hi,

I'm Ian and I've just joined the LMC and registered for the forum. I live in East Yorkshire and have been in, around and involved with the Lancia marque since I was about 8 years old... my Dad ran them and I grew up in the back of them.

Nice to be a member of the LMC and the forum Grin

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« Reply #1 on: 03 July, 2008, 12:23:57 AM »

Hi Ian,
Welcome to the Club and to the band of discerning drivers who recognise what a great car the Dedra is, no doubt some will scoff at such a statement but to those I would say "don't knock it until you've tried it".

As the Clubs Dedra Technical Adviser I'm a great fan and have owned 5 over the last 15 years.  having now retired I sold number 5, a 2.0ie Auto last year, not because I've gone off Dedra's but more a case of cutting your cloth to suit Cry

I know Steves old (your new car) and he really looked after it well, as he does with all his cars.

If you need any advice give me a ring or drop me an email, all the details are in the front of Viva Lancia.

Brian
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« Reply #2 on: 03 July, 2008, 08:01:01 AM »

Welcome aboard Ian ... my only experience is being lapped by one at Goodwood ... so I won't be knocking that !
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ian.cleary
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« Reply #3 on: 03 July, 2008, 08:46:40 AM »

Thanks guys for the warm welcome  Smiley

I'm a former Dedra detractor myself actually. My Dad had a former Mountview Motors demonstrator from @ 6 months old and traded his Met' Bordeaux Prisma Symbol against it (I loved that car  Cry ) and I (as a worldly 14 year old) found the Dedra to be much less focused than the Prisma and not as hard edged... LOL

I still rate the Prisma highly and have owned a couple myself, but I've grown to appreciate the charms of the Dedra, and as I've found myself over the last few days it's no slouch either.

I was very pleased to buy the car from Steve (although he didn't seem too keen to actually part with it), and although I went armed with my full range of haggling and grot-detecting primed and ready it was quickly apparent that he was as "into" Lancia as you could possibly be.

He was a terrible salesperson and patiently and thoroughly explained all of the bad points of the car, what work had been done and when and even passed along the hand-written log book that he'd maintained during his ownership (I'm keeping this up). He agreed a VERY fair price indeed for the car and even gave it a wash and final inspection before talking me through the paperwork and letting me take it away. The car is a credit to Steve and I feel obliged to keep up his good work whilst I enjoy the car.

I was absolutely blown away by his Beta Coupe... what a car! I adore the Beta Coupe (long ambition to own one but never found one yet that lived up to my memories of my Dads 1979 2000 S2) and to have a chance to look (and smell) such a low mileage example in such wonderful condition really made my afternoon. The smell thing isn't just me being weird I think... it's because I've been around Lancia since I was so small maybe, but they really do have a "Lancia smell", which is kind of hard to describe but is very evocative and seems unique to the marque... When I was little I used to love to go to Calvert Lane or later to Mountview and poke my head inside the new cars of the day, originally Beta and Delta and then later on Thema and Dedra. They all had the Lancia smell Cheesy

Ah, seem to have written a small and verbose novel there... sorry about that, but thanks for the welcome chaps. Brian... I shall be sure to bring my specialist Dedra queries your way Smiley
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Harvey
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« Reply #4 on: 03 July, 2008, 09:17:31 AM »

Hi Ian, and to echo the others, welcome!

What model Dedra do you have?
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ian.cleary
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« Reply #5 on: 03 July, 2008, 09:35:03 AM »

Hi Harvey,

It's a 1991 Dedra 2.0ie. Shall have to dig out a brochure from the period to find out what's standard and what was optional from new... but mine has:

Electric windows all round
Electric sunroof
Green Alcantara
Front Arm-rest
Oil pressure and temp gauges
Metallic black paint

These are certainly options that were not present on the 1989 Dedra 1.8ie that my dad had... but might be standard on the 2.0ie

:-)

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« Reply #6 on: 03 July, 2008, 11:40:24 AM »

Hi Ian,

Going by the fact that your car has the 2 oil gauges your Dedra is obviously a series 1, without a Kat, which appeared early on 1992 cars.

