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Title: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 19 February, 2015, 08:33:29 AM
I have sinned. Looks to have last been on the road circa 1973 (the last tax disc is on the dash, but I can only read '197...' In the pic). Story is that it has been in storage (along with a lot of other cars from the collection) for 30 years while the family fought over inheritance.

And look what I got at Automotoretrò to put on the boot lid (it lights up, and was a period accessory for Appias and Aurelias!). For some reason it has come out all squashed in the pic, but it isn't really like that!

The car's not quite as good as the other one (it's got S2 sidelights and headlight rims, and it has been reupholstered in nasty 60s vinyl). But I have seat covers (LOTS of seat covers), and also spare S1 sidelights that I got off Ron Francis years ago for the other one - and the accessories on it are to die for (rear number plate surround, bumper overriders, crankcase breather, St Chris on dash, floor mats, horn...).

Given that I'd quite like to stay married, I should probably have kept away from Turin last week, but I can never walk away from an unrestored S1 Appia...


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: mikeC on 19 February, 2015, 08:56:17 AM
Lovely find!


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 19 February, 2015, 09:04:52 AM
Lovely find!

Thanks! You just can't beat S1s! Is yours the brown one that was being sold by the guy from Cambridge who acts as an agent for Nervesauto? I was tempted by that one too!


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: DavidLaver on 19 February, 2015, 09:17:01 AM

What a thrill!!!

When do you get it home?

David


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 19 February, 2015, 09:28:24 AM
What a thrill!!!
When do you get it home?

If the wife isn't looking, next weekend  ;)

Actually, I've managed to get her to agree to come with me, so I'm taking the car trailer next Saturday and we'll make a weekend of it - we've just found a really nice little family-run hotel near the town centre that does B&B for 38 euros, and Turin is only 175 miles from home now so it won't cost much to fetch it! Mind you, I am in Stafford at the moment, so it's a heck of a lot more than 175 miles from here!

Can't wait to start plastering it with tasteless accessories sorry recommission it and get it running...  :)


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: DavidLaver on 19 February, 2015, 09:40:49 AM

What's that horn?  Quite a thing...


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: chugga boom on 19 February, 2015, 09:51:27 AM
well done , looks a nice augusta next to it too!


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 19 February, 2015, 10:12:49 AM
well done , looks a nice augusta next to it too!

Sadly the Augusta had gone (these are the pix he sent me - I forgot to take the iPad!). But he had some fantastic stuff, and all in lovely unrestored condition. My favourite was a 1934 Bianchi S9, which is €30000, or about €29000 more than I could afford. But I might have broken my 'only Appias' rule if I'd had a spare €30000 on me. I'll post a pic if I can find it.


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 19 February, 2015, 10:20:51 AM
well done , looks a nice augusta next to it too!

Found em!


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 19 February, 2015, 10:26:36 AM
What's that horn?  Quite a thing...

My other Appia also has a serious horn - I think it was a popular fitment back them, to help with the 'GETTA OUTA MIA WAYA' that you needed to make progress in the 50s. It seems to work off the manifold vacuum. Should be fun...


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: fay66 on 19 February, 2015, 11:55:18 AM

What's that horn?  Quite a thing...

I once got stopped by Mr plod when driving a 1940's Wolseley fitted with something similar who considered it "Somewhat Excessive"

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: mikeC on 19 February, 2015, 07:58:46 PM
Lovely find!

... Is yours the brown one that was being sold by the guy from Cambridge who acts as an agent for Nervesauto? I was tempted by that one too!

Yes, that's the one:

(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q136/vernonderby/My%20Cars/P1020815800_zpsb7e7d8a7.jpg) (http://s135.photobucket.com/user/vernonderby/media/My%20Cars/P1020815800_zpsb7e7d8a7.jpg.html)


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: bobhenry999 on 19 February, 2015, 10:58:41 PM
Fantastic find, i`m really envious as i have been thinking of getting an Appia to sit alongside my 815 Coupe.

Just for the future, how difficult is the import to the UK, and what did it involve, as although I collected mine from Italy, all the importation stuff was sorted out by someone else, and I am interested in going over to buy, and drive back another car.

