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Model Technical and Interest => Fulvia => Topic started by: simonandjuliet on 09 October, 2017, 06:43:59 PM



Title: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 09 October, 2017, 06:43:59 PM
However, I was contacted by a fellow forumiste who knew that I was persuadable to the idea of another project and he suggested a 1600 HF Lusso ......

We had an HF (EKB 846 L) when I was growing up, but it was before I could drive - I loved it and was itching to have a go. Unfortunately it was sold before I passed my test so I have always wondered what it would have been like to drive, so after a 35 year wait .....

This car was built in 1972 and has the correct "chairs & flares" etc, still has its bumpers and is complete and MOT'd and has done 33,000 miles. It has also been badly resprayed many years ago in a metallic Ford blue

It belonged to an American couple, Paul and Lily English who had 2 HFs , one they rallied and this , the spare car ! Unfortunately Paul died 18 months ago and Lily sold the rally car, but because this car had been stored for 9 years in a container, it took more time to get around to doing something with it.
She asked a friend who had been involved with their rally prep to get the car back on the road and sold. As expected it needed fuel , electrics and brakes doing , but it got an MOT last month and had done 8 miles since

I bought it, but unfortunately it was necessary to trailer the car to Portsmouth docks (I live more than 600 miles away in the south of France), so the first time I got to drive it was yesterday morning.

Leaving Le Havre, I was both excited and scared,and had no idea what was in store - and I had to get a move on because my wife was expecting me back last night so we could press our wines today.......

To cut a long story short, we (the HF and me) made it back last night, after 600 plus miles she gave 35 mpg, used no water and a good pint of oil. The subframe mounts came loose and she popped and banged a bit , and the wheels (flatspotted tyres ???) were badly out of balance, but apart from that an unadventurous, albeit noisy drive home. As a plus, she probably has the best 5 speed ZF box I have ever driven

I stuck to a self-imposed 3500 rpm limit, just to let things settle in , but this equated to a cruising speed of about 70mph, so reasonable. With stops, it took about 12 hours

In the daylight she stills looks fab and my wife is already hooked, despite the colour

There is a lot to do to get her right, not least a bare metal respray, no time pressures though - I also have a couple of other projects to finish first !!

Many thanks to Brian Hilton who has been instrumental and hugely helpful in my getting the HF, and it was a delight to catch up with him and Fay on Saturday and have lunch at the Shuttleworth collection at Old Warden




Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: Parisien on 09 October, 2017, 06:59:07 PM
Just lovely Simon, I think the word you were looking for was suggestible!!

Good that you got home safe and sound, I wonder when it last did a 600 mile trip in one day.

You'll soon have to move to a property with an even larger grange!

Good luck with this one.

P


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: frankxhv773t on 09 October, 2017, 07:44:34 PM
Ford colour or no it is very pretty. Congratulations.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: rogerelias on 09 October, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
Your gonna have to knock out a lot of vino now  :o ;)  enjoy


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: DavidLaver on 10 October, 2017, 09:08:22 AM

Well done you !!!


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 10 October, 2017, 10:18:26 AM
Fantastic! Very brave to do a 600 mile trip in a car that has stood for so long. I would have been a bit worried about sticky smoking brakes more than anything else. Does look pretty in that blue but I know that if I had a 'blank canvas' on colour for a Fulvia it would take a lot of thought to reach a final decision.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: davidwheeler on 11 October, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre!


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: fay66 on 11 October, 2017, 10:47:56 PM
Just to add to the story, i was contacted by Geoff Johnson who had been approached at the Knebworth Classic car show in August and asked could someone help, as he had a Fulvia Hf 1600 to sell for a friends widow.
Geoff asked could I help.
I contacted Julian and arranged to go and have a look and see if I could help, after talking it over I took a series of photos.
These I passed to a friend and asked did he know of anyone who might be interested?
Simon's name was mentioned and shortly afterwards Simon contacted me, and I put him in touch with Julian.
When Simon informed me he bought the Hf , I offered to make my self available for him when he came to collect it.
So it was a joint effort by a number of Lancisti who helped find this lovely car a new home , where it will be loved and cosseted, and join with other well loved Lancias.
Brian
8227 8)



Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: Dikappa on 13 October, 2017, 03:20:49 PM
Simon the unstoppable!!!!!!  As long as it leads to highly entertaining reading on this forum I cheer....
Wel done Simon, although personally I like the European headlight arrangement better, but love RHD drivers!


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 17 October, 2017, 10:49:20 AM
When my Euro spec Fulvia was in Graham Bates workshop in the mid 90's he kept looking at the front and in the end decided he wanted his UK 1600HF to have the same look. Out came the cutter, off came the 'eyebrows' and that's how he ended up with a RHD low light version.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: DavidLaver on 18 October, 2017, 01:49:51 PM

Am I alone in liking the UK look?   I like the S1s as well mind...


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: frankxhv773t on 18 October, 2017, 06:59:58 PM
I think that, rather like the Morris Minor, the higher headlights change the whole look and make it much less "of" it's original period. As such the look has remained seeming contemporary for longer.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: fay66 on 18 October, 2017, 07:16:48 PM

Am I alone in liking the UK look?   I like the S1s as well mind...
No David, I had a series 1 Rallye Coupe  and I liked the front end treatment, but I also like the series 2/3 raised headlights.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: nthomas1 on 18 October, 2017, 09:30:20 PM
There was quite a debate on Facebook on this topic a little while back, with the Italian community generally thinking that the UK regulations spoiled the design. Personally, I like both the mainland European look and the UK raised headlight look.  I guess I'm biased as the S2 that I'm currently renovating is my third Fulvia with the UK headlamps!


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: Derek Moore on 19 October, 2017, 11:40:08 AM
I've always preferred the UK look as I think it balances neatly with the upswept rear.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 19 October, 2017, 05:43:15 PM
Simon - to please everybody you'll have to have one side Euro spec and the other UK spec. Well, everybody apart from the bloke at the Controle Techique place.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 12 November, 2017, 05:28:53 PM
A little progress on this one .....

