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Title: LMC News Sheets - old photos - Stabilimenti Farina Aprilia
Post by: ColinMarr on 22 January, 2016, 06:20:08 PM
I had to look back into my old copies of LMC News Sheets from the 1980s to check up on some dates. I hadn’t looked at the old News Sheets for some time and I was agreeably surprised to find how good they were as companion publications to the quarterly Journals. In the late 1980s the editor was Ted Gibbs.

I scanned two examples of front covers that caught my eye – see attached. The one from April 1986 includes this photo, which is attributed to John Maltby, but without any explanation about what and where the gathering was. Another, from September 1985 includes an Eddie Gee sketch inspired by the Flavia Sport!

Colin


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: rogerelias on 22 January, 2016, 08:32:41 PM
I have travelled in NGP 50 Aprilia special, all I can remember was it was noisy in the back, but I was only a youngster,there is a good chance that my fathers car may be in the picture if it was taken in the UK Aprilia EGH 387


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: rogerelias on 22 January, 2016, 08:33:54 PM
Brillo factory somewhere


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: fay66 on 22 January, 2016, 10:33:30 PM
I had to look back into my old copies of LMC News Sheets from the 1980s to check up on some dates. I hadn’t looked at the old News Sheets for some time and I was agreeably surprised to find how good they were as companion publications to the quarterly Journals. In the late 1980s the editor was Ted Gibbs.

I scanned two examples of front covers that caught my eye – see attached. The one from April 1986 includes this photo, which is attributed to John Maltby, but without any explanation about what and where the gathering was. Another, from September 1985 includes an Eddie Gee sketch inspired by the Flavia Sport!

Colin

I think the car on the end is a Cisitalia.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 23 January, 2016, 08:33:11 AM
I had to look back into my old copies of LMC News Sheets from the 1980s to check up on some dates. I hadn’t looked at the old News Sheets for some time and I was agreeably surprised to find how good they were as companion publications to the quarterly Journals. In the late 1980s the editor was Ted Gibbs.

I scanned two examples of front covers that caught my eye – see attached. The one from April 1986 includes this photo, which is attributed to John Maltby, but without any explanation about what and where the gathering was. Another, from September 1985 includes an Eddie Gee sketch inspired by the Flavia Sport!

Colin

I think the car on the end is a Cisitalia.

Brian
8227 8)

Roger is saying it's an Aprilia special. Since he's ridden in it I assume he's right. I agree though, presumably it was 'inspired' by the Cisitalia, or even designed by the same design house?


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: JohnMillham on 23 January, 2016, 08:44:49 AM
That's my all time favourite Aprilia. I drove it a lot in the 1950s and 60s, when I worked for John Maltby. He eventually sold it to Roger Perry.  It had a fabulously fast steering column gear change and a live rear axle. It would easily do 100 mph, probably due to its shape, even when fitted with a first series motor. Maltby had a grille from an Appia fitted, as the original one didn't appeal to him!
Regards, John


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: fay66 on 23 January, 2016, 02:16:22 PM
That's my all time favourite Aprilia. I drove it a lot in the 1950s and 60s, when I worked for John Maltby. He eventually sold it to Roger Perry.  It had a fabulously fast steering column gear change and a live rear axle. It would easily do 100 mph, probably due to its shape, even when fitted with a first series motor. Maltby had a grille from an Appia fitted, as the original one didn't appeal to him!
Regards, John

I stand corrected :(

brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: lancialulu on 23 January, 2016, 04:39:16 PM
Grill reminds me of a Ford 100e  :D


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: ColinMarr on 23 January, 2016, 06:56:13 PM
This car has been written about before. The story was that it was built in 1950/51 with body by Stabilimenti Farina for the Mille Miglia of that year, but never raced – perhaps because it was too heavy to be fully competitive. The style is very much like Cisitalia of the same period. Others have seen it almost as a prototype for the Aurelia B20.

I assume John Maltby owned it at the time the photograph was taken, when it still had its original front end. I am surprised to hear that John changed the front because he preferred the Appia – I had assumed the front was damaged in a crash and it was easier to change it, rather than put it back to original. Photos attached show it in profile with signs of front end damage – the other as it was in 1968 when Roger Perry enjoyed it, complete with modified front end. Wherever the car is now, I would expect it’s been put back to its original form.

The *RILLO factory sign is interesting. I doubt it is “Brillo”, which is a trade name for a product - I doubt it would have merited such a big and bold sign. The other Aprilias in the photo also have UK plates, so presumably it’s in the UK, but I don’t know where.

Colin


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: Richard Fridd on 23 January, 2016, 07:05:06 PM
Wonderful, particularly in profile.


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: rogerelias on 23 January, 2016, 10:15:49 PM
Hi all, re Brillo, if you look above the 5th Aprilia in the photo you will see the name Brillo.  I have a reverse image of the side on photo with damage, on my wall where I am typing, it looks like mine was taken at the same time,not sure where it was taken, some say in the lake district, but I think if anyone would know it would be John


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: ColinMarr on 23 January, 2016, 10:46:16 PM
Thanks Roger, I hadn't noticed that smaller Brillo sign. I have now looked it up and indeed there was a such a a factory - the Brillo Manufacturing Company Of Great Britain (they were bought out by Johnsons in 1986 who now make the product in Sussex). So, it looks like the photo was taken at Maidenhead.

Also, two more photos of NGP: One of the 'other side', probably taken at the same time as the first profile, which shows no sign of the front damage, so maybe I was wrong about a crash leading to the change of front . The other of a rear view for comparison with a B20.

Colin


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: frankxhv773t on 24 January, 2016, 12:10:42 AM
A592 on the north bank of Ullswater looking towards Martindale?


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: neil-yaj396 on 24 January, 2016, 08:57:58 AM
Does this interesting car still exist, and if so is it in the UK?