Bob



Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: mikeC on 19 February, 2015, 11:15:20 PM
No real problems, Bob , except DVLA would not accept my documentary evidence for an age-related plate because everything I had was all in Italian (no doubt in the future they will only accept documents if they are in Welsh!); as long as you car's identity numbers are accessible, the LMC can resolved things.


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 20 February, 2015, 01:53:44 AM
Lovely find!
... Is yours the brown one that was being sold by the guy from Cambridge who acts as an agent for Nervesauto? I was tempted by that one too!
Yes, that's the one

Looks very nice! I agonised over it for SO long (he's had it for sale for about 3 years), but in the end the money didn't materialise. It hasn't now either, but I couldn't let this one escape. I love your plastic peak number plates - nowadays everyone has pressed aluminium, but back then everyone had plastic peak, and they look much nicer.

The DVLA used to be pussycats, but apparently since NOVA they have got a lot more awkward and less competent (refusing to accept documents because they are in a common, European, foreign language is incompetent at best and bigoted at worst). As far as I am concerned they can go hang, because I shall be importing mine into France. However, the French DVLA are not renowned for being nice people either...


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 20 February, 2015, 02:00:00 AM
Fantastic find, i`m really envious as i have been thinking of getting an Appia to sit alongside my 815 Coupe.

Do it! I have driven and restored a lot of cars in my life, many of them (supposedly!) more exalted than Appias. But I have never come into contact with anything that approaches the delicacy, shell rigidity or quality of finish of a Series 1 Appia. The Italian nickname for them is 'bomboniere', which basically means delicate little fancies, and I couldn't put it better myself: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomboniere


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: DavidLaver on 20 February, 2015, 08:50:23 PM

Alan,

For you it HAS to be the series 1?

David


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: the.cern on 20 February, 2015, 08:59:13 PM
Alan, I have only driven a Series 2, but feel that nick-name, 'delicate little fancy', is a very accurate description for it. Is there a big difference in feel between the S1 and the S2?

Glad to see that you are settling in la belle France.

                                           Andy


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 20 February, 2015, 11:55:57 PM
Alan, I have only driven a Series 2, but feel that nick-name, 'delicate little fancy', is a very accurate description for it. Is there a big difference in feel between the S1 and the S2?
Glad to see that you are settling in
Andy

Thanks Andy - you are in danger of getting a visit if I can co-ordinate one to see Simon when you are around...

And in answer to your (and David's) question re. S1 vs S2 - the difference is HUGE! In comparison with an S1, everything on an S2 feels heavier and more ponderous (and to be fair more solid and substantial - they didn't facelift them after 2 years for nothing!). It is a subjective matter, and many wouldn't agree (although Don Cross, who knows his Appias, isn't one of them!), but in my view the S1 is streets ahead of the S2 and S3 for delicacy, 'nervousness' and vintage feel. Nowhere near as fast or durable, but that's not the point! I have owned 4 S3s, the Furgoncino (which I never drove, although I did drive the Consortium one), and now two S1s. And for me at least, it's S1s all the way! I will miss the Furgoncino for ever, but with 16-inch wheels and an Aurelia front axle, delicate it ain't!



Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: DavidLaver on 21 February, 2015, 12:26:28 AM

Having had four S3s what drew you to them in the first place and "what's not to like"?

David


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 21 February, 2015, 07:55:18 AM
Having had four S3s what drew you to them in the first place and "what's not to like"?

MUCH cheaper (half the price really), MUCH easier to find (probably 20-50 times as many left), MUCH more durable to use as daily drivers, nicer to drive (chuckable and unburstable), faster (used to cruise my last S3 at 80-85, which was faster than it is supposed to go at all!).

Also (and this is a big one with me but maybe less so for some), I feel more of a responsibility to preserve and cherish older Lancias, as they are exponentially rarer. If I use an S3 and it goes downhill a bit it's not the end of the world because there are loads more where that came from. Do that with an S1 and you've destroyed an irreplaceable piece of automotive heritage. That said, it's that attitude that made S1s rare in the first place - in the scene in the Italian job where they use a transporter full of (scrap) cars as a battering ram and an Austin Cambridge falls on a Simca Étoile (or vice versa?), one of the scrappers on the bottom deck of the transporter is an S1 Appia.