I found that the brake pedal was not how I wanted it (plus a drop in reservoir level) so on closer inspection discovered that a rear caliper was leaking even after it had been re-sealed. On top of that it had had the bleed nipple and union threads re-tapped on the same caliper , meaning non standard brake connection and difficult bleeding ...... so new s/h caliper sourced, stripped, re-sealed and fitted. New brake pipe made up and all is well again. Will use it for a few days and then re-bleed

At Padova, amongst other gems, I picked up some new engine mounting rubbers and rear subframe mounts - they have transformed the drive-ability, no creak from the subframe and much nicer and smoother acceleration.

The engine stabilizer adjuster was also seized, so that has been off, freed and refitted

Lastly, the wheels have been balanced

A few things to make her nicer to drive !

Next, sort out a couple of rattles on the rear suspension, sort out a few wiring gremlins and keep using her. I suspect the valve guide seals will need to be done as well, so a few more things on the shopping list

ps I like European headlights on S1's and UK spec on S2's - good job it's not the other way round !

pps if anyone has a rear engine mount (wishbone thing that attaches to the gearbox) and a couple of correct allen screws that they would like to sell, plus a clutch return spring (pedal end) please let me know, thanks


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 12 November, 2017, 05:48:43 PM
R U missing the wishbone or the larger rubber metalastic bush that is bolted to it?

What allen screws? Round the bell housing?


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 12 November, 2017, 05:55:43 PM
Yes the wishbone has been repaired (see seized stabilizer adjuster above ...) and a couple of the bell-housing bolts are missing
Ta


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 13 November, 2017, 06:49:23 PM
This afternoon I decided to have a look at the heater controls - heater valve seized and subsequently the top lever had been snapped off. It is a fairly major job to replace these levers, so I decided to strip the whole dashboard and sort out the other niggles as well.

On top of that I have also come across a couple of messy mods, a molten wire, disconnected bulbs and quite a few nuts and screws missing , so hopefully I can do it all in one go

I have new levers - quite a few spare if anyone is interested - and a new valve, so hopefully I can get it back together over the next couple of days with everything nicely cleaned and lubricated and working as it should



Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 13 November, 2017, 07:15:05 PM
You don't hang about. My heater hasn't worked for years from the lever. It didn't snap - I think the cable rusted up. I'm not as brave or skilled as you to start pulling everything apart so I just used to manually do it from the passenger footwell (LHD) and use a basic summer/winter setting. Now that seems a bit seized. As it's now mollycoddled over winter when I do take it out I just wear gloves! Which brings me to another point - is there anyway to close off the chrome fresh air vent on a Fulvia? Have I forgotten something over the years? During the cold months I just point it over to the passenger side. As I had a passenger on a cold trip last November I took the vent out and taped up the back of it. Not an ideal solution.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: DavidLaver on 13 November, 2017, 09:44:38 PM
http://www.viva-lancia.com/specials/de-carbon/de-carbon.htm


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 13 November, 2017, 09:59:29 PM
You don't hang about. My heater hasn't worked for years from the lever. It didn't snap - I think the cable rusted up. I'm not as brave or skilled as you to start pulling everything apart so I just used to manually do it from the passenger footwell (LHD) and use a basic summer/winter setting. Now that seems a bit seized. As it's now mollycoddled over winter when I do take it out I just wear gloves! Which brings me to another point - is there anyway to close off the chrome fresh air vent on a Fulvia? Have I forgotten something over the years? During the cold months I just point it over to the passenger side. As I had a passenger on a cold trip last November I took the vent out and taped up the back of it. Not an ideal solution.
Stan - both the lower levers need to be over to the right to shut the air off - assuming the controls still work.....


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 14 November, 2017, 10:57:02 AM
Thanks Tim. I'll investigate that. I probably knew that 24 years ago..............


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 14 November, 2017, 11:00:24 AM
You'll also find shock absorbers along with other bits here:

http://www.bielstein.com/lancia/fulvia


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 14 November, 2017, 11:29:19 AM
Thanks Tim. I'll investigate that. I probably knew that 24 years ago..............
The lowest shuts the chrome mid vents but if you dont shut the other you get 2x cold air through the screen vents.

Best solution is to sort the valve!!


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 14 November, 2017, 07:29:45 PM
Well, I am looking forward to see if my efforts work and thanks Tim for the explanation !

I need to get a wiggle on because I have promised to pick Mathilda up from school in the Fulvia tomorrow afternoon, and it is VERY cold here at the moment .....

The control panel is back in and working as it should. The cigarette lighter , or iPhone charger as it is nowadays, had rusted up , so that has been fettled and works now. The fan wasn't working either and that was due to oxidation on the terminals, so that's been done as well - it has a nice click when you change speeds - very satisfying !

All the fan switch and inter-lever rubber spacers were perished and need to be replaced. The fan switch spacer was replaced with a couple of copper washers and I had spare rubber washers for the levers, but I suspect that they are all getting old now !

Other than that, new wires soldered into one of the switches, repairs to the dash mouldings, everything cleaned and painted (if necessary) and more wiring checks

The temp gauge still doesn't work , I think it must be wiring because 12V across the dismantled gauge makes it move. Still having the same issue with the ignition so tomorrow will jury-rig a Renault 4 switch to see if I can identify the source

Lastly, a Halda had been fitted to the glove box and has broken the hinge due to it's weight - can anyone help with a hinge or lid ??


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: DavidLaver on 15 November, 2017, 08:17:51 AM

I can see a slot and holes for a radio.  What's the plan for the dash? 


