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« Reply #30 on: 12 April, 2022, 05:55:49 PM »

ps - I have only just noticed my spelling mistake for " rejuvenation"  ...... sorry, been in France too long
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« Reply #31 on: 13 April, 2022, 04:18:42 PM »

Thanks Simon, that explains it, I did notice you used a S2 water pump on your Cabrio, with the front intake blanked off. So looking at Sebastien engine bay I would say itís an S1 car as you can see the wiper motor, plus no air vent, so I am guessing the copper pipe is either interior heater or a cold water bypass, as it's before the thermostat valve.       
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« Reply #32 on: 13 April, 2022, 04:40:23 PM »

The copper pipe is an additional water exit from the cylinder head, which was fitted by Gamberini to alleviate cooling problems at the rear of the cylinder head. This is what I was told by the owner of a similar Aprilia, this is not a picture of my car!




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« Reply #33 on: 13 April, 2022, 08:33:35 PM »

I am intrigued by the suggestion of a connection between the front of the water pump and the inlet manifold water jacket. I am looking at two series one manifolds; they each have a boss which could take a banjo connection for a copper pipe. Neither manifold has been machined to do that. Do you think it was Lanciaís intention to fit such a pipe so that water would circulate? If so, why did they not do it? I do not actually see an advantage of there being a flow of water. If anything, it might take even longer for the manifold to warm up, and once all the water is warm, there is no advantage. The relevant TAV (7a) for S1 does not show such a pipe.

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« Reply #34 on: 15 April, 2022, 05:25:06 PM »

The S1 and S2 inlet manifolds are quite different and you can see that water circulates through the manifold via the water pump. It works perfectly well without the pipe because my car has always been blocked off and been fine. I will however put it back as it was originally

My car has now gone to Dog for the engine bay to be cleaned up and be painted, plus I did some other Lancia (not mine) moving today ..... nice to see an Ardea and S1 Appia together

PS Happy Easter


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« Reply #35 on: 21 April, 2022, 04:48:32 PM »

Engine bay has started to be prep'ed along with the dash ,screen surround and under bonnet.

Initially I had planned to paint the engine bay all black, but now it's to be body colour (green) and black so I decided to paint the dash because it was very tired and paint had started to flake badly - plus we have to mix some green paint anyway

A couple of other little jobs to do whilst we are at it - couple of small stress cracks and the valance is a bit messy, so these can be straightened and welded up without the worry of damaging anything else. The screws holding the wings on will be removed as well so that they don't get painted

A very rare treat yesterday, I got to see an amazing time-warp Ardennes - here are a couple of photos of the tool kit in the original, dry and hardened  leather bags. These are French supplied items and different to the Italian equivalents, but utterly original and I suspect the only set like this in existence - please prove me wrong !!

If I get approval from the owner I will photograph the car in detail , it is really very special . I am helping supply some missing/damaged parts


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« Reply #36 on: 04 May, 2022, 01:12:10 PM »

Trying to avoid "restoration creep" but it made sense to repaint both sides of the flutes at the side of the engine bay, especially since it will all now be the same colour


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« Reply #37 on: 04 May, 2022, 04:39:39 PM »


The joy of amateur restoration is that creep can be embraced rather than feared.  When you're done you'll only be looking for something else to tinker with.  Its a cliche with model engineers that they loose interest once its finished, its just a big lump in the way, much like people don't frame every jigsaw they do and fisherman often catch something, take the photo, and then throw it back.
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« Reply #38 on: 10 May, 2022, 06:09:31 AM »

Thanks for your comments David, the only issue for me is that I have such a long list of things to tinker with, I don't need to look !

My tinkering time is further complicated by farming with old and outdated machinery - my rotovator is old, my sprayer is old, my plough is old etc etc , no wonder my finger nails are always chipped and dirty

Couple of pictures of the black parts being painted by Dog - I am hoping to get the car back this week


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« Reply #39 on: 28 May, 2022, 05:49:23 AM »

Car should be back with me next week. Quite a lot of fiddle and tidying before paint goes on

The car has had an accident during its time (before 1970) resulting in 2 different sliding pillar designs amongst other details, but it also left some slightly tatty repairs so while the engine is out and it is all accessible and without risking damage to wiring/brake lines etc we have done some more detailed repairs

But we've not been idle - the Mini Moke has had a new head gasket and steering rack (not easy on an early car) as well as rebuilding the Cardellino. It's not a Lancia but it is very pretty , so no apologies for the photo !



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« Reply #40 on: 08 June, 2022, 07:51:35 AM »

Getting closer .....

Hopefully getting the car back this week - Dog has been a real perfectionist - again, but colour should be going on tomorrow


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« Reply #41 on: 16 June, 2022, 03:07:14 PM »

Car back this morning and it looks fabulous ..... colour match is very good, the photos wash the new colour out a bit , but in the flesh it is very, very close.

Interestingly the colour done by "spectro" was way off, so Dog mixed it by "eye"

The bulkhead shroud in satin black (and dust) just sitting in place on the last photo

Next job is to repaint the inner wings in my anti-rust paint , and underneath in satin black where there has been some overspray. Then rewiring ......


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« Reply #42 on: 17 June, 2022, 07:05:23 AM »

That looks nice Simon....and I imagine it is a pleasure to work on as everything is clean. Will you make a new front loom or maybe buy one?
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« Reply #43 on: 17 June, 2022, 11:13:34 AM »

Hi Simon,
'DOG' has done a fine job - real painters use their eye, rather than technology!
Re-fitting the engine/wiring/pipes will be a pleasure (I hope)!!
 
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« Reply #44 on: 20 June, 2022, 12:52:41 PM »

Thanks for your comments

Re loom, I'm going to make it from some nice modern, woven wire. It's all black and the walls are slightly thinner than the original so I should be able to fit the extra indicator wires down the coiled tubing without too much problem

The aluminium tags will be cleaned up and reused

Just starting to get my head around it all , so first off is the easiest part of the loom - the RHS light/ignition circuit. I am going to attach the sections to the wooden board and then copy and modify them one at a time


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