But anyway, whatever the rights and wrongs, an S3 is a much better proposition as a daily driver because of its much less rare and more available status. As an object of desire to cherish and enjoy, an S1 is streets ahead.

Until I found this S1 I was looking for an S3 to use as a daily driver (the one that Simon has was going to be it, but with the move to France I didn't have the time to do the work it needed).

Then this S1 came along, for basically what was S3 money, and in one in a million condition, and I hesitated at first. But then I thought that I could still use it as a driver most of the time where I am, as it is hot and dry except for about 3 months just ending now.

And I've got my 'bump-stop special' Ypsilon Elefantino rosso with Konis, lowered springs, 6-speed box, etc., to use in winter.

So really it's horses for courses. Peter Baker rallied his S1 with a lot of success, and he is full of praise for its qualities in that role (I was talking to him about it only last week when he came through the area on the Classic Monte!).


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: the.cern on 21 February, 2015, 08:57:27 AM
Alan, I have never before heard any comparison between the Appia series. That is so very interesting. I hope others will now join in  and give us the benefit of their opinions. Having only ever driven an S2 I am not able to offer any comment on this.

                            Andy

 


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 21 February, 2015, 09:03:59 AM
Having had four S3s what drew you to them in the first place and "what's not to like"?

Meant to say before - there is really only one 'not to like' on all Appias. As I said before, S2s and (more so) S3s are heavier, more 'modern' feeling and less delicate, with all the pros and cons that that implies.

But they all have one drawback, which is harder to address on S3s. Appias are not as rust-prone as later cars, largely because of the quality of the steel used (they aren't really any better painted than Fulvias, but the decline in steel quality used seems to post-date the Appia).

So rust isn't the really scary problem it can be on later cars, and Appias are also massively over-engineered, which is another reason I like them.

However, the rear wings are the most amazing mud trap. They aren't structural (although the inner ones to some extent are). But you need to watch em, and if they haven't been off the car they WILL be rusty inside. Use em in winter and the salt up there is almost impossible to get out and will do untold damage.

The other problem area is between the back of the front wings and the scuttle - mud and salt get up there and rot the scuttle out. Again, if you use the car in winter this will do terrible damage in quite a short timescale.

On S1s and S2s the front wings are removable.

But on S3s they aren't...


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: lancialulu on 21 February, 2015, 10:37:37 AM
Alan, I have never before heard any comparison between the Appia series. That is so very interesting. I hope others will now join in  and give us the benefit of their opinions. Having only ever driven an S2 I am not able to offer any comment on this.

                            Andy

 

Perhaps an article in VL??


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 22 February, 2015, 09:13:14 AM
Alan, I have never before heard any comparison between the Appia series. That is so very interesting. I hope others will now join in  and give us the benefit of their opinions. Having only ever driven an S2 I am not able to offer any comment on this.
Perhaps an article in VL??

That's a very good idea - I am a writer, after all! I have a really big selection of Italian language original road tests on the Appia (there isn't much in English, so the English language knowledge base tends to be very small). I've also got some period French and German stuff, which is also good. I have been meaning to summarise and translate them for many years (I translated Don Cross's route book for the 2003 Via Appia run and promised I'd do it then!).

While I was running the business it was impossible, because doing my writing work as well as the cars meant I was always working 25 hours a day, but now that things are settling down a bit it would be good to summarise what it all says (and also the 'Lancia Ardea e Appia' book in Italian by Sergio Puttini, which is brilliant).

Don's knowledge on the cars is huge, but he doesn't speak Italian (or French or German!), and I have always felt guilty that I never managed to fill in the gaps for him, because apart from Wim's book most of what is worth reading about Appias is in Italian.


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: lancialulu on 22 February, 2015, 09:22:31 AM
Sounds like a few articles!! Better start scribing before the real driving weather comes around the corner........


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 22 February, 2015, 09:48:33 AM
Sounds like a few articles!! Better start scribing before the real driving weather comes around the corner........

