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Author Topic: Delta 1600 GTs (and also 1300 and 1500 Deltas)  (Read 9363 times)
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GerardJPC
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« on: 21 May, 2021, 02:36:33 PM »

Hello, I have a strange yen to own an earlyish Delta that is definitely not an Integrale or an HF.  Maybe one of the SOHC 1300 or 1500s, but the lure of the Lampredi twin-cammed 1600 GT is also there.  I expect that I would have to go to Italy to get one of these cars (prices in the Italian adverts vary widely).  Does anyone here have any experience of driving these Deltas that linger in the shade of their more illustrious siblings?    Thanks!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB_XbJ_Wma0
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1962 Appia Berlina
1973 2000 HF Coupe
1978 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe 1800
1981 Lotus Eclat S2
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Yamaha YB 100
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2005 Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon Q4
2009 Jaguar XK 5.0
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« Reply #1 on: 21 May, 2021, 02:48:38 PM »

We have a "French" 1600 GTie as a daily in south of France - I think it is faster than my 1600HF Fulvia but the ride is softer. Handles very well. If living in salt free environment they survive well due to the zinc coating on the chassis. It is also quite economic even driven hard. We have bought it back to the UK twice to do routine maintenance on it. Never missed a beat.
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1955 Aurelia B12
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1972 Fulvia 1600HF
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1983 HPE VX
1988 Delta 1.6GTie
1998 Zeta 21.  12v
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« Reply #2 on: 21 May, 2021, 04:06:07 PM »

Thanks!  The unadorned Delta is one of the very few five door hatchbacks that I think is a good looking car.  Giugiaro on top form.
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1962 Appia Berlina
1973 2000 HF Coupe
1978 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe 1800
1981 Lotus Eclat S2
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Yamaha YB 100
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2005 Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon Q4
2009 Jaguar XK 5.0
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« Reply #3 on: 21 May, 2021, 04:21:13 PM »

Lovely basic car with steelies, but rather expensive -


https://www.classic-trader.com/uk/cars/listing/lancia/delta/delta/1984/240897

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1962 Appia Berlina
1973 2000 HF Coupe
1978 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe 1800
1981 Lotus Eclat S2
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Yamaha YB 100
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2005 Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon Q4
2009 Jaguar XK 5.0
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« Reply #4 on: 21 May, 2021, 06:39:27 PM »

My first Delta, indeed my first Lancia, was a single cam 1.5. After being used to Mk2 Escorts and Fiestas it was a revelation, not only in the handling department compared to the Ford offerings (why are they so highly rated now  Huh?) but toi my surprise the power didn't tail off at 4,000 rpm like in other cars we were used to as teenagers, the Delta seemed to have an extra power band once above that range and loved to rev out to the redline. Loved that car even if I did have to replace the metal fuel tank as it was like swiss cheese, we even tried welding it whilst full of water but it still leaked, remember placing the order at Mountview Motors Lancia agent in Horncastle as you couldn't get a pattern one, was around £150 from memory and the parts guy seemed reluctant to order one thinking I must be mad as the car only cost me about that to buy! This would have been about 1987 and the car wasn't that old although I can't recall the Reg. No. now.
I also recall the gear linkage falling out of the floor when one too many J turns was done whilst trying to impress a young lady one Sunday afternoon in Mablethorpe car park  Grin Had to drive home holding the gear lever up to stop it dragging on the road, don't think the girl was that impressed and I didn't see her again. The car didn't last too much longer either, can't recall what did eventually finish it off but was most likely due to my youthful exuberance. Not long after that I bought a Mk1 Astra and went rallying, an ex Vauxhall Astra/Nova challenge car, had some great fun with that too. Colin McRae was just finishing driving a Nova before getting the Prodrive Subaru Legacy, after an outing or two in Dads Sierra. A great time to be in Rallying.
I have a Clio 172 ex race car sat in my shed which I've never used but threaten to convert to Tarmac Rally spec, before I get way too old to remember anything!   
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« Reply #5 on: 22 May, 2021, 02:57:27 AM »

Markets are rarely rational (which is why quite a lot of economic theories are unhelpful as a guide to what will actually happen), and the market for 1970s Fords is overheated and has been for some time.   My Fiat 124 and my Lancia Beta each easily outperform their Ford rivals, but are worth way less.    I regard this as good news, because I buy classic cars to drive and not as investments, and rarely wish to pay more than about 8K for a classic car.   If I had old Ford (or Delta Integrale) amounts of money, I would spend it on something like a Flaminia.  The only old Ford that I would like to own would be a Model T or a Model A, for historical reasons.  There is a 1925 Model T for sale near my house, for about 8K, but I shall resist.

