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GerardJPC
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« Reply #60 on: 06 June, 2021, 07:25:18 AM »

Erm...., is that post perhaps a stray from another thread?
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1962 Appia Berlina
1975 2000 HF Coupe
1979 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe
1977 Princess 2200 HL
1981 Lotus Eclat S2 FOR SALE
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Moto Morini 350 S
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2009 Jaguar XK
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« Reply #61 on: 10 June, 2021, 10:27:48 AM »

The coolest car at Glyndebourne yesterday (with my mum, my nephew, and his girlfriend to see Rossini's Il Turco in Italia, which was done with a 1950s Italian neo-realist theme, Fiat 500s included).



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1962 Appia Berlina
1975 2000 HF Coupe
1979 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe
1977 Princess 2200 HL
1981 Lotus Eclat S2 FOR SALE
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Moto Morini 350 S
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2009 Jaguar XK
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« Reply #62 on: 10 June, 2021, 12:25:27 PM »


How comfortable was the rear seat for your passengers, may I ask?
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« Reply #63 on: 10 June, 2021, 12:50:38 PM »

They said that it was fine.  They may have been fibbing, of course!

The car was not super lively with four people and picnic stuff on board.
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1962 Appia Berlina
1975 2000 HF Coupe
1979 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe
1977 Princess 2200 HL
1981 Lotus Eclat S2 FOR SALE
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Moto Morini 350 S
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2009 Jaguar XK
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« Reply #64 on: 13 June, 2021, 01:24:50 PM »

Livelier two up.  Another trip to the opera, and overnight in East Sussex.




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1962 Appia Berlina
1975 2000 HF Coupe
1979 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe
1977 Princess 2200 HL
1981 Lotus Eclat S2 FOR SALE
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Moto Morini 350 S
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2009 Jaguar XK
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« Reply #65 on: 13 June, 2021, 07:05:39 PM »

It's in danger of becoming known as the "Opera Coupe".
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« Reply #66 on: 13 June, 2021, 07:28:05 PM »

Colour's right -

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1962 Appia Berlina
1975 2000 HF Coupe
1979 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe
1977 Princess 2200 HL
1981 Lotus Eclat S2 FOR SALE
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Moto Morini 350 S
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2009 Jaguar XK
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« Reply #67 on: 17 June, 2021, 04:35:11 PM »

Plentiful driving over the last few months have taken their toll: one small engine oil leak, one power steering fluid leak, and two coolant leaks.  All should be easy fixes, but the HF now gets a rest in the barn whilst my Beta takes the strain. 
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1962 Appia Berlina
1975 2000 HF Coupe
1979 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe
1977 Princess 2200 HL
1981 Lotus Eclat S2 FOR SALE
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Moto Morini 350 S
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2009 Jaguar XK
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« Reply #68 on: 18 June, 2021, 10:04:56 AM »

My father was a Production Engineer in British Leyland, and thus BL cars are very much wired into my system.  I have had various Triumphs, Landies, and a couple of Rovers.  My dad's favourite car was his Princess.  He had it from 1979 to 1983, and in it he drove me to my university interviews in December 1980, collected me a couple of days later (on the journey home we heard the news of John Lennon's death), and - the interviews having gone well - he drove me to university in the Princess in October 1981.

When I got the newly purchased Princess home yesterday after a smooooooooooth journey from Southampton to South Oxfordshire, my 83 year old mum shed a tear when she saw me getting out of the car.  She said that she had seen a ghost.  I gave her a hug and we had a drink in memory of my dad.  Now I have to decide whether when I take my mum to Glyndebourne on Wednesday we go in the HF or in the Princess.



 

That's a lovely looking car. I always liked the design of the princess and think it's under-rated. Although from memory, the ones I used to see in the flesh often looked too high on the rear suspension for some reason. Any more pics of your new purchase please?

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« Reply #69 on: 18 June, 2021, 02:32:30 PM »

I am delighted with the Princess, which is a smooth and wafty drive.  The high gearing means that even though it lacks a fifth gear it cruises quietly at 80 on the motorway.  Unlike the Allegro, which was ruined when being industrialised, Harris Mann's design for the Princess was industrialised with few changes, although BL made the mistake of not including the hatchback that Mann had drawn for the car.

Here are some pictures.















 
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1962 Appia Berlina
1975 2000 HF Coupe
1979 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe
1977 Princess 2200 HL
1981 Lotus Eclat S2 FOR SALE
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Moto Morini 350 S
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2009 Jaguar XK
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« Reply #70 on: 05 July, 2021, 07:18:23 AM »

At a local car show with my brother's TR7.

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1962 Appia Berlina
1975 2000 HF Coupe
1979 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe
1977 Princess 2200 HL
1981 Lotus Eclat S2 FOR SALE
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Moto Morini 350 S
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2009 Jaguar XK
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« Reply #71 on: 05 July, 2021, 10:22:19 AM »

The lack of a tailgate is an interesting point. We take a tailgate for granted these days but I recall in the mid eighties opinion was divided in the case of executive cars, specifically the Ford Granada Mk 3 or Scorpio. The argument was that the "executive" in the back seat should remain cossetted while his driver put the suit cases in the boot. The same issue notably applies to the Gamma Berlina.
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« Reply #72 on: 05 July, 2021, 03:10:05 PM »

Rover boldly chose a hatchback for the SD1, which has an enormous load carrying capacity.
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1962 Appia Berlina
1975 2000 HF Coupe
1979 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe
1977 Princess 2200 HL
1981 Lotus Eclat S2 FOR SALE
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Moto Morini 350 S
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2009 Jaguar XK
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« Reply #73 on: 19 July, 2021, 06:36:58 AM »

Talking of load carrying, holiday time -


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1962 Appia Berlina
1975 2000 HF Coupe
1979 Beta 1600 Coupe

1973 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe
1977 Princess 2200 HL
1981 Lotus Eclat S2 FOR SALE
1982 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza
1982 Moto Morini 350 S
1983 Land Rover SIII 88
2009 Jaguar XK
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« Reply #74 on: 29 December, 2021, 03:55:32 PM »

BODGE ALERT!