Too late - it's arrived here already, although I need to wait for some good rain to wash the salt away!


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: the.cern on 22 February, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
There is smug and there is smug .........


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 23 February, 2015, 09:34:55 AM
There is smug and there is smug .........

Hee hee hee...

Actually, I went through a lot and sacrificed a lot to get here. And I waited 25 years (I wanted to do it 25 years ago because you can be a writer anywhere, but it took that long to persuade my wife!). And France was my second choice - I wanted to move to Italy, for obvious reasons, but my wife doesn't speak Italian so the compromise was 50 miles west of the Italian border.


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: the.cern on 23 February, 2015, 04:19:14 PM
Seems Like a very reasonable compromise. I hope she is enjoying it as much as you obviously are!!!


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 09 March, 2015, 07:57:28 AM
I have sinned. Looks to have last been on the road circa 1973 (the last tax disc is on the dash, but I can only read '197...' In the pic). Story is that it has been in storage (along with a lot of other cars from the collection) for 30 years while the family fought over inheritance.

Been and got it now - photos to follow. Mind you, my wife came with me and so I ended up spending longer in IKEA than picking the car up (the seller was very amused that we had gone all the way to Turin and then went to IKEA, which is everywhere - but in fact the Turin branch is the second closest to us after Avignon, and we had a big trailer with only a small Appia in it, and we needed a bed...).

Also visited Cavalitto (of course!), and the 'Balôn' antique (junk...) and flea market, which I had been told about by Enrico at Cavalitto, and which is the best I have ever visited (and boy, have I visited some junk markets!). An absolute must if/when you are next in Turin:

http://www.comune.torino.it/torinoplus/english/viveretorino/mercati/Balon/index.shtml

Right - off to get all the Balôn junk out of the Appia, and then the Appia out of the trailer...


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: the.cern on 09 March, 2015, 09:04:46 AM
Brilliant Alan, I/we cannot wait to see the photographs!!

                           Andy


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: GG on 09 March, 2015, 05:56:02 PM
Wonderful thread - just to fill in some thoughts on the s.2 - which we've had since 1996, bought from the estate of the original owner, and out of the small garage where he had brought it home in 1959. I share the love of Appias, and the joys of an unrestored one is that you can simply marvel in how Lancia's engineering and fabrication prowess holds up over time: the door gap remains 1/16" without any variation in 56 years. Remarkable.
The pleasure of the s.2 (for me) is that it is totally usable, and yet has the period look in the front grill, etc. Granted, the rear isn't as attractive as the s.1, but it has more trunk room (not much to start with) and the engine is certainly robust. Its not as fast as the s.3, I don't think we really can go over 75mph, but then again its on an original engine, so we probably shouldn't anyway!

As to lightness, I'm a big fan of that (preferring the s.2 B20 to anything later for exactly this reason) and find it hard to see the s.2 Appia as ponderous. It is delightfully balanced, and having never driven an s.1, perhaps there is a big difference. The weight (if there is much to discuss) in the later car is certainly in build quality, and being less than 2,000 lbs, can't really call it heavy. But like all things Lancia, there is always more to learn. An s.1 would be interesting to ride in. Anyone going to Sliding Pillar?

Here's a link to an s.2 story and some pictures: http://stories.lanciainfo.com/Lancia_Info_Stories/Appia.html

Geoff


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 09 March, 2015, 10:09:40 PM
You can simply marvel in how Lancia's engineering and fabrication prowess holds up over time: the door gap remains 1/16" without any variation in 56 years. Remarkable.
The pleasure of the s.2 (for me) is that it is totally usable, and yet has the period look in the front grill, etc. Granted, the rear isn't as attractive as the s.1, but it has more trunk room (not much to start with) and the engine is certainly robust. Its not as fast as the s.3, I don't think we really can go over 75mph, but then again its on an original engine, so we probably shouldn't anyway!
As to lightness, I'm a big fan of that (preferring the s.2 B20 to anything later for exactly this reason) and find it hard to see the s.2 Appia as ponderous. It is delightfully balanced, and having never driven an s.1, perhaps there is a big difference. The weight (if there is much to discuss) in the later car is certainly in build quality, and being less than 2,000 lbs, can't really call it heavy. But like all things Lancia, there is always more to learn. An s.1 would be interesting to ride in. Anyone going to Sliding Pillar?
Here's a link to an s.2 story and some pictures: http://stories.lanciainfo.com/Lancia_Info_Stories/Appia.html
Geoff