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: JohnMillham on 24 January, 2016, 09:03:13 AM
Does this interesting car still exist, and if so is it in the UK?
I expect it still exists, but Roger Perry sold it to someone in Italy many years ago, where it presumably still is. All very interesting!
Regards, John


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 24 January, 2016, 09:38:22 AM
I think this is it now. http://www.lancistas.com/temas/auto-e-moto-depoca-padova-2012.2589/


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: ColinMarr on 24 January, 2016, 11:14:22 AM
After Roger's death it went to a somewhat secretive and mystery buyer in Italy. It's great to see this photo of it restored to its original form - thanks for posting it Ade. It would be good to see more photos, including some of the instruments and controls - I remember the short gear shift on the steering column with a beautiful jewel-like amber/plastic knob. And what of the engine? When Roger had it the engine was from a standard Aprilia, whereas originally it had a very special engine with a deeply finned rocker cover hiding something very clever.

Colin


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: GG on 24 January, 2016, 11:54:29 AM
Beautiful car. The back end comparison to B20 is quite nice.

Anyone have any thoughts on why the bonnet line is so long? Especially visible in the left side profile shot - in the length of the wheel arch to windscreen.


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: rogerelias on 24 January, 2016, 01:27:34 PM
Hi Colin, the lower photo is the one i have on the wall in the front room,


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: fay66 on 25 January, 2016, 12:49:17 AM
Not sure if Brillo Pads are still around, if not certainly something like them.
Brian,8227 8)


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: GeoffJohnson on 25 January, 2016, 12:38:51 PM
Hi Brian
According to Grace's guide Brillo pads have been made at Frimley Green Camberley since 1917 and are still going.
I think that old building has gone though.
Geoff Johnson


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: ColinMarr on 25 January, 2016, 05:02:17 PM
The idea of abrasive Brillo pads and big factories to make them, like in the photograph, does not fit easily in my mind with the genteel nature of Maidenhead and Frimley Green. But it’s good to be corrected.

Colin


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: frankxhv773t on 25 January, 2016, 05:14:18 PM
I suspect the Cordwallis Industrial Estate is a little less desirable a location than some other parts of Maidenhead.

Was there a Lancia facility next door to Brillo?



Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: JohnMillham on 25 January, 2016, 05:27:50 PM
I suspect the Cordwallis Industrial Estate is a little less desirable a location than some other parts of Maidenhead.

Was there a Lancia facility next door to Brillo?


I'm pretty sure not, but when I first saw the photograph I wondered if there was a Brillo works next to Lancia in Alperton. I went there many times, but can't remember who was next door! 
Regards, John


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: ColinMarr on 25 January, 2016, 06:47:20 PM
Before we move on from this Aprilia, here is a Roger Perry photo of it taken in about 1965. For comparison, there is also a photo of my B20 taken at exactly the same spot in Church Crescent Muswell Hill, north London, almost 30 years later.

In response to Geoff’s question – it was a very long bonnet with lots of space behind the motor and gearbox. The steering column was so long the steering wheel was almost in the vertical plane, which felt good. I guess the car was built on the standard telaio floor pan and Farina chose to place the cabin towards the rear, rather than give it a longer back end. One of the weak points of this set up was the live rear-axle using half-shafts with keys at the outer ends, which were prone to shearing with complete loss of final drive. I hope the new owner has found a solution.

Colin


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: DavidLaver on 25 January, 2016, 08:57:26 PM

Lovely stuff - of course the Eddie Gee sketch being my highlight for all I love that special Aprilia. 

Any more of Eddie's work to hand? His isn't a name I recognise...

David


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: the.cern on 26 January, 2016, 07:10:45 AM
I met Eddie back in the 70s. He was then an avid collector of Asturas.

His wife seemed quite knowledgeable on Lancia matters and when asked by Lynn how she knew so much responded "Well, if I don't know about Lancias I don't get to talk at all!!!" That kept Lynn quiet .... but only for a short while!!

He used to produce cartoons for the front cover of the magazine, a great talent! I particularly remember his one when of the white hen (Y10)!!!

                                            Andy


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: GeoffJohnson on 26 January, 2016, 01:18:49 PM
I suspect the Cordwallis Industrial Estate is a little less desirable a location than some other parts of Maidenhead.

Was there a Lancia facility next door to Brillo?


Hi Frank
After looking again at Graces Guide I found this old advert giving their address as North Circular Road London NW10
That would put it pretty close to Alperton! Sorry for previous misleading information.
Geoff Johnson


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: ColinMarr on 19 March, 2017, 10:59:24 AM
I am reviving this thread as it’s the best place to post another great photo of the Stabilimenti Farina Aprilia once owned by John Maltby and Roger Perry. See earlier posts for more about this car and other photos. This new photo, which has just come to light, is another by John Maltby and was almost certainly taken on the same day in the Lake District as the two other photos. Not only is it a great photo, but it also clearly shows the original front-end before it was re-modelled after a crash.

Perhaps the administrator can re-title this thread to show that it is mostly concerned with this special car – say add the words 'Stabilimenti Farina Aprilia'.

Colin


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: GG on 19 March, 2017, 12:44:52 PM
A stunning car and a gorgeous photo. Thank you for posting.


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos
Post by: Parisien on 19 March, 2017, 01:18:28 PM

Perhaps the administrator can re-title this thread to show that it is mostly concerned with this special car – say add the words 'Stabilimenti Farina Aprilia'.

Colin


Dually added Colin, if additional tweeking needed let me know


P


Title: Re: LMC News Sheets - old photos - Stabilimenti Farina Aprilia
Post by: rogerelias on 19 March, 2017, 04:45:24 PM
I have a very similar photo on my wall possibly same location. mine is a complete side on photo