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: Neil on 15 November, 2017, 08:43:47 AM
I may have a spare hinge and/or glove box lid, a trip to the Fulvia shed required, l’ll let you know Thursday


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 15 November, 2017, 09:00:37 AM
Neil, that would be great ! Thanks - you wouldn't have a clutch lever return spring in there as well ?? (the one that fits on the splined gearbox shaft)

David, current thoughts are to keep the car absolutely standard HF Lusso, including going back to Rosso York. So I could fit a period radio, but I like the Fulvia script so plan to keep that and now my iPhone (cigar) socket works I can just plug in sounds that way - if I want them because the under bonnet orchestra is usually enough


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 15 November, 2017, 10:36:59 AM
Good photos. That's the first time I've ever seen what's behind the heater controls. I hadn't realised the plastic levers attached to big chunky metal ones. I thought the whole thing was plastic and that's why they got broken sometimes. Of course, I should have known, if Lancia could overengineer something, they would. Repainting it in the original colour hints at a proper subframe out strip down. Or is the engine bay still in original paint? Nice Marron Fulvia today in 'Lancias seen on the road'.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 15 November, 2017, 10:49:25 AM
Of course, I should have known, if Lancia could overengineer something, they would.

Slightly off topic as I am working on my newly acquired B12, and have got to the water pump.

This is what I found courtesy of Paul Mayo's workshop manual:

The Aurelia water pump is beautiful and excessive in its design.  Drive and fan loads are isolated and dealt with by a pair of large ball bearings, just like the car’s wheel hubs.  The ‘drive shaft’ water pump spindle floats independently in a wide bushing.  The only fault is expense.  Countless complex machine operations are held to tight tolerance.  Hubs, bearings, bushings, spaces are expenses offered to an ideal of excellence not often shared with the ultimate driver. The Ferrari water pump used on the V12 is agricultural in comparison – but more than adequate.  The advantages of the Aurelia water pump are academic and unseen in use.
The excellent handling, fair performance and wonderful lines of the Aurelia sold a good number of rather expensive automobiles.  The excesses throughout the car made each sale a dubious success.  The losses mounted.  A car “too good for its own good”, according to Setright.  If the Aurelia is too good for its own good, its water pump is far too good for a water pump.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancianut666 on 15 November, 2017, 11:06:21 AM
looking at the pics of behind the dash it is darned handy having the fusebox inside the car


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: JohnMillham on 15 November, 2017, 11:36:44 AM
"If the Aurelia is too good for its own good, its water pump is far too good for a water pump."
Same goes for the Lambda!
Regards, John


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 15 November, 2017, 12:17:11 PM
looking at the pics of behind the dash it is darned handy having the fusebox inside the car

Sure is. I was once in the queue just about to go out in the rain at the Castle Coombe trackday. My wipers packed up but by the time I was waved out a new fuse had been put in without a single raindrop on my head.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 15 November, 2017, 09:32:01 PM
Good run out today to test everything - heater is excellent, maybe too hot even ! Need to adjust slightly so it closes fully, but air can be directed as required ....

And the temp gauge works - Phew !

Replaced a couple of headlights (other LHD outer lamps due to arrive from Italy in the next couple of days) and refitted the grill so it isn't bent like a banana, plus a few other details

Abandoned the 3500 rpm limit so smiles all round

Still need to sort out the ignition switch problem and next are the rear end rattles


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: Neil on 16 November, 2017, 10:29:43 AM
Simon,  I have located the spare glove box lid with hinges, I'll send you a photo later.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 16 November, 2017, 01:14:21 PM
Simon,  I have located the spare glove box lid with hinges, I'll send you a photo later.
Neil, If you can get the hinge to me today I can bring out to Simon as I am flying out on Friday (fat chance I know).


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: Neil on 16 November, 2017, 01:17:04 PM
Mission impossible I fear...  That is a shame, let me know if you have any other dates in the near future.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 16 November, 2017, 01:36:50 PM
Mission impossible I fear...  That is a shame, let me know if you have any other dates in the near future.
This is it until the new year sometime...


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: Neil on 20 November, 2017, 02:12:37 PM
Hinges (& glovebox lid) dispatched!


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 20 November, 2017, 02:20:07 PM
Brilliant, thanks very much - another job crossed off the list !


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 04 January, 2018, 06:45:00 PM
Not posted for a while, December spent pruning and then Christmas

Lancia ownership is rarely straight-forward and today was a case in point. It was a nice, warm, dry day so I thought I'd pop over to the MOT station to organise a Controle Technique (CT) for the HF. I was able to do it now because the new V5 had arrived over Christmas , having taken a while because it came from the estate of the previous owner, anyway .....

I don't have an electric pump yet, so once the fuel was up she started straight away (full choke , foot on clutch and don't touch the throttle for mine). I drove the 5 miles to the garage and as luck would have it, an elderly gentleman with a Renault 4 had forgotten to come for his RDV, so they said they could do it straight away

30 mins later I had my nice , new CT. Couple of minor advisories that I knew about , but OK for 5 years. The guys at the garage loved the car and couldn't believe how good the brakes were !

Now for the fun, I roared off up the road with the new paperwork proudly piled on the passenger seat and then 1 mile from home I ran out of petrol !

The gauge has never worked and I had even bought a secondhand tank unit on eBay last month - but of course hadn't fitted it !
I phoned Juliet for assistance, so she turned up 5 mins later in the Land Rover with a gallon of petrol and a tow rope (just in case) , I topped up the tank, turned the key,  blipped the throttle ...... and the cable snapped

Since we were on a single track road at "rush hour" in the dark, we just towed the car home and I will sort it out tomorrow !

Tant pis

ps photo taken at the end of Nov, no leaves left now



Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 05 January, 2018, 10:43:27 AM
Yes, it's strange when you have days like that. At least these little problems are happening close to home and aren't major. Might be worth fitting a new clutch cable too so that you know you don't have to worry about that in the future.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: jmspear on 05 January, 2018, 04:04:01 PM
I think it is historic car ownership, in addition to fettling my new HF 1600 - see seperate post - I had the back axle refurbished on my GT junior, I refitted it and took it out for a test drive and on over run the handling was horrible, to the extent that it almost threw me into a spin in the fast lane of my local dual carriageway at 80 mph, was fine up until then, on puling over I found that the wheel nuts on one of the rear wheels had come loose and were almost off- I was lucky - then the realisation the wheel brace was in the garage, so a very slow trip home, stopping every mile to hand tighten the nuts!