A lot of Dedra's that came here had a variety of options as standard but of the five I've owned, none have had the same spec!

However, a lot of 2.0ie didn't have the electric rear windows, in fact it was only my first one 1990 2.0iese that had them, but it did have electronic suspension, headlamp wash wipe, remote central locking, electronic heater controls with outside temperature gauge (contrary to what I've seen advertised on Dedras for sale, NO UK spec Cars were ever fitted with climate control, for some reason it was decided not to have aircon on the UK cars, what a missed opportunity) , ABS, oil pressure & oil temperature gauges, much more useful than the stupid voltmeter they replaced it with from 1992 on.

All cars that came here had sunroofs (at least I 've never seen one without that I can remember) originally I thought that all UK cars came with folding rear seats except on HF Turbo's that had leather, until I bought K452 PLK which didn't Huh?

All 2.0ie came with Alcantara while 1.8 & 1.6 had cloth as standard, although  Alcantara was an option on 1.8. all have the folding front armrest.

A 3 Channel ABS set up was available on 1.8 & 1.6 but I can only remember seeing one with this set up.


Metallic paint was an option.

While I can see that cost came into it when buying new, I've always thought that the 2.0 is a better buy as a used car than the 1.8, much higher specs came with the 2.0 and there are no differences when it comes to buying engine parts or servicing costs between the 2 models, as they both basically have the same engine and the 1.8 loses out slightly on performance, that said a well driven 1.8 would usually not be too far behind a 2.0. Braking with Ventilated front discs on the 2.0 were also an advantage.
The surprising one to me, of the 3 engine sizes that came here is the 1.6, especially the later ones with the uprated engine, I've always found it quite amazing how well the 1.6 performs, which is considerably better than you would think for a 1.6 pulling around the (Heavy) Dedra body.

I love them all, but what I really want is a 1995 2.0 (non Turbo) integrale SW, although I found one in Holland last year, I couldn't afford it, or to be honest couldn't justify buying it Grin
Pity we never got the later cars and the good looking SW in RHD.

Brian
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« Reply #7 on: 03 July, 2008, 12:05:15 PM »

My 1994 "L" Dedra Turbo was also non-cat, but that's because it was registered in Feb 1994 but manufactured in August 1992...

I drove a 2.0 i.e. as a courtesy car from Auto Integrale (before Keith bought the Puntos) and quite liked it. It pulled nicely with the only thing missing being the punch in the back of the seat when the turbo kicks in!  Smiley
They're an under-rated car.

Look forward to meeting you & car at future events!
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ian.cleary
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« Reply #8 on: 03 July, 2008, 04:33:37 PM »

Hi Ian,

Going by the fact that your car has the 2 oil gauges your Dedra is obviously a series 1, without a Kat, which appeared early on 1992 cars.

A lot of Dedra's that came here had a variety of options as standard but of the five I've owned, none have had the same spec!

However, a lot of 2.0ie didn't have the electric rear windows, in fact it was only my first one 1990 2.0iese that had them, but it did have electronic suspension, headlamp wash wipe, remote central locking, electronic heater controls with outside temperature gauge (contrary to what I've seen advertised on Dedras for sale, NO UK spec Cars were ever fitted with climate control, for some reason it was decided not to have aircon on the UK cars, what a missed opportunity) , ABS, oil pressure & oil temperature gauges, much more useful than the stupid voltmeter they replaced it with from 1992 on.

All cars that came here had sunroofs (at least I 've never seen one without that I can remember) originally I thought that all UK cars came with folding rear seats except on HF Turbo's that had leather, until I bought K452 PLK which didn't Huh?

All 2.0ie came with Alcantara while 1.8 & 1.6 had cloth as standard, although  Alcantara was an option on 1.8. all have the folding front armrest.

A 3 Channel ABS set up was available on 1.8 & 1.6 but I can only remember seeing one with this set up.


