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Model Technical and Interest => Delta and Prisma => Topic started by: Sensh on 05 July, 2016, 07:41:44 PM



Title: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Sensh on 05 July, 2016, 07:41:44 PM
Just wanted to say hello and introduce myself.  I'm an American living in Spain, and just bought my first Delta - a 1992 HF Turbo.  Hasn't even arrived at my home yet, but I'll post photos when it does.  It's mostly stock, I bought it from the original owner, and it has covered about 80,000 miles since new.  Seems in very good nick, no rust, no major leaks, and the engine makes proper boost and power with no smoke or noises.  I'm hoping for the best.

I just joined the club, and get to the UK quite a bit, so I hope to participate in some of the events and shake some hands.  Being new to Deltas, I should probably apologize in advance for some of the basic questions I might ask.  To wit:

1)  What are the primary part sources for Delta HF Turbos online?  When I search, I tend to get Integrale Specialists, and although I'm sure some of the things cross over, I suspect most of what they focus on won't apply to my little 1.6.  I don't intend to modify the car too much (if at all), but are there good only sources for things like ignition wires, filters, gaskets, etc?  I try to do most of my own maintenance, and I can even get into some more challenging repairs if I am in the mood, but it's nice to have some "go to" parts sources.

2)  I've owned about fifty classic cars in my life, and they all seem to have their own favorites when it comes to things like spark plugs.  Do you guys have any recommendations on brands for tune up and maintenance parts that you have found to work well in the Delta, or (maybe more importantly) brands you have found DON'T work well?

3)  If any of you get to Spain, definitely drop me a line.  I love meeting Lancisti and there is always cold beer waiting here in Javea.  I'm about an hour south of Valencia on the Mediterranean coast.

Thanks in advance, and thanks for having me in the club.

Best,
Paul Misencik
Javea, Spain

1992 Lancia Delta HF Turbo
1977 Fiat 130 Coupe
1989 Range Rover 3-door
1968 Land Rover 109 station wagon






Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: lancialulu on 05 July, 2016, 08:23:58 PM
Hi Paul

not being a delta expert but I do maintain a GTie in south of France, and have fettled a Prisma Symbol, I found tanc Barratt a great help.

Good driving with your new toy!

Tim


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Sensh on 06 July, 2016, 08:12:03 AM
Tanc Barratt, okay!  I hadn't seen them before.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: sparehead3 on 06 July, 2016, 11:55:47 AM
Hi

I use Tanc and also AECAR - here's the HF Turbo link - https://www.aecar.co.uk/pages/catalogue-lancia-delta-1600-1600-hf-turbo

I've picked all the parts I want put them in an email and sent them off while on the phone so we can check it out and agree the price. They've always been fine.

There are no where near as many HF Turbos* as integrales so you won't find any specialist for them but most integrale specialists will be fine and as you can see, AE Car has a separate section for your model.

They're all pretty helpful as I guess we're a fairly small market so they get to remember customers :)

*Though there does seem to be a lot of SORN ones : https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/lancia_delta_hf_turbo_ie


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Sensh on 06 July, 2016, 01:19:32 PM
Gracias!!

AE CAR is pretty much exactly what I was hoping for.  These are great, thanks.


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Andy D on 11 July, 2016, 05:24:29 PM
No further suggestions from me Paul but thought I'd just say hi as a fellow HF Turbo owner.  They're great cars, you've made a good choice!  ;D

Here's a picture of mine:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7261/7153563273_6f3417208c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bU8T8P)Lancia Delta HF Turbo ie (https://flic.kr/p/bU8T8P) by Andy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/8165854@N08/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Sensh on 12 July, 2016, 08:02:15 AM
No further suggestions from me Paul but thought I'd just say hi as a fellow HF Turbo owner.  They're great cars, you've made a good choice!  ;D

Great looking car, and a great color!  I have always loved Guigiaro designs. I promise to post some photos of mine soon...


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Sensh on 15 July, 2016, 11:22:07 AM
Here are some photos...


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Parisien on 15 July, 2016, 11:47:30 AM
Very smart, great location/pics too.......goes like the clappers still?!


P


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Sensh on 15 July, 2016, 07:18:06 PM
Yes, I have to say, this is the first time I have driven a Delta, and I'm very impressed!  First gear is long, but once you're rolling it pulls like crazy, and although in corners you can easily overpower the front tires with the throttle and make it push, if you pay attention and keep it neutral it corners beautifully and is a very involving car to drive.  It really covers ground if you're in a hurry, that's for sure.

But best of all, I'm incredibly impressed with the build quality.  The last Lancia I drove was a Series II Fulvia, and I was similarly impressed with the quality of that car, but I sort of assumed, coming from the much later Fiat generation as it has, that the Delta would be flimsier.  Not at all.  The doors shut with a very solid thunk, all the switchgear feels tough and quality (with maybe the exception of the turn signal stalk) and it all seems every bit as well built as something like a GTI or an e30 BMW.  Better in some ways.

Viva Lancia!  I'm hooked.


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Andy D on 18 July, 2016, 08:26:44 PM
The later Integrale style quad lights and bonnet bulge look a lot more purposeful than my car, I like it.  I'm guessing those wheels weren't standard though...or were they?


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Sensh on 19 July, 2016, 03:54:24 PM
The later Integrale style quad lights and bonnet bulge look a lot more purposeful than my car, I like it.  I'm guessing those wheels weren't standard though...or were they?

I bought it from the original owner, and he said they were original, but an "option."  I don't know if that means they were factory optional, of if his dealer offered to swap them on for him or something, but they are listed on the "fiche tecnica" from new, so I'm pretty sure he's telling the truth.