Amen to that - especially the door gaps, which I find truly amazing. Eat your heart out Honda (and everyone else, but Honda leave all the others for dead). Although as Will How and I have always said, I think they left the apprentices to fit the boot lids, as the shut lines on those are nowhere near as good. They are about 80% as good on S1s and about 40% as good on S2s and S3s. But the doors are staggering

Re. weight - I wasn't so much trying to say that S2s and S3s were heavy and ponderous, as that S1s are amazingly light and delicate-feeling (perhaps a bit TOO delicate!). My S3s all felt bombproof and unburstable, while I can't really say that S1s feel like that - you have this impression of delicate machinery that needs to be cared for, and you find yourself listening for untoward noises (although there aren't usually any!). One of the contributory factors in S1s feeling very light and delicate hits you as you enter the car because the door handles are made of ally and are very light and light-operating, and along with the ally doors give a very feather-light impression compared with the inox door handles on S2s which, although still fitted to ally doors, feel as if they could survive a nuclear attack. I'm not saying it's a bad thing (S1 handles are maybe a bit *too* delicate) - just that it all forms part of a feeling of more substantial and modern-feeling build and less delicacy.

S1s also have no oil filter, which is slightly worrying, but I change the oil every 1000 miles because oil is cheaper than engines. In the one I have had for 15 years I once drove 15 miles into the sun with it before getting home and finding there was no oil in it - an oil pipe had burst, but I couldn't see the gauge because I was dazzled. I was absolutely terrified that I had damaged the engine, but that was 10 years ago and nothing bad has happened yet!

I agree with you about the rear end styling (I think it looks like a cute little rump, a bit like a Mini's only 5 years earlier), but I know that I am not necessarily in the majority on that, and that a lot of people prefer the more 'classic' (but also more mainstream) look of the S2/3 'bum'. The roof of the S1 also rises above the back doors before dropping to the rear window, which gives it a slightly 'hump-backed' look in comparison with the Aurelia B10 (which it is supposed to be - and basically is - a small-scale version of).

I also like the S1's integrated bumpers (next car to have them, apart from the 57 Chevy, Ford Classic and a few others, was as far as I can remember the Renault 5 in 1972!). So they were a very predictive and forward-looking feature, and they are practical in that they keep the dirt etc. under control and you don't have to clean an annoying gap between them and the body, but they are quite vulnerable - early ones were aluminium with no rubber strip, then they added a rubber strip, and you could also get steel ones as an aftermarket accessory (which I have on both of mine, but I also have a couple of new spare aluminium ones in the shed so that I can return them to standard if I want to!).

Things that were aluminium on the S1 and are steel on the S2 are: bumpers, hubcaps, door handles, boot lid and rear wings. Bumpers and hubcaps are probably no bad thing as they are somewhat easily dented, but I prefer the ally boot and rear wings as they are less rust prone! It saves a bit of weight but not a massive amount, and although S1s do feel very lively to drive this is largely because they are low-geared. My S3s didn't feel as fast as the S1 but were actually a lot faster. However, the combination of higher gearing, more weight and a more powerful engine gave them some 'modern' or 'big' car characteristics that the S1 doesn't have (and which I don't want!). I like the feeling of being able to zip round like a hooligan in my buzzy little car, while actually not exceeding any speed limits or endangering anyone because I am actually going a lot more slowly than I think I am (James Hunt's last car was an Austin A35 van, which he liked for the same reasons).

As I said earlier in the thread, the intention was to run an S3 as a daily driver alongside the S1 to cherish. Now I will be running an S1 as a daily driver, and I am looking forward to it but I am also a bit apprehensive...

I have just taken some pix of it in the trailer (it is still in it because I have to clean out some space in the shed to get it in!) - I'll post them next.