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 05 January, 2018, 06:15:12 PM
Loose wheel nuts - scary !

I took the broken cable off the car today (broken where it goes through the bulkhead) and decided that since the tank was empty I would take it out and clean up the boot

As always happens, I ended up taking everything out ..... I had an irritating knock on the rear suspension which I found out was a loose and seized shackle on the nearside spring hanger.

The nearside (UK) rear shackle was a real pain to remove but it eventually gave in to my efforts. Nothing damaged apart from 1 bolt which because it was exceptionally tight, got bent in the press

I was always going to strip, check and rebuild it all, but hadn't anticipated doing it just yet. I will replace any worn bushes, fit a new exhaust and change the brake pipes because most of the unions are rounded off. Whilst it is all out I can prepare and underseal the body and strip and paint the mechanical bits

I am only going to go as far as the lip of the boot because all the paint will be coming off when Dog gets the car


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: nthomas1 on 06 January, 2018, 08:15:13 PM
Simon - I'd like to remove the rear suspension of my S2 Coupe but have done nothing like this before.  Can you tell me broadly what the main steps are?  Do the springs have to be supported when the shock absorbers are removed, or are the shocks not in compression when the wheels are removed and the suspension hangs free?


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 07 January, 2018, 10:21:43 AM
Hi Norm
Taking off the rear axle wasn't difficult, it took about 3 hours in total on my own, but I only had 2 seized bolts - one the cause of my problem.

Because I want to tidy it all up I decided to remove more rather than less and I think it is quicker and easier in the long run because you get better access, but roughly what was entailed is as follows:

Remove petrol tank (probably optional)
Strip out mat, disconnect wires to sender, undo bolt and drain tank, remove breather pipes (top) and outlet pipes underneath. Undo filler pipe and remove flange bolts. Lift out the tank

With the car body on stands (high as poss using rear cill mounts, front wheels blocked etc) - remove the exhaust - I split it at the 4 into 2 because it is easier, then work through all the bits - I left the handbrake cable attached to the axle because I will deal with hub removal later

Remove the brake line to the limiter, seal it so you don't get air back into the master cylindre. Remove the brake limiter and bar , take off the exhaust heat shield so the anti-roll bar can come off with the axle

Now you're ready to drop the axle, with it hanging you can remove the bottom damper bolts (lever under the bush while you pull the bolt out and let the damper extend) Same with Panhard rod
Jack and support the middle of the axle and remove the rear shackles ( easier said than done and you can waste hours here). Once the rear mounts are undone, disconnect the 8 front bolts and slide the axle backwards. Lower the jack and it is all on the floor

Let me know if you want anything more specific or photos
Good luck !


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: nthomas1 on 07 January, 2018, 11:04:43 AM
Thanks Simon - that's incredibly helpful.  I've already removed the petrol tank and exhaust system so I'm part way there.  The car is at the welding shop at the moment so the rear suspension job is on the list for when I get it back.
Cheers, Norm


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: DavidLaver on 08 January, 2018, 09:27:11 PM

Well done on the CT - and more than that on marrying so well...hope "the price" not too severe for the rescue.

Nice press, and how much harder would it have been without that lift?



Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 10 January, 2018, 08:03:18 PM
David, the price for the rescue was not too onerous - to Juliet it's never a huge surprise and I did break down (technical not emotional) several times during our courtship and she still said "Yes". It is her birthday this weekend so extra big pressie I think !

I've not been idle this week, despite a horrid cold. A before and after picture of the rear spring (still to separate the other one) , a picture of some of the bits cleaned and painted and then the nice new silent blocs in the spring. The larger (front) one had to be chamfered before it would push in.

As you can see from the "before" picture, it really was worth separating the springs because they had begun to deteriorate. They have been de-rusted, treated and painted. Next is to reassemble - I plan to re-use the interleaves and lubricate with a smear of coppaslip

I have gone over the under-boot floor with care and removed any loose areas of underseal, treated the surface rust and then brush painted it all with a white spirit based anti-rust paint. Next will be to spray a rust retardant underseal and probably waxoyl as well ! Can't be too careful

Finally a couple of pictures inside the boot area before it gets cleaned up and painted


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 11 January, 2018, 12:08:38 PM
Springs, suspension etc look superb. I'm not sure I should read this thread as a Fulvia owner. It's making me nervous about my springs, bushes etc. A bit like reading a medical dictionary and coming away convinced you've only an hour to live. Happy birthday to Juliet.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: nthomas1 on 11 January, 2018, 02:58:53 PM
Simon - looking great! 
What materials did you use to treat and paint the springs?  How do you plan to clean the interleaves?  I see from a recent Facebook post that replacement interleaves are available from Cavalito - at least for the front.  I imagine they'd cost an arm and a leg so I'm likely to follow the same path as you.
Norm


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: DavidLaver on 11 January, 2018, 03:48:33 PM

Is the blue growing on you?  I rather like it.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: Jaydub on 12 January, 2018, 04:46:43 PM
Superb workmanship as always Simon. Keeping mental notes for when I restore my HF.
Is Copaslip a good idea when you have the inter leaf spacers. I thought that was the purpose of them.  Won`t it attract dirt and grit? I`m interested in your thoughts.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 13 January, 2018, 04:09:24 PM
Thanks everyone
Re springs, interleaf is available from one source for 42 euros if I recall (not sure if 1 side or 2 though) I cleaned mine up by soaking in a degreaser for a while and then brass-wire-brushing to get the dust/rust off. I have always added a smear of coppaslip to leaves, maybe it could attract dust in theory, but I prefer that they slide better - again personal theory. Indeed if it moves it gets coppaslipped ......

