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Dikappa
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« Reply #180 on: 21 October, 2020, 06:16:02 PM »

Today started on a job pushed ahaed of me way too long, ie to prepare some stuff to be plated...window frames are not ready yet but a lot of small stuff could already get done, and I want the wheel spinners de-chromed in order to repair them where necesary, and fit the new centers.


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« Reply #181 on: 21 October, 2020, 10:02:57 PM »

As your car is a VIIth series the finish should be nickel, not chrome - quite a different colour.   Make sure they put a good thick layer of copper on first.   My VIIth was restored in Oz and the nickel was put straight onto the steel.   No doubt that would last well in the sunshine of Adelaide but it did not survive many British winters and I had to get it redone.   Ten years later it is still entirely sound.
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David Wheeler.  Lambdas, Aprilia, Fulvia Sport.(formerly Appia and Thema as well).
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« Reply #182 on: 22 October, 2020, 02:55:53 PM »

Hi David, yes nickel it will be, although my car is an 8th  Wink Later 8th can have chrome I heard but I like the look of Nickel much more.  But some of the parts with the car came already chromed, so will be 'converted'
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« Reply #183 on: 22 October, 2020, 10:05:29 PM »

Ah, I read VIIth in an earlier post.   My VIIIth is chrome but it was first registered November 1930.
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David Wheeler.  Lambdas, Aprilia, Fulvia Sport.(formerly Appia and Thema as well).
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« Reply #184 on: 23 October, 2020, 08:25:09 AM »

Mine is German Silver, so that was probably an option, too.
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« Reply #185 on: 23 October, 2020, 10:42:29 AM »

I also prefer nickel plating to chrome but there seems to be more than one variety of it. The original 1920s style nickel plating is dull, has to be buffed up to make shiny and then polished ever after. The more common modern variety is bright nickel which comes out of the vat shiny and never seems to tarnish or need polishing. I have that on my Salmson radiator which has never needed polishing in 35 years. I suppose this difference is due to a mix of metals in the plating vat rather than just plain nickel.

One of the hubcaps of the Augusta had evidently been replated chrome direct onto steel and as soon as the car escaped Italy the plating fell off and is now being redone with a copper base coat.

German silver oddly contains much more copper than nickel and is the metal used for radiator shells by RR before stainless steel came into use in the very late 1920's. It does like to be polished.

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« Reply #186 on: 23 October, 2020, 03:59:33 PM »

How does 'German silver' look, is it even more yellowish then Nickel even?

Never heard about that, but must confess this is all new to me...very steep learning curve with the Lambda (something like Covid new cases graphs....)

Nick Benwell told me that indeed late VIII th cars had chrome...

New stub axles arrived today, finally some parts that don't need scratching and peeling and cleaning before being painted......they look the part, will make some pics tomorrow!

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« Reply #187 on: 23 October, 2020, 07:05:05 PM »

It looks like nickel. I only found out when a heavy tripod fell from its support in the roof of my garage onto the Lambda and dented the radiator surround. Duncan Ricketts bashed it out straight and told me what it was. I had assumed it would need to be replated!
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« Reply #188 on: 23 October, 2020, 09:08:56 PM »

Looks like this - my last 20HP Rolls Royce. The radiator shell is german silver but the shutters other fittings and headlights are nickel plate. There is very little difference. Note the headlights are the original nickel - a bit mellowed and a lovely silky finish. The running board edge beadings are modern bright nickel but toned down a bit by judicious abrasion. A very original car seen at Tan Hill the highest pub in England.



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« Reply #189 on: 24 October, 2020, 06:28:08 AM »

Aha, thanks for that!   Do I understand correct German silver is a material rather than a plating? 
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« Reply #190 on: 24 October, 2020, 09:20:14 AM »

Yes!

This website https://www.dorsetware.com/types-nickel-plating/ explains the difference between the vintage period nickel plating which they describe as "dull nickel" and the modern "bright nickel" . It's down to the chemicals they use rather than additional metal elements like copper or zinc which are present  in German Silver. The latter has typically 60% copper, 20% nickel and 20% zinc accordinng to Wikipedia so very different to nickel plating even though similar in colour.

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« Reply #191 on: 24 October, 2020, 09:47:44 PM »

Mine is German Silver, so that was probably an option, too.

I think all the radiator shells are German Silver but the windscreen frame etc. is chrome on the VIIIth, nickel on the VIIth.
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« Reply #192 on: 25 October, 2020, 03:14:11 PM »

Not so much done over the weekend as some urgent work came up.  However in preparation of the nickel plating to be send out I took apart the Bosch spotlight.  Being absolutely amazed by the amount of bits this generated, I could not resist a staged picture of it all.  For the turning and tilting movement it even has two miniature thrust bearings....on the pic the rear view mirror is missing, as it was broken and would have added quite a bit more parts!  Soend some time on fabricating some special bolts here for various purposes also needing to get plated.

A question related to this: the reflector of this lamp and of the headlights are in fact in very good condition for their age, however dirty.  Can anyone advise on a good way to clean/polish these?

Some pics of the beautifull stub axless: so nicely made that it's almost a crime to hide them in the car....


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« Reply #193 on: 25 October, 2020, 05:47:36 PM »

Nothing simple on a Lancia!

Mike
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« Reply #194 on: 25 October, 2020, 06:42:04 PM »

The stub-axles should go on the wall
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