Metallic paint was an option.

While I can see that cost came into it when buying new, I've always thought that the 2.0 is a better buy as a used car than the 1.8, much higher specs came with the 2.0 and there are no differences when it comes to buying engine parts or servicing costs between the 2 models, as they both basically have the same engine and the 1.8 loses out slightly on performance, that said a well driven 1.8 would usually not be too far behind a 2.0. Braking with Ventilated front discs on the 2.0 were also an advantage.
The surprising one to me, of the 3 engine sizes that came here is the 1.6, especially the later ones with the uprated engine, I've always found it quite amazing how well the 1.6 performs, which is considerably better than you would think for a 1.6 pulling around the (Heavy) Dedra body.

I love them all, but what I really want is a 1995 2.0 (non Turbo) integrale SW, although I found one in Holland last year, I couldn't afford it, or to be honest couldn't justify buying it Grin
Pity we never got the later cars and the good looking SW in RHD.

Brian
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Interesting stuff Brian, I'm pretty hungry for Dedra trivia so this is all fascinating to me. It's strange that you mention not seeing a sunroof-less Dedra in the UK, the one my dad had (GXXXWTL) was a 1.8ie in (I think) Caribbean Blue with cloth (West of England Woolcloth I think...) interior, no sunroof, manual windows in the back and a two speaker Blaupunkt Cambridge set-up for audio. He also had the economy gauge rather than the oil gauges and the same alloy wheels as I have.

On the subject of the alloys... mine are a bit untidy, not dreadful but could use a refurb because of lifted lacquer and oxidisation... I've seen that Zagato can provide refurbished alloy wheels to original or other spec for 49 - 79 per wheel... is this a good deal and does anyone have a comment about the durability of the refinishing? The Dedra will not be a trailer queen so the wheels need to be good enough to deal with daily grime, brake dust and the such.

Cheers
Ian
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« Reply #9 on: 03 July, 2008, 05:20:07 PM »

I was fortunate enough to be able to buy new wheels for my Dedra prior to the Turin trip. They gave me a trade-in against my wheels (as they didn't have any Turbo wheels to refurbish) so I had new all round for 200.

They looked great... for the first year or so. Then the white spots started to appear. Not many, and not big - just specks, really, but once you know they're there, your eyes are drawn to them. The lacquer just isn't much cop at fending off water. I'd say, that unless your car is a fair-weather car only, then consider something other than replacing to the original specification.
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« Reply #10 on: 03 July, 2008, 05:56:53 PM »

Hmmm... that's interesting to know Harvey. I really don't know what else would look right on a Dedra, I half thought about some HF Integrale wheels, the 15" ones as they are still Lancia rims.

It's going to be a couple of months at least before I could afford to refurb or replace, and then we're almost into winter... so perhaps would be a good idea to park the wheels until next spring and crack on with the other jobs, maintaining and enjoying the car.

Half the fun of ownership is bench racing ;-)
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« Reply #11 on: 03 July, 2008, 07:21:36 PM »

Hi Ian

Welcome to the club and the forum.  My 97 Ypsilon had original Lancia alloys when I bought it and, as with many I've seen from the 1990s, they were badly delaminated and oxidised.  Luckily I managed to source some new 15" Cromodora Abarth alloys from my local Fiat dealer, the ones that were fitted to the Punto Sporting.  They're not Lancia I know but seem to fit the look of the Ypsi perfectly.  I've seen Integrale alloys on various different cars, from 2WD Deltas to Y10s (or are they Delta Turbo, I can't remember Roll Eyes), I can't imagine them looking out of place on the Dedra, I'm assuming they'd fit.

I agree about the Lancia smell.  The first time I got into Andy Collins' Y10 Selectronic it was instantly recognisable as my 1989 and 1986 Y10s, my friends' Prisma 1.6ie and Prisma Symbol (a lovely car) and Chris Owen's unbelievably immaculate Delta 1300.  Come to think of it, my Dad's Fiat Regata 85 smelt the same!