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 09 March, 2015, 10:37:52 PM
I have just taken some pix of it in the trailer (it is still in it because I have to clean out some space in the shed to get it in!) - I'll post them next.

O.K. - here they are. Not much detail yet because it is dark in the trailer, but I've done a few showing the wonderful rubber mats (same as my other one has) - appear to be made out of shredded recycled tyres, and I love em. Also the religious icon on the radio blank (the other car had about 8 of those in the glovebox, and still has the blessing(!) from Faenza Cathedral in 1954 attached to the steering column - the pleasures of buying cars from a Catholic country!).

Tax disc says 75, not 73 - apparently the family has been fighting over the inheritance of the collection of cars that this one was in, that the next generation is now dying off, and so instead of it being 6 brothers arguing, it is now 24 grandchildren!

One of the photos show an absolutely brilliant washstand that we got at the 'Balôn' market - one of the many virtues of Appias' suicide doors is that you can get LOADS of stuff in, and as this had durable plastic seats (yuck!) I didn't have to worry about damaging them.

And finally, one that tickles me pink. The seats aren't original, sadly - they have been redone with one of the proprietary upholstery kits that you could get in accessory shops in Italy in the 50s, and the doors, seats and parcel shelf are all done in a matching but in my view quite nasty black vinyl set, which is nowhere near as nice as the beautiful cloth it had when new. However, it is a daily driver so I should be grateful of the practicality - although I shall not be grateful of it sticking to my bum on hot days (paragraph 4, line 2: http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/corena/chap28.htm).

However, the headliner is original and in excellent condition, and has a massive patch of hair grease where the presumably slightly-larger-than-average Italian driver's head rubbed Brylcreem into it over the years. I shall of course be keeping that exactly as it is and not cleaning it off (much to my wife's disgust!) - what a fantastic piece of evidence of life as it used to be...


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 09 March, 2015, 10:43:40 PM
Sorry - just accidentally hit return and re-posted the last message I had just done, but there doesn't seem to be a 'delete' option, so I am stuck with it!


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: Parisien on 09 March, 2015, 10:59:16 PM
Sorry - just accidentally hit return and re-posted the last message I had just done, but there doesn't seem to be a 'delete' option, so I am stuck with it!

Not sure what you mean Alan, I don't see a duplicate

P

PS Can't your Missus wear an Easter bonnet to stop cross contamination when being driven in the Brylcreem Appia??!!

;)


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: westernlancia on 09 March, 2015, 11:09:53 PM
Sorry - just accidentally hit return and re-posted the last message I had just done, but there doesn't seem to be a 'delete' option, so I am stuck with it!
Not sure what you mean Alan, I don't see a duplicate
PS Can't your Missus wear an Easter bonnet to stop cross contamination when being driven in the Brylcreem Appia??!!
;)

I deleted the duplicate and replaced it with the apology, because it doesn't seem possible to delete a post completely!

Excellent idea re. Easter bonnet - I shall suggest it forthwith. She wouldn't actually usually be seen dead in an Appia, but it was an absolute masterstroke taking her to Turin IKEA (and ski-ing on the way!), so I have lots and lots of brownie points!


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: stanley sweet on 10 March, 2015, 10:57:09 AM
Looks great. Love the little details. Always exciting when a new car arrives home and you get to know it. As for the Brylcreem - you never know, in 50's Italy a smear of olive oil might have done the trick.


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: the.cern on 10 March, 2015, 05:29:13 PM
I think you should call your new purchase Brylcreem, at least to yourself. It seems your good lady might not like to be reminded unnecessarily of the previous owner.

I am looking forward to future posts on the investigations into and work you do on the car.

Best wishes,

                    Andy


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: frankxhv773t on 10 March, 2015, 09:45:22 PM
Six brothers fighting over the estate becoming 24 grand children fighting over the estate is the down side of buying cars in a Catholic country.


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: simonandjuliet on 10 March, 2015, 10:02:29 PM
Try France !

Napoleonic law is still enforced .....


Title: Re: And then there were two...
Post by: Parisien on 10 March, 2015, 10:07:37 PM
Try France !

Napoleonic law is still enforced .....



And rightly so!

 ;D

 :o

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