My itch to have a basic, low powered Delta may not be so itchy that I will go to the trouble of bringing one over from Europe, but I will keep an eye out... 
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1962 Appia Berlina
1973 2000 HF Coupe
1978 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe 1800
1981 Lotus Eclat S2
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Yamaha YB 100
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2005 Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon Q4
2009 Jaguar XK 5.0
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« Reply #6 on: 22 May, 2021, 10:58:07 AM »

I've owned my 1300 LX for six years and also own an HF Turbo ie. Whilst the more powerful car is ultimately my favourite, the LX is so much fun due to its smooth and revvy engine and my car has also got a stainless steel exhaust which has a lovely rasp to it. It handles well although is quite soft. I have always wondered what it would be like on stiffer springs but that might end up ruining it. Obviously it's not fast but that just means you can drive at 10 tenths most of the time!

There really aren't many around now but they do come up for sale occasionally.

1989 Lancia Delta 1300 LX by Andy, on Flickr
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« Reply #7 on: 22 May, 2021, 11:47:34 AM »

As and the previous owner of that 1300LX I fully agree ! Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: 23 May, 2021, 09:59:05 AM »

This has just appeared on ebay...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265169122489?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Dbf21c46db9e442fc9f7db4154b792f61%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D274745772212%26itm%3D265169122489%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A1d1f517a-bbad-11eb-a782-de8ebcc6d98e%7Cparentrq%3A98a75cbb1790a77d141285eafff7fe37%7Ciid%3A1
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« Reply #9 on: 23 May, 2021, 10:42:39 AM »

Very fine, thanks!  The asking price seems a tad fullish.
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1962 Appia Berlina
1973 2000 HF Coupe
1978 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe 1800
1981 Lotus Eclat S2
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Yamaha YB 100
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2005 Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon Q4
2009 Jaguar XK 5.0
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« Reply #10 on: 23 May, 2021, 10:54:45 AM »

Hmmm...., might that be the same car that was on FB etc a while back as a slightly rusty 1200 quid barn find?
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1962 Appia Berlina
1973 2000 HF Coupe
1978 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe 1800
1981 Lotus Eclat S2
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Yamaha YB 100
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2005 Alfa Romeo 156 Crosswagon Q4
2009 Jaguar XK 5.0
Andy D
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« Reply #11 on: 23 May, 2021, 12:54:49 PM »

I don't remember seeing any early red Deltas come up before although I do recall a facelift car or two. The MOT history on this looks pretty encouraging but, like you say, that is a lot of money...

Here is a FB conversation about it: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lmcuk/permalink/3930624100361286/
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« Reply #12 on: 23 May, 2021, 02:12:20 PM »

Now that takes me back, looks a peach.
Little details you forget about like the way the lower lip on the front bumper tucks in at the sides, the Beta reminiscent gauges, all fantastic to see again and looks to be in great order. If it's been refreshed well then the price reflects what it is now worth I'd counter, certainly be every penny spent getting another car done up. Nice to see it.  Cool
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« Reply #13 on: 23 May, 2021, 06:27:15 PM »

Price does seem a bit optimistic, by comparison, my friend at European Classic Cars is just about to market a 2002 Alfa 147, one owner, red with tan leather interior, 17,000 miles, yours for less than £2K. I know it has the wrong badge on the front, but it is £6K cheaper.
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« Reply #14 on: 23 May, 2021, 08:31:58 PM »

Very fine, thanks!  The asking price seems a tad fullish.

The seller says 'Viewings are welcome and encouraged. There will be no negotiations undertaken for the price until a viewing has take place.' Is this not a heavy hint that the price is highly negotiable? I would imagine he has put a high figure on it to test demand while deterring idle enquirers.
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