Hope to see you around some time, it sounds like you've got a lovely car.

Lee

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« Reply #12 on: 04 July, 2008, 01:25:17 AM »

Hi Ian,
I would agree with Lee & Chris regarding longevity of the finish of Dedra Alloys, I also bought new wheels for 200 a set about 4 years ago, they were a great bargain as originally the cost 189 each. I actually bought and fitted the 15" Dedra Turbo wheels,  and fitted 195x50 tyres, looked great and filled the wheelarches better than the 14" wheels, but ruined the ride which was very harsh. Thema wheels also fit, try Andy at Desira in Norfolk 01379 650131; as I know someone who still managed to get a set new last year from Fiat/Lancia.

The only way I kept the finish in good order for more than 1 year was by spraying them with WD 40 every week in the winter, but even then by the second year they were going again.

The Alloys on my first Dedra a 1990 2.0iese went terrible, in fact Lancia replaced no end of Alloys under warranty, they changed the supplier but still had the problem Sad I digress, eventually I changed for a set of TSW wheels that looked good and never went crappy, thinking about it I seem to remember trying a Graphite colour enameled wheel fitted to my Y elefantino Rosso to one of my Dedra's, it fitted and looked pretty good, although I don't think there is anything to touch seeing the Dedra on the wheels it came with.

Photos show New Dedra Wheels on K452 PLK with Y showing Graphite Coloured  wheels, 2 of H851 WMR with TSW Wheels during photo shoot for AutoItalia comparing Dedra , Alfa 75, & Tipo 16v as bargain buy Italian cars.
Last shot is a very dirty H851 WMR with TSW's, a lowered 1.8 on Standard Wheels & Series 2 LHD only Delta HPE back in 1997 on "Dedra's in Derbyshire", these wheels would also look nice on a Dedra and are enamelled.

Brian
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« Reply #13 on: 04 July, 2008, 09:07:55 AM »

Good to see a Dedra on something else for comparison. My local wheel specialist has these wheels at 245.00 which I thought would look OK:



http://tyremen.myshopify.com/products/14-alutec-spyke-lancia

I guess that once tyres are added into the picture it's going to be @ 550.00, so definitely something that will come as a lower priority than some jobs such as sorting out the minor dings and scabs in the body. The wheels that are on looks presentable, and I guess anyone that knows Dedra alloys will not crucify me for a little lifted lacquer as it seems impossible to avoid.

On a different note, I had a run from Hull to Halifax last night, cruising at a steady 55-60mph I got there and back on 1/4 tank which was a pleasant surprise, so I guess a little over 35mpg... does that sound about right?

I really must sort out the heater, it's lovely and warm driving along with the sunroof open at night but the ability to have cool air blown would be a real treat. I guess I need to follow the blue cable down behind the glovebox and see what's what... I'm anticipating some kind of seized metal valve, controlled by a plastic lever... Wink

Only other thing is a smell of hot oil that I get if I accelerate hard. Steve did mention that the car would burn a little oil and that he suspected piston wear as the cause... any other suggestions for the oil smell or should I assume that his diagnosis is correct and start budgeting for a rebuild in the future and driving sympathetically (which I do naturally) in the present?

Really appreciating all of the input guys, perhaps I should call time on the "hello" and start a thread for my Dedra in the model specific section? What is the view taken on this kind of thing. On fora like Retro Rides I've enjoyed keeping a "readers ride" thread and over time reading back on the developments of the car. Yay or nay for this approach on the LMC board?

Cheers
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« Reply #14 on: 04 July, 2008, 09:34:07 AM »

Go for it!

I managed about 35mpg in my Turbo if I didn't let the turbo engage, so it seems about right. I also had to top up the oil fairly regularly, and I'd heard it was a characteristic of the car. I've been alarmed that my Ypsilon doesn't seem to use oil - not a proper Lancia at all!

As Brian commented, no air-con on UK Dedras. Italians didn't seem to think it gets above 15 degrees in the UK...  Huh?
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