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Model Technical and Interest => Commercial Vehicles => Topic started by: SanRemo78 on 17 October, 2016, 07:41:35 PM



Title: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: SanRemo78 on 17 October, 2016, 07:41:35 PM
At R&M Auctions soon.

http://www.rmsothebys.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1087292&utm_source=pistonheads&utm_medium=listing&utm_content=textlink&utm_campaign=TV16



Guy


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: fay66 on 17 October, 2016, 09:07:54 PM
At R&M Auctions soon.

http://www.rmsothebys.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1087292&utm_source=pistonheads&utm_medium=listing&utm_content=textlink&utm_campaign=TV16



Guy
Love the  tyre removal kit.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: SanRemo78 on 17 October, 2016, 09:08:39 PM
Definitely buying a lottery ticket this weekend!


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: lancialulu on 18 October, 2016, 06:59:16 AM
Lottery ticket needed for all the other Bargains going under the hammer without reserve......


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: stanley sweet on 18 October, 2016, 09:17:03 AM
What a nice way to arrive at the Silver Flag with your Competizione on the back.


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: chriswgawne on 18 October, 2016, 09:41:17 AM
I am intrigued to see what this goes for.....and tempted to register for the auction. It looks in reasonable condition.
Chris


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: lancialulu on 18 October, 2016, 04:42:07 PM
What a nice way to arrive at the Silver Flag with your Competizione on the back.
My thoughts exactly but would have to dispose of the tyre fitting equipment!!!


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: SanRemo78 on 18 October, 2016, 05:13:25 PM
I wonder if the tyre fitting equipment folds away, down between the ramps?

Looking forward to seeing it at club meets sometime soon!


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: Jaydub on 18 October, 2016, 05:33:12 PM
The tyre remover isn't part of the truck! It is sitting on a block of wood and the cut off power cable can be seen on the right. No idea why they have included it in the photo.
John


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: fay66 on 18 October, 2016, 09:25:25 PM
Think how good this would look if owned by Chugga ;D

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: ben on 19 October, 2016, 06:29:08 PM
I would have thought it irresistible to one of those Rudler boys.
Seems to be a bit of a gap where the engine should be.
Maybe slot in a Lampredi twin-cam?


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: SanRemo78 on 19 October, 2016, 09:57:13 PM
Suspect the engine is under the seats? Set quite well back, you can see the alternator in one of the photographs.

Sadly just realised this auction is in Milan.... I thought it was UK based.

Got the lottery ticket already!


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: fay66 on 19 October, 2016, 11:26:23 PM
Suspect the engine is under the seats? Set quite well back, you can see the alternator in one of the photographs.

Sadly just realised this auction is in Milan.... I thought it was UK based.

Got the lottery ticket already!

The engine is under the seats, if you look closely at the photo with the cover in front of the seats removed, you can see the alternator etc.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: the.cern on 20 October, 2016, 05:02:44 AM
I would have thought it irresistible to one of those Rudler boys.
Seems to be a bit of a gap where the engine should be.
Maybe slot in a Lampredi twin-cam?

Ben, I thought exactly the same thing about the engine. I had to check through the photographs of Louise's Gino to realise how far back the engine is set. I hope there is another hatch under the seats to allow access to it. That would be sensible and make servicing etc so very easy.

I'm pleased the auction is not in the uk, not so much of a temptation!!

                                                   Andy


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: stanley sweet on 20 October, 2016, 09:49:22 AM
Yes - a nicely tuned engine to rival the fast Mercedes transporter of the 50's.


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: Kari on 20 October, 2016, 11:08:36 AM
...and the engine cover is held down by Augusta type bonnet clips...

regards Karl


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: DavidLaver on 20 October, 2016, 05:56:14 PM

With the engine in that position you can literally do running repairs.


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: chriswgawne on 20 October, 2016, 06:22:58 PM
Somebody told me today at Padova that the reason all these desirable Lancia  (and Alfa Romeo) Lots are being offered without reserve is that they have been confiscated from someone and are being sold in lieu of debts. This also would explain why there are finished and unfinished projects.
Certainly there are some desirable cars being auctioned - very tempting.
Chris


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: stanley sweet on 21 October, 2016, 09:02:16 AM
Louise and Jason are very quiet. Do you think they are counting their money for the fifth time surrounded by smashed piggy banks?


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: chriswgawne on 21 October, 2016, 03:18:59 PM
Apparently no transmission in the SuperJolly transporter.
Chris


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: lancialulu on 21 October, 2016, 05:59:52 PM
Chris Is the gear lever just for show? I saw this on another car (Fulvia Z) for sale the other day so maybe its new thing.

On an unrelated point I love the "tray" in front of the steering wheel. Just right for a cappuccino and croissant...


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: SanRemo78 on 31 October, 2016, 09:33:23 PM
I notice they put an estimate of between 5,000 and 10,000.

Still having to buy lottery tickets mind....

Guy


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: LouK on 12 November, 2016, 07:44:50 PM
Been very remiss not checking up on the forum so missed this discussion!  Yes we're aware of the SJ transporter and can confirm that sofas are being checked and double checked again.  It would be mighty useful (if/when it works) given we're currently transporterless with 5 race cars.  But the auction is getting a lot of interest and the low estimates are likely be blown out of the water so it's doubtful there will be many bargains.   As Chris says, this is a seized collection and the government have a tax bill in the tens of millions to be paid...