Re paint, I stripped off the rust with a plastic paint stripping wheel on the roloc , painted the leaves with rust converting primer and then a thin satin black to look nice. I don't think any paint will add much abrasion resistance though

Most of the silentblocs were in serviceable condition ,except the problem one, and could easily have been re-used. However I had all the silentblocs on the shelf so decided to fit anyway because I am not planning on stripping it all again any time soon. The cotton reel bushes on the ARB were the worst and did need replacing though ( where ARB attaches to the vertical bar on the top spring plate)

I didn't change the square ones in the chassis legs - I didn't have any and they are are available for 34 euros each if I change my mind, but now everything is free and lubricated won't be difficult if it ever needs to be done

So Stan, I suspect your silent blocks are OK , but the ARB will be showing some wear , so no need to stay awake at night worrying !

Re Blue, yes I have come to like it, it looks good with the chrome bumpers etc. Still erring towards the original Rosso York though


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: davidwheeler on 14 January, 2018, 02:02:35 PM
My Sport is rosso york.   It looks really well, not so lairy as alfa red.   I am glad I chose that colour.   Mr Google brings up lots of nice pictures...


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: DavidLaver on 14 January, 2018, 10:43:52 PM
http://www.autobelle.it/annunci/vendo_lancia_fulvia_hf_biella_168675.php#photoexpand


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 15 January, 2018, 07:35:43 AM
http://www.autobelle.it/annunci/vendo_lancia_fulvia_hf_biella_168675.php#photoexpand

Thats quite cheap for an HF in Italy???


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 15 January, 2018, 11:07:25 AM
That is cheap. Always hard to tell, but looks pretty good in the photos.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 15 January, 2018, 12:33:29 PM
Yes it is cheap, at today's prices, but the ad expired nearly 5 years ago! David has only put the link on the show a HF in Rosso York.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 15 January, 2018, 02:06:13 PM
Yes it is cheap, at today's prices, but the ad expired nearly 5 years ago! David has only put the link on the show a HF in Rosso York.
Then I retract. That was expensive!


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: jmspear on 15 January, 2018, 09:15:35 PM
shows how much they have gone up in five years, reminds me of looking for a 993RS RHD for a friend about 10 years ago, 964RS just not selling at about 25k and we finally found a mint low miles 993 RS for £62k, he sold it 3-4 years later for £120k now about £250 - £300k he 964rs's are now well up into mid £150k +, I think in about 3 - 4 years the s2 HF's will be at current fanalone levels and fanalones will be up by at least 50%.......


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: davidwheeler on 23 January, 2018, 02:45:22 PM
Having said all that, I am trying to find the formula for Rosso York and cannot - I can only find Lancia code 126-178F and according to what I have written on the garage door my car is Fiat Rosso Nearco anyway - Lancia no 108.    Anyone had some paint made up recently?   I need to do a bit of respraying.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 23 January, 2018, 03:06:09 PM
Having said all that, I am trying to find the formula for Rosso York and cannot - I can only find Lancia code 126-178F and according to what I have written on the garage door my car is Fiat Rosso Nearco anyway - Lancia no 108.    Anyone had some paint made up recently?   I need to do a bit of respraying.

David

My Gamma Coupe is Rosso Nearco. I have the formula (attached). Also a pic of my car - is your car darker?

Tim


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 23 January, 2018, 03:17:09 PM
Rosso York on the Lechler data base is not a simple matter.

There are 5 flavours of an FCA colour that existed from 1965-1980.

Also varies in formula if you go 1 or 2K direction.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 23 January, 2018, 05:38:03 PM
Re Rosso York - if I keep it there is enough of the original colour hidden around the car to match it - Dog is very good at this because of all the SMART repair work he does. I think MIPA may have a code to start us off on the right track

ps - my rosso york is more Costa than Gamma !

Been doing some grotty jobs recently - in between pruning and skiing !!

The inside of the boot has now been finished, cleaned out, rubbed down, new plate in one corner, de-rusted and undercoated before an anti-rust paint brushed on and then a final cover with gravel-spray (overpaintable kind). This last stage gives a finish that approximates the Lancia finish and I can satin black it if there is any overspray during the body paint-job

Underneath I have used a Shutz-type uderseal that has anti-rust additives. Once the car is back on the road after all the work I can go over it all with Waxoyl

Final job this week was stripping the old underseal from the inner wheel arch, ready for the various stages of protection ....
Lot of work for bits that no-one will ever see !


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: DavidLaver on 23 January, 2018, 11:46:47 PM
"gravel-spray"?


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 24 January, 2018, 07:05:29 AM
Is it not called gravel spray , maybe stone chip ?? - It is a textured paint (undercoat) that is often used under the bumper line and on cills before painted in bodycolour. I have been using a UPOL product called Gravitex at about £10/litre


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 27 January, 2018, 05:17:13 PM
Been pottering away this week during rain delays .... rare here and I depressed already and can't wait for the sun to return

Starting to put it all back together again, so a few photos and comments

The badges have cleaned up nicely, a before and after. I used a small brass bristled wire brush to clean the relief part of the badge, then scotch-brite'd the raised parts and sides, once clean it was then sprayed with acrylic lacquer

The breather pipes and box were cleaned with white spirit and acetone. Care needed with the Cavis Benz script because the white spirit is OK but the acetone removes it. There was quite a lot of Rosso York overspray on the pipes and white spirit won't remove it

Spring has been re-assembled (with smear of coppaslip). You need to clamp the leaves together to get the locating bolt through. Still waiting on some more spring clamps to arrive, but the first one has been fitted

Various pictures of the bits going back in, if you see what looks like specks of rust - it isn't, just splodges of coppaslip !
I fitted a new brake limiter because they are so cheap and why not ! The fuel pipes were pitted so they were rubbed down and hammerited.

The breather pipes and filler pipe all look nice and shiny now they are back in place. The bobbin rubbers on the anti-roll bar are held in place with top hat washers, these in turn are held in place with roll pins, not split pins as I originally thought. New ones came from Omicron with some other bits.

