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Author Topic: Series 1 Fulvia Berlina colour  (Read 1523 times)
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« on: 08 April, 2020, 06:26:32 PM »

Hi Folks,
It might seem a bit trivial in such trying times to be talking car colours but itís distracting from all the very sad news around. If anyone out there is or has family or friends affected then you have my best wishes.

Anyway on to the subject of Lancia colours. I have two Series 1 Berlina GTEs both LHD, both 1969, and both imported from Italy. Both also in generally very good condition. The most recent purchase is in the colour scheme Bianco Saratoga with blue cloth (panno blue) interior. The seats are in terrible condition but I hope to be able complete re-upholstery back to original soon. Anyway no mystery with that carís colour scheme, itís consistent with Lancia catalogue information and a few other examples with same colour scheme are easily seen after a google search both Berlina and coupe.

The other car, the first one I bought is more complicated and probably not in original colour. Here is a photo of the car from the sale details from 2016. The interior is black vinyl, (TVE Nero) in good condition and no doubt the result of re-upholstery in the past.

When at first I bought the car, my first Lancia, I believed it to be white, but looking at it side by side with the Bianco Saratoga car (see photos of both cars in my garage) itís obvious that the first car is not white.

I would like to know what you guys think the colour is. Iím pretty sure it is one of the varieties of Ivory (Avorio), but having researched to the best of my ability Iím also pretty sure that Avorio was not a Lancia Series 1 Fulvia Berlina colour. It is most likely to be Avorio Antico than any other variety. Avorio Santa Anita, a Fulvia sport colour is more yellow, but Avorio Chantilly is another candidate. See colour chart snips.
As I said none of those colours are known to be Series 1 Fulvia Berlina colours so it seems likely that the car was repainted at some stage in its life. Not totally surprising for a 50 yr old car. I should go looking in out of the way places for original colour. Does anyone know which part of the car would be the easiest to look at for signs of old colour?

I should say that Iím not going to change the colour of the car but it looks like if it had been an original colour then Lancia would not have offered it with black vinyl interior. TVE Cuolo (bizzarly vinyl leather as far as I can tell) being the most likely scheme. But having said that it doesnít look bad with the black interior. Final photo.
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« Reply #1 on: 08 April, 2020, 06:29:12 PM »

Ok so apologies because the forum wouldnít let me attach the photos I wanted to with the first post so I suspect there is a number or size limit so Iíll try to do it in batches.

Cheers Tom


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« Reply #2 on: 08 April, 2020, 06:35:49 PM »

Two more photos.


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« Reply #3 on: 08 April, 2020, 06:37:39 PM »

And more


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« Reply #4 on: 08 April, 2020, 06:39:02 PM »

Last one


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« Reply #5 on: 08 April, 2020, 09:14:35 PM »

Arvorio chantilly was a Lancia colour for the GTE. Arvorio antico is the cream colour specified for the steel wheels of a lot of Lancias in the 60ís
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« Reply #6 on: 08 April, 2020, 09:34:32 PM »

Hi Tim, thanks for that quick response. I was hoping you would have an answer.

Do you have a reference colour chart for the Berlina GTE?, and it would be good to know what the catalogue said about matching interior colours. Iím probably wrong on my contention then that TVE Nero was not an original interior colour for the car.

Do you know if the list of available colours for the Berlina GTE differed from the contemporary 2C?

Cheers

Stay safe

Tom
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« Reply #7 on: 08 April, 2020, 10:04:53 PM »

The quality of vinyl used by Lancia for the interiors of S1 Fulvia Berlinas was very high and 60 years later is usually in very good condition. I think black vinyl was the norm for light coloured GTEs judging by the cars advertised for sale in Italy. The only problem is that the seat stitching rots and the inner foam crumbles. We have recently had our GTE front seats completely  refoamed and restitched by a !ocal trimmer.I
As to co!our combinations and materials (and metric/imperial instrumenfs) I think we were still in the age when one could specify exactly what was wanted when ordering a new car from Lancia. .
Our aluminium Fulvia Sport was collected from Turin  by a Brit working in Rome and  was ordered with Imperial instruments but of course was lhd.......and our GTE was ordered by a Swiss gentleman of Zurich with Metric instruments but right hand drive  and spent its whole life before us in Switzerland.
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« Reply #8 on: 08 April, 2020, 10:26:23 PM »

Hi Chris,
Thanks for your input. That makes good sense that you could have whatever colour combination you asked for. After all Lancias were not inexpensive cars even in Italy.
As for your GTE it might be that the Swiss  owner previously drove a RHD car like a series 1 Appia. They were RHD were they not...and he just was used to that.

Iím positive the seats on my Avorio GTE have been retrimmed, and the foam seems to give decent support. Not so the Bianco Saratoga car. The seats are in shocking condition and the foam will need to be repaired or replaced on the front seat cushions.
Are you in the UK now during this period? Wherever you are stay safe.
Maybe you could help with the wanted part I put another post on today for the radio insert on the dash.

Regards

Tom
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« Reply #9 on: 09 April, 2020, 05:58:00 AM »

Tom
The GTE shared paint codes with the 2C but also had a few metalic and shades of blue paints shared with the coupe.
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« Reply #10 on: 09 April, 2020, 08:41:11 PM »

If you remove the back seat squab you may be lucky, as my 2c was all original paint and it was body colour behind there, as well as finding  the job number in chalk.
As Chris says the original vinyl is really good uality, I'm always being asked is mine leather, or that the re - trim looks good, so I wouldn't be surprised if its original.
I had my front cushions taken apart and re stitched 20 years ago, but one is going again.
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« Reply #11 on: 09 April, 2020, 09:45:03 PM »

Thanks Brian for your reply.
Thatís a good idea to look under the rear seat. Iím not where the cars are at the moment but Iíll be able to look when I return. I have also come to realise from other posts that there might be a colour tag...in the glove compartment I believe so Iíll check that too.
If as Tim advises Avorio Chantilly is an original colour for the Berlina GTE then itís likely that the car is in original colour which is a nice thought. As far as the seats are concerned Iím thinking that the seats were indeed probably black vinyl..for one thing the armrests match the seats so although they could have been recoloured or replaced it kind of supports the idea that the car is in its original colour combination. It would have been nice to see that in a reference but Iím happy to work on that basis.
I also think that on both my cars the wheels are same colour as the body. I think thatís the right thing. If the car was green or blue then the Ďcorrectí colour of Avorio Antico would work but for a whitish body then wheels of a slightly different colour might be more original but it just looks quirky to my eyes....see photo.


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« Reply #12 on: 09 April, 2020, 10:36:34 PM »

I've seen many variations in colour and trim material used on Series I Berlinas from Italy and elsewhere, whereas we only seemed to have had vinyl here.
Early Berlinas such as my 2c, had the door armrests, the door pads, and the pockets in the footwell in the same colour and material as the seats.
This changed about 1966 to black on all models irrespective of the interior trim and seats.
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« Reply #13 on: 09 April, 2020, 11:18:21 PM »

Thatís an interesting point Brian, but it may not have been across the range. My Bianco Saratoga car has armrests to match the vinyl colour of the seat lower sections and door trim, although the seat faces and door trim inserts are of Royal blue cloth. However a while ago I copied some photos of a very nice 2C that was for sale in the Netherlands (at about Ä15,000) it had the same Bianco Saratoga and blue cloth colour colour scheme as my car but looking now I see that indeed the armrests and the pocket in the drivers footwell are black.
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« Reply #14 on: 10 April, 2020, 06:16:44 PM »

Hi Tom

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