Thanks for the kind words.  I love the look, but I have to say, I love the clean lines of the earlier headlights and bonnet, too.  This is racier, maybe, but yours is maybe more true to Giugiaro's vision, and that's very rarely a bad thing.  Hahaha!  My car turns a lot of heads, but I suspect most of them are turned because they think, at least for a second, it's an Integrale.  So maybe it's a bit of a poseur.  But regardless, it helps get traffic out of my way in the overtaking lane...  :)


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: sparehead3 on 19 July, 2016, 09:40:15 PM
The front bumper, bonnet, lights and wheels look like 8v integrale to me - they may have been an option as yours is a late car ? Being Red also helps :)


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Sensh on 20 July, 2016, 06:55:27 AM
The front bumper, bonnet, lights and wheels look like 8v integrale to me - they may have been an option as yours is a late car ? Being Red also helps :)

My understanding is that all the late HF Turbos got the lights and the bonnet.  But these wheels appear to have been an option, dealer-installed or otherwise.


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: sparehead3 on 20 July, 2016, 11:23:19 AM
Reading through Wikipedia, this looks like it agrees : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Delta#1991_revisions

" Dual round headlights and the domed, vented bonnet from the HF integrale 16v made the HF turbo look almost like an HF integrale. "

I've never see this on an HF Turbo in the UK - maybe we never got this late edition ?

Looking at the pictures on Wikipedia, the LX / GT bonnet looks like the 8v and this one (being domed ) is like the 16v


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: HPEHF on 20 July, 2016, 12:24:43 PM
If I am not mistaken I think you could by a HF turbo in Italy up to 1992, and it came with an Integrale body, so I would suggest that the car is standard, but as noted the wheel could be an option.

We had a 2WD Delta (with Integrale) body come to 1 of the Bristol meetings at the Compass, it was either white or blue and the owner who had just acquired it came from Cheltenham I think. Memory say that Alan Wesson had a hand in finding it for the owner.

I also have a 2wd Delta as most people know but of the series 2 variety.

Regards

Simon


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: sparehead3 on 21 July, 2016, 11:42:42 AM
Last night I thought I'd be smart and get the information from La Lancia (3rd Edition) .... but while that's pretty good and lists facelifts and series for the models there's nothing for the Delta other than 1600 HF Turbo and then 1600ie HF Turbo.

Our database ( wot I setup with Andy Collins ) lists models like this :

 Delta 1100
 Delta 1300 (4)
 Delta 1300 Cabriolet (1)
 Delta 1300 LX (6)
 Delta 1500 (7)
 Delta 1500 LX (1)
 Delta 1600 GT (2)
 Delta 1600 HF Turbo (6)
 Delta 1600ie GT (3)
 Delta 1600ie GT (FL) (1)
 Delta 1600ie HF Turbo (14)
 Delta 1600ie HF Turbo (FL) (12)
 Delta 1900 TDS

The number is brackets are the known cars of the model type. I suspect the FL are the post 91 cars which should have the parts described - ( so these probably need re-classifying :) )

@Simon : I remember the conversation about that one but didn't get to see it in the metal.


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: fay66 on 21 July, 2016, 10:05:07 PM
Reading through Wikipedia, this looks like it agrees : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Delta#1991_revisions

" Dual round headlights and the domed, vented bonnet from the HF integrale 16v made the HF turbo look almost like an HF integrale. "

I've never see this on an HF Turbo in the UK - maybe we never got this late edition ?

Looking at the pictures on Wikipedia, the LX / GT bonnet looks like the 8v and this one (being domed ) is like the 16v

I bet the spare wheel doesn't fit in the spare wheel well with the tyre inflated, as I found out when I upped the tyre size on my HF Turbo.
I did once see these wheels on a Dedra HF Turbo and I'm pretty sure they were off an integrale.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: sparehead3 on 22 July, 2016, 10:36:58 AM
I was just thinking that although the bumper is like an integrale , it must be narrow ( to march the arches on the HF Turbo ) - so probably unique to this vehicle ! :)


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Paul Greenway on 22 July, 2016, 07:07:47 PM
The run out series standard Deltas from late 1991 for LHD Europe where refreshed to add some life until the Series 2 (Dedra based) Delta arrived in 1993.

The LX & GTie cars gained HF integrale 8V type bonnets, Evo wipers, Dedra type 14" wheels, skirts, fog lamps & improved trim. I think they may have also lost the chrome window surrounds too although not sure on that score.

The HF Turbo ie gained a 16V integrale bonnet, HF 4WD bumpers, body coloured skirts, Evo wipers and improved trim with Recaro seats but kept the same wheels as previously.

The wheels shown on Sensh's car are 15"x 6" integrale (8V) wheels, 16v wheels would not fit without serious arch modification.


Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: Andy D on 22 July, 2016, 07:46:58 PM
I have seen quite a few earlier pre-91 HF Turbos that have the HF 4WD / Integrale headlights but the standard bonnet.  Will these have been modified at some point or is there a chance they would have been sold new like this?  I'm guessing the former.

For example:

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C736848

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C740528



Title: Re: Hello all. Newbie here...
Post by: adamf on 21 August, 2016, 01:51:22 PM
Lovely car bud, I get around with work a bit so will give you a shout if I'm ever in your neck of the woods.

Only had my HF 10 months (got a post on the forum about it) or so and have similar questions to you!, drove it for a few months then garaged it as I was a bit too precious. Might be getting it back on the road again soon though and certainly have no plans on getting rid!

Adam

PS Andy D is very helpful and knowledgable!