I have bought De Carbon shock absorbers, but they were quite difficult to find at a sensible price. Cavalitto and Omicron are out of them but I found a set (f+r) in Italy.

Now waiting on some more rust converter to arrive so I can finish the wheel arches, but I still have to strip and clean the other spring and axle.

Question -- Is it possible to remove the hubs on the ground , with my newly acquired centre nut tool ?? Or will it be easier to refit the axle albeit briefly ?



Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 27 January, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
More ....

Forgot to mention that care is needed to fit the spring - with the front bolt in place, you haul down on the back of the spring whilst jacking the centre of the spring. When it is stretched enough you slide the rear, lower bolt into place. Bit of a handful on your own !



Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 27 January, 2018, 06:22:05 PM
If you can hold the axle to prevent 200+ft lb torque when undoing the hub nut then you do not need to attach it!!

Nice detailing btw.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: DavidLaver on 27 January, 2018, 06:50:28 PM

Love the green pipes. 

The inside of the boot is now so nice I could understand you wanting your girls to wrap their luggage in blankets to protect the car ;)

The extent of the bow in that rear spring surprised:  "you haul down on the back of the spring whilst jacking the centre of the spring".  Did you have to jack AND haul at the same time?  Able to pull it down (hence to length) by hand?   How far short of the shackle was it before the push and pull?  The craziest spring "before and after" has to be the Aprilia...

As for the rain - you do need that water in the ground at some point...  Just put Carcassonne into my weather favourites.  You get sunshine tomorrow but we're four or five degrees warmer. 


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: nthomas1 on 27 January, 2018, 07:20:00 PM
It's looking really good Simon. I have a couple of questions that you might be able to help with:

(1) Was there a rubber strip on each of the flanges inside the boot on the rear of the wheel arches?  I had one on one side of mine only, and wondered if they were factory fitment.  See pictures 1 and 2.   

(2) This has puzzled me for a while.  Should the corners of the boot be sealed , or was a gap left deliberately for some reason?  In my car there was a rubber strip stapled to the boot floor and covering the vertical flange at each corner of the boot. I removed  these to allow the corners of the boot floor to be removed  and replaced with new metal.  Now I have to decide how to replace them.  There was a narrow gap between the edge of these rubber strips and the inside of the rear wing.  It's not clear to me whether there should be a gap there or not.  I can see the strip on your picture (the one showing the green pipes) but can't see whether there's a gap or not.  My third and fourth pictures show the right corner of my boot before and after removing the rubber strip from that side. 


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: SanRemo78 on 27 January, 2018, 08:42:02 PM
Looks familiar!
http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9873.0
Is the rubber on the arch seam to protect hands from sharp edges when you're putting stuff in the boot? And a rubber flap on the floor perimeter to seal to the outer wings to prevent water ingress? See to remember seeing something similar on infill panels on the front wings of my S1 Beta HPE to stop crud getting to the back of the wing behind the wheel.
Guy


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: frankxhv773t on 27 January, 2018, 09:25:27 PM
I was thinking the same Guy. My 1978, pre first facelift S2 Beta Coupe had closing panels in the rear of the front wheel arches with a strip of rubber stapled to the outer edge where it met the wing. In that case the wing was a bolt on item so the rubber strip created a seal no matter how the wing sat. Perhaps there was something in the construction process of the Fulvia that made panel fit vary from car to car.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: roddy on 27 January, 2018, 10:28:30 PM
Hello Simon.  All your work is looking very good indeed.  A very small point, however :-  the photo of the L/H spring rear shackle shows the spring eyebolt with the head to the inside and the nut to the outside.  Once the exhaust silencer is in place, you might find it impossible to remove the shackle bolt from the spring eye in the event of you needing to remove the spring again (?).   I would suggest that you have both the upper and lower bolts fitted the same way, with the nuts and split pins to the inside, on each respective side of the car - on the R/H side the fuel tank pipe can present a similar sort of problem.

Regards - Roddy


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: Jaydub on 28 January, 2018, 08:21:09 PM
The boot looks good with the Stone guard Simon. As ever, great attention to detail.
Keeping notes for my 1600 HF resto.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: davidwheeler on 29 January, 2018, 11:06:09 AM
Having said all that, I am trying to find the formula for Rosso York and cannot - I can only find Lancia code 126-178F and according to what I have written on the garage door my car is Fiat Rosso Nearco anyway - Lancia no 108.    Anyone had some paint made up recently?   I need to do a bit of respraying.

David

My Gamma Coupe is Rosso Nearco. I have the formula (attached). Also a pic of my car - is your car darker?

Tim
Difficult to say, there is less sunshine oop North.  I shall ask the chap who did the top coat.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 29 January, 2018, 04:26:58 PM
Thanks for comments (v pretty Sport by the way !)

The weather has returned to normal and is as David predicted, sunny and cold , especially in the mornings. My LMC overalls are great for keeping the middle warm

Regarding the spring, I used the transmission jack under the middle and raised it with the foot pedal whilst pulling down on the silentbloc, it probably needed to find about 4 inches of extension. And this leads to Roddy's point. I had to fit the lower bolt in that direction because I couldn't flatten the spring enough to have the hangers vertical (ie so the bolt can be fitted from the gap behind the wheelarch). Having said that, I don't think the hangers are long (or short) enough to clear the bodywork.

The bolts came out this way round and the only way I can see them being fitted as per Roddy's suggestion is to fit the hangers to the spring first - which I can try easily enough, but will probably need an extra pair of hands. Are other people's bolts fitted the same way around or opposite like mine ?

Norm, there was only one rubber strip - on the opposite side to the filler , like yours. Re the stapled rubber, same with mine, but it had caused the edge of the boot floor to become frilly so I made a new plate , leaving a gap to the bodywork and then filled the gap with a good thick flexible bead of tiger seal / Sikaflex. The original rubber seems porous and sponge-like,  ergo - disaster !