The throttle cable is intact.  I was misled on a quick shuftie by a frayed bit of cable end hanging off at the top.  Someone has fitted a second eyelet to space the cable end. The issue was an old bodge: some fuel pipe that had been used as a cable guide had jammed under the pedal linkage.

Hands up 🙋‍♂️ Bodger/Owner#5 reporting for duty. Iím sure I did it in haste to get the car back on the road after rebuilding it and to avoid further fraying of the cable on the very sharp edges of the bulkhead. It seems to have served its purpose well. It now falls to you to implement a suitable upgrade for the next 10+ years!

Your car already kind of has its own Forum thread from 2010 hereÖ

http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=15886d77c23009ba93a06f6f65710a19&topic=3392.0

And hereís a photo gallery from when I was selling it back to the UK around 2015Ö

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0JGDdyTvGzoFiK

I bought the car in 2005 but timed out on having it ready for the Lancia centenary in Turin in 2006. As it turns out, I doubt it would have been a good idea to attempt the journey to Italy on the basis of only a cosmetic make-over. However after more extensive rebuilding the car ran flawlessly to Trieste for the Flavia 50th in 2010 which was a testament to it and a very satisfying reward for all my work. It also cost me virtually nothing beyond the respray and running costs.

Early in my ownership in Oireland, the car was resprayed in a modern Lancia bordeaux colour with only cosmetic repairs and no structural work required on my account. I will never know but I suspect the paint shop lifted the car on the sills against my specific advice and crumpled one of them ahead of the front b-pillar. Something was mentioned of a repair being necessary there as it was full of filler. I later fibreglassed a small hole in the passenger footwell myself and that rust hole you fixed in the rear arch rings a bell too. A fellow HF owner had black lower side-striping like the originals made up and I fitted some to the car after the respray. I didnít want white ones.

At the time of the respray I replaced the doors with better HF ones that came with the car and replaced the bonnet with a standard coupe one. Hence the errant bonnet badge which I retained as it was enamel and in quite nice condition.  I went to no end of trouble to align the bonnet so that the chrome trims looked smart. However the doors were a bit of a pain as I only got to first fit them after they had been painted (unmemorably outdoors in the rain) and they never quite sat right but could have been a lot worse. It took over a day per side to rebuild all the innards including the cable window winding assembly but very satisfying when done with new rain channels.

In this and separate events during my ownership, the car was fully dismantled - except for the dash - and reassembled but no engine work was done. Before the respray, I had the rear axle out as the springs sagged badly and one side was broken. Spare springs also came with the car and  I added a leaf to these and was happy with the result which made it sit pleasingly high and also improved its passenger and load-carrying ability. It may have been the adjustment of the panhard rod but I felt the car was always a bit off line at the back end (one purist drew attention to the non-original line of the lower rear wing below the bumper line) and that the tyre to wheel-arch measurements were uneven. I attributed all this to the smack it got around the rear wing area before owner #4. I did my best to align, realign and level it out and learned a lot in the process.

Later I broke the quill shaft in the gearbox so the front subframe came out and everything up front got fully dismantled, cleaned, painted and rebuilt. I had bought a replacement 2000HF spec box on eBay which came in handy. I regretted not replacing more steering and suspension parts with new such as ball joints and bushes but if things looked ok they went back in. Your replacement of the idler box bushes should transform the steering and handling.

I replaced the fuel and brake lines and rebuilt the callipers and master cylinder myself but the brakes were always pants. Again I may or may not have replaced the pressure adjuster to the rear. Knowing what I know now, Iíd recommend a professional reconditioning of the callipers and master and replacement of the adjuster. I found fluid in the servo bellows before the master cylinder rebuild.

I have some pictures of all this dismantling and rebuilding which I can post in the same place as the iCloud gallery above if you can see it.

Otherwise and, being somewhat hand built at PininFarina, the car was a delight to dismantle and reassemble with never-ending surprises in the detail of the construction methods.

At one stage I needed to tow a Y10 to a Lancia event so that an overseas visitor could use one of my cars. I bought a bespoke 2000 coupe tow bar from Watling Engineers in St Albans who had one on the shelf for about £120 iirc. Plus postage. Later I went to them looking for a Fulvia Berlina tow bar and I think they wanted £multiples of this to make one up from their jigs. I could be back to them yet as the product quality was great.  When I went to fit the towbar to the HF in a very big hurry on the night before the event, I was awfully happy to find that the fitting holes were already pre-drilled in the chassis and it was just a 30 minute bolt-up job! On enquiring from owner #4 he said he had removed a towbar from the car when he got it so Iím guessing it was also a Watling. Thus the HF ended up towing the same trailer/dolly on which it had first arrived in Ireland in 2005. And that wasnít the end of its towing career eitherÖ

Overall I got great use out of the car and sold it partly because I didnít have the appetite for doing it all over again and partly because, by 2015, HFs weíre making more than ten times what I had paid for it in 2005. And I needed the money. I drove it to the UK on itís swansong voyage to deliver it to dealer owner #6 who resprayed it as it is now and re-installed/reupholstered the original seats before moving it on to a LMC member. I think I got a lift home in a friendís Thema 8-32 but the most unusual thing about that was that I didnít bring home another Lancia myself!

Alan#2



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