I can't speak for the condition of it overall but can confirm everyone's comments re the engine location- as well as the engine compartment, you need to take the passenger seats out to get decent access as well.  It does look in reasonable condition but as per Gino, looks can be deceiving and parts are super tough to get so it will be interesting to see the underneath condition etc.

We'll be heading over to Milan as we've been thinking about a long weekend away before Christmas anyway and haven't visited Italy this year so no other excuse needed.  Other than a big red truck....😉


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: the.cern on 12 November, 2016, 08:03:43 PM
Go for it Lou!!! Good luck.

                                  Andy


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: lancialulu on 15 November, 2016, 12:04:13 PM

We'll be heading over to Milan as we've been thinking about a long weekend away before Christmas anyway and haven't visited Italy this year so no other excuse needed.  Other than a big red truck....😉

Lou - we know why you are going - all those vintage road bike in the Auction!!!!!!


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: LouK on 25 November, 2016, 08:45:43 PM
You know me too well Tim!  Actually I have refrained from looking at the bikes and motorbikes - I must be getting sensible in my old age!!

So we are currently in Milan and have taken a look round and watched a few of the lots go.  First thing to say is that it's simply heaving.  Someone told us there were 3 hour queues to register yesterday and that rings true with how packed it is.  The auction area is constantly rammed full of people and prices look very high.  Only seen two Lancia lots go and both for triple their estimates so as expected no bargains.

As to the SJ well it's had a respray so looks quite smart (some issues especially around the windscreen) but it's clear the brakes aren't working (story of our lives!) and it looks like the clutch needs replacing as there's a new kit boxed up in the van.  We'll have a think about it as we know how expensive it is to get the brakes working and there's a lot else that could be wrong.  I think a lot of people will get lulled into thinking it doesn't need much given the paintwork so I'm sure it will go for a lot over estimate.

Stiil on the upside I find an original and barely opened Super Jolly parts manual which we purchased for Gino.  Dikappa and kind Beligium friends gave me a photocopy of the manual which I cherish but it's nice to have an original to keep with Gino.


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: simonandjuliet on 25 November, 2016, 09:21:25 PM
Please look out for the Moto Guzzi mountain mule and if there is space on the back of the Super Jolly transporter, drop it off on your way home ....

Hope you have fun !



Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 26 November, 2016, 06:50:36 AM
Photos.


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: chriswgawne on 26 November, 2016, 11:52:15 AM
Is this an original Lancia Superjolly body option or a much later modn?
And if the transmission is missing (?) what are the chances of finding one with the correct final drive?
Chris


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: Dikappa on 26 November, 2016, 01:20:22 PM
I wonder why the transmission would be missing, seen the engine is supported by it, it seems strange it has the engine in a normal position.


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: SanRemo78 on 26 November, 2016, 01:55:52 PM
Shame the rear wheel arch is angular and not curved to match the front ones.... I wonder how many times over estimate it'll go for?


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 26 November, 2016, 02:50:40 PM
There was a gearbox in it when I saw it!


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: chriswgawne on 26 November, 2016, 05:32:08 PM
It was the auctioneers who said there was no transmission!


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: GG on 26 November, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
does anyone know if the Super Jolly used the Flavia subframe and cast alum suspension towers, or were unique ones made for it?


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: LouK on 26 November, 2016, 11:09:06 PM
Well the winning bid was 55k Euros plus premium.  Prices flew up from 20k and there was a lot of interest.  I'm guessing that someone has bought it to transport their lovely Ferrari, Mase or Lancia and won't be put off by the lack of clutch or brakes.  Small fry if you own an expensive Italian super car!

What's very interesting is that from the spare parts in a box in the cab, it's clear this was once an ex-military vehicle which someone has bought and spent a fair bit to get in a tidy but not yet useable state.  I can't wait to see it finished and in good use.

And if anyone knows who bought it, we'd be very happy to help out with any advice needed and to invite them to our very limited  SJ club - just me and Dikappa for now ;-)


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 27 November, 2016, 08:22:31 AM
Geoff, the front subframe on the Superjolly is the same as the Flavia, but the suspension, although of the same design is all much larger. For reference see this article from a 1988 LMC Journal http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8486.0


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: Dikappa on 27 November, 2016, 04:36:37 PM
The subframe is indeed a standard Flavia item, but that's about it.  The alu suspension towers are of a much more heavy design, the spring is much heavier, and all other items are adapted for the wider track.
Steering ball joints are the same, suspension ball joints are not and very hard or impossible to come by I've learnt...  Wheel bearings are much heavier, and housings are wider to accomodate them.
Also the engine inlet manifold is of a lower built, fan drive is from the crankshaft, and thus thermostat housing is also different...in short it's a real Lancia!


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: Dikappa on 23 December, 2016, 07:30:48 AM
For sale now http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C821767 (http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C821767)

I wonder if this guy is going to make a profit....if so I might just have to modify the camper... ;D


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: Jay on 23 December, 2016, 08:46:08 AM
Judging by the price he is hoping to http://www.cosmopolitanmotors.com/listing/1970-lancia-super-jolly/


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: Dikappa on 23 December, 2016, 11:45:53 AM
But you get a free tyre change machine with it!
Hope he at least will repair the front seat, or is that extra?


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: stanley sweet on 23 December, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
I know you're talking about the Super Jolly but I'm still recovering from the 30,000 being askied for a 1.3 Fulvia Monte Carlo below.


Title: Re: Super Jolly Transporter
Post by: ben on 24 December, 2016, 12:56:46 PM
It seems that the only tool these fast-buck traders have is a camera.
Fancy not even bothering to unload the tyre-changer!