So it isn't exactly as it was, but hopefully it will be more water-tight



Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: nthomas1 on 29 January, 2018, 06:53:21 PM
Thanks for that information Simon.  Funnily enough I was able to pick up a couple of metres of the flange rubber strip at Malaga Retro show yesterday.  With regard to the boot corners I'll look to do something similar to you with the sealer.  I won't know how big my gaps are until I get back from Spain in ten days or so. 

It is great to be able to benefit from your expertise.  I'm glad you bought another Fulvia!





Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: roddy on 30 January, 2018, 12:16:11 AM
Hello Simon.  Apologies, I have been confusing you, and possibly others - my memory is playing tricks - the bolts are fitted as you detail.  I do now remember the problem of the fuel filler pipe preventing the complete removal of the bolt, and I had to remove one shackle arm to slide the spring and bush off sideways.  A long Melco tyre lever, blocked between the spring and the chassis rail allowed the eyelet to slide as the spring was released or straightened on refitting.

Regards -   


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 30 January, 2018, 06:08:28 PM
Thanks for clarifying Roddy

A silly job this afternoon whilst waiting for UPS to deliver a parcel ......

The leather straps that hold the spare wheel and jack in place were looking a bit tired and dirty. The strap that goes over the spare had a broken buckle connection and the loop had snapped , so I shortened the strap, cut a new eye for the buckle pin and resewed it. I cheated slightly with the loop - I went in search of a piece of black leather and when I came downstairs with one of Juliet's "old" handbags to cut up, strangely she got upset and returned with an old leather belt instead ! So it's not quite right but works and is J's contribution to the rebuild.

The other straps needed a good clean, feed and polish (good old Kiwi shoe polish)

Oh and UPS never turned up !


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 05 February, 2018, 06:26:26 PM
It's raining again - part of me is happy, part less so ..... we have bought another vineyard and I want to get cracking with it - anyway bit of garage time !

The other wheel arch has been stripped and rust-converted (still wet) and I have started to dismantle the rear axle and other spring.

More heat required to dismantle this spring , but the bushes came out easily, so it's ready to be cleaned up.

With the axle, I thought I'd have a go at stripping it on the floor (plus I had an extra pair of hands) so I bolted a long bar to the spring mount, fitted the 3 pronged tool, fitted a T-bar - then long lever on one side and gentle taps with a lump hammer on the other and "hey-presto", both sides came apart.

After backing off the adjusters the hubs pulled off without any fuss, so now there is another large pile of rusty bits in my "to do" box

As David will confirm, more rain due tomorrow so hopefully I can get with the axle and paint the wheel arches


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 05 February, 2018, 07:07:23 PM
Good idea to lever the axle. Who was the other pair of hands?


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 06 February, 2018, 05:46:10 PM
The other pair of hands belong to Merv, we were due to attach vines and lift wires today but because of the rain I got him to strip the wheel arch - Poor lad !

I have spent all day cleaning bits and undersealing the wheel arches. It was much easier this time, I have bought a nice new Sealey Schutz sprayer and turned the air pressure down (plus warmed the underseal in the oven) on the regulator. The one I used the other day wouldn't switch off properly so I got a bit of spatter.

On to de-rusting. Anyone used a needle-gun ? Great for holes and tight spaces. I didn't want to split the hub and disk just to clean it and this works very well. Once the hubs are dry, I will paint the non braking surfaces with HT paint

I stripped the axle completely and have cleaned up some of the bits. The backplates were quite rusty, but only deep pitting and surface rust, they have cleaned up nicely. The axle is fiddly and took a while - the identity plate is quite tarnished, but with a bit of cleaning and a magnifying glass it was eventually possible to read and record the number

Can anyone take a photo of a decent i/d plate so I can repaint it correctly please ??

The springs and other brake shoe bits have been derusted and sprayed with WD 40 ready for re-assembly

All in all , coming on


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 06 February, 2018, 06:42:10 PM
What's the blue colour on the brakes? Rust stabiliser?  Great work as usual. All those pristine painted parts look like a 1:1 scale Tamiya kit.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: DavidLaver on 06 February, 2018, 10:09:07 PM

I like seeing the rug in the background.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 07 February, 2018, 11:18:15 AM
Where is the identity plate located on the axle? I can't see it in the other photos. It was only recently in another thread that I discovered there are identity plates located there.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: acalex on 08 February, 2018, 06:30:20 PM
you might be referring to this post on Dec 10:
Whilst cleaning and tidying up at the back end of the 1600HF I noticed a well worn alloy plate, with just decipherable stampings:
818.630 and (I think) 018400, the latter presumably the production number

On the front face of the casing, r/h side is the same 818.630, and a longer number, maybe the part number, 2273702

Its on the rear of the offside of the casing, towards the hub/disc assy


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 09 February, 2018, 05:10:39 PM
Stan, the blue is as you say, a rust converter. I have taken care not to get it on any pad surfaces - I will scotchbrite and acetone those areas anyway. I will paint the rest with high temp paint to make it look prettier

As you identified, the plate is on the rear, RHS of the axle. The markings on mine are "820210019663". The axle ends are the (nearly - LHS vs RHS ??) same as you can see

Still hoping that someone can post a picture of an undamaged plate , please ?

The axle has been painted and is in the warm to help it dry fully

Re rug, I like having them because if you are in the garage all day, it is less tiring ......


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 09 February, 2018, 06:37:33 PM
That's a hell of a fork rest.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: Jai Sharma on 09 February, 2018, 10:12:36 PM
I guess the aim is to make it good enough to eat your dinner off ....
....and the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
Anyhow, good progress!


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 09 February, 2018, 10:17:06 PM


The axle has been painted and is in the warm to help it dry fully


Girls must be away....


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 11 February, 2018, 01:31:43 PM
Actually Juliet helped carry it in !

Just finished a tractor service - these filters should be available for the HF......

Nice and "warm" today, so the spring leaves were painted outside, nearly ready to start putting it all back together


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: stanley sweet on 11 February, 2018, 02:30:43 PM
I'm surprised those 'HiFi' filters don't fit - the one for my 1300 is also listed for Allis Chalmers. They make those enormous earthmovers.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancialulu on 11 February, 2018, 02:57:35 PM
Actually Juliet helped carry it in !

Losing your strenght? Can you remember lugging and Aurelia front axle about? Oh yes you must have done for the forgonecino....


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: frankxhv773t on 11 February, 2018, 08:40:41 PM
When you said "painting spring leaves" I initially thought you meant on the vines with, fungicide or something. It sounded an enormous job!


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 12 February, 2018, 08:38:05 PM
Tim - J helped by opening the door and saying "you can't bring THAT in here"

Frank , bit early for leaves ,even down here . No buds so I can drag the cuttings out of the vines with this great toy.

I will check and see if HiFi make Fulvia filters, you never know !

Found a couple of pictures for the axle plate, just need to work out how to recreate it .....





Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: frankxhv773t on 13 February, 2018, 06:34:18 PM
Easy peasy I would think.

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Nameplate-Gearbox-Shield-Lancia-id-plate-Fulvia-Flavia-Aurelia-Flaminia-S28/272785580620?hash=item3f8349a24c:g:D0UAAOSwNE5YW-fb


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 13 February, 2018, 06:42:50 PM
Excellent - thank you , except he doesn't post to France

So , now the question - to replace , or restore ??



Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: SanRemo78 on 13 February, 2018, 07:21:46 PM
Just send him an email and ask if he'll post to France. Most eBay sellers will do it rather than lose a sale! Other than that, find a German club member willing to receive it and post it on to you?
Guy


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: tzf60 on 14 February, 2018, 02:31:11 PM
Simon,
It costs €3.90 to post to Ireland......... :-\
 
Tim


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 14 February, 2018, 06:03:09 PM
Still undecided if I am going to tart mine up ..... but will contact them re post to France, but if not "a long-way round" could be an option !

Raining here so a day in the garage, well sort of, morning spent running round buying paint, phosphoric acid, brushes, acetone etc etc. Afternoon spent getting bits together , so nearly there.

Collating everything on a bench at the back of the car and finishing off some painting. Disks and shoes painted in HT paint and cured in the garage-oven (small oven that was going to the tip but was saved and put to good use !)


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: nthomas1 on 14 February, 2018, 10:16:56 PM
Simon, as I'm shortly to start on my own rear suspension can you clarify the way you would prep and finish something like, for example, the rear axle.  I've seen your references to rust preventer, and to the use of scotchbrite and acetone.  It would be very useful to know the sequence of steps you go through, and the materials you use (cleaner, rust remover, rust preventer, paint etc).
Norm


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: lancianut666 on 15 February, 2018, 12:59:58 PM
I'm thinking the Appia consortium has some of those plates...
Clarkey


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 15 February, 2018, 05:51:57 PM
Thanks Jim, any chance you can have a look ?


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 15 February, 2018, 06:28:58 PM
Norm, a brief list of steps (do ask for more detail if req.) but usually as follows:

  • Remove as large a bit as possible (axle/subframe etc)
    Roughly de-grease - I use either a "swarfega" degreaser or "no-nonsense" from Screwfix, brush it on and leave for a while
    Pressure wash it all
    Take it to bits - as many bits as possible
    Bit at a time - remove loose rust with a wire brush and then either strip to shiny metal with a roloc tool and disks or soak in phosphoric acid (approx 30% conc) for 2 hrs to 2 days depending on the rustiness. This stuff is amazing , but takes time and does strip cadmium coatings etc
    Then for pitted bits, I tend to use a rust converter (again acid based ), primer and then topcoat - usually acrylic because it dries quickly
    For shiny bits, degrease with acetone then etch primer and top coat
    Aluminium/brass I use scotchbrite (works well soaked in white spirit on alloy castings !)
    I use a lot of scothbrite because I usually go over everything that is going to get a coat of paint
    For some metal bits I use an acrylic lacquer to protect the cleaned "patrina"
    I also use a very good brush on high temp paint from Halfords for brake parts and exhausts

    For the axle , I used an oil based paint with anti-rust agents (not Hammerite which I think has gone down hill)  because I felt that this is something that will get abuse so wanted a more elastic, tougher finish
It is difficult to be exact and I'm always discovering and trying new approaches and products, but I try and use things that can be easily touched up because the always get chipped or scraped when you are putting it all back together. I would love to powdercoat everything but it isn't practical for me

Hope it's not too vague !






Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: simonandjuliet on 15 February, 2018, 06:49:41 PM
Finished cleaning and painting the rest of the bits and silentblocs fitted in the second spring - they needed a good chamfer to ease fitting.

Springs on, axle on and passenger side handbrake, backplate etc done - few detail shots .... the brake parts were all cleaned and then lacquered so they shouldn't rust again (??)

Most difficult job was refitting the Panhard rod, it needed a very sturdy brace across the car to line it up. All the silentblocs are loose until the correct ride height is attained and then they will be tightened.

Sorry about the paint runs, they will be dealt with as part of a general touch up when it is all back together !

New handbrake cable fitted because there was a broken strand on one side


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: nthomas1 on 15 February, 2018, 07:07:53 PM
Many thanks for the "step-by-step" Simon.  Invaluable for novices like me!
 


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: frankxhv773t on 15 February, 2018, 07:34:26 PM
Norm, if I may add my two pennyworth; once as much rust as possible has been removed by abrasive means I use Kurust as a converter but I make sure it's the one you can paint over rather than the sort you have to wash off. It goes against the grain to rust convert steel then chuck water on it to wash the chemicals off. If I am brush painting suspension parts I then prime with red lead or grey zinc rust proof primer and finish with black smooth hammerite (I think I'm less particular than Simon). I did these Y10 drive shafts several years ago and they still look fine.


Title: Re: I said that I would never buy another Fulvia ....
Post by: nthomas1 on 15 February, 2018, 07:54:13 PM
Great.  Thanks Frank.  More grist fr the mill.