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Model Technical and Interest => Aurelia => Topic started by: Richard Fridd on 22 May, 2013, 10:42:26 AM



Title: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Richard Fridd on 22 May, 2013, 10:42:26 AM
I have accessed the site, but can't print the pdf. In the meantime can anyone remind me what this is please? (On the Aurelia Mania site but also in VL c1995)


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Parisien on 22 May, 2013, 01:26:14 PM
It looks like a skeletal tubal frame holding an extremely poorly bodied B 20 together.......bit like someone with a cranial fracture, sorta ingenious


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Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Richard Fridd on 22 May, 2013, 01:41:48 PM
Another


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: DavidLaver on 22 May, 2013, 04:23:28 PM

Is there a way of telling if it is a B20 substructure or a Berlina that wants to be a B20?

David


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Niels Jonassen on 23 May, 2013, 02:51:29 PM
In 1982 I visited Luciano Basso's workshop i Turin. He was in he process of building two copies of the lightweight racing B20s with aluminium body. The car I saw was bulit around a frame looking exactly like this. If you look at the front of the frame you will se that it has the racing Aurelia louvres.


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: ColinMarr on 06 June, 2013, 08:10:16 PM
Here are photos of one of Basso's replicas - taken at the LMC track-day at Castle Combe in 1993.

Colin


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Richard Fridd on 06 June, 2013, 09:12:51 PM
I was at Castle Coombe that day Colin and thanks for the reminder! I too took a shot of that car. If I had known more about it at the time,when I was in my twenties, I would have paid more attention! Anyhow which one is this?


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: chriswgawne on 09 June, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
The brown car at Castle Combe in 1993 was supercharged I recall and looked and sounded great and I think the bulkhead was modified to clear the supercharger. Great to see photos - any of the engine bay Colin?
I believe I saw the pale blue one in a workshop in Turin in 2006 when it had a 2 litre engine with, I think, a twin Soles Nardi conversion. If my memory is correct, this car was built on a 1st Series floorpan.
Chris


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Richard Fridd on 10 June, 2013, 06:46:29 AM
There is this one as well


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: ColinMarr on 10 June, 2013, 08:00:05 AM
My memory is that the brown lightweight B20 at Castle Combe didn't do more than one session and was put away somewhere - I didn't get the chance to see under the bonnet or to hear it. I was a bit preoccupied with my own B20, but I did have the chance to admire the D24 (and its inboard front brakes!), which was also owned by Anthony Maclean. I think I have posted these photos before, but they are worth another outing. Anthony is the guy in the middle of three in the black and white (Leica!) photo. Note the absence of the lightweight car in the parade lap assembly.

Colin


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: chriswgawne on 10 June, 2013, 09:46:59 AM
Richard,
Correct me if I am wrong but the black car actually has a standard B20 body. The front wings look original to me.
However fitting sliding perspex windows + frames can give an illusion of a lower roof, particularly if the roof is a lighter colour. The sliding windows not only save weight but more importantly (IMHO) they allow the driver a lot more elbow room with a big steering wheel.
I have seen a couple iof B20s with a lowered roof normally coupled with a roof vent and upper wiper but there is more work to this than meets the eye.
Chris


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Richard Fridd on 10 June, 2013, 10:45:28 AM
Thanks for pointing that out Chris, and I wish I had taken more photos at Coombe Colin, although I probably only had a 24 film with me to last the whole day(including rejects) Here is one more photo where the car has a roof duct but no upper wiper, and peering into my Blackbaerry what looks like a a B20 shell


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: DavidLaver on 10 June, 2013, 02:24:03 PM

I think that is the Mark Knopfler car - maybe it was a team of three that included him - that did the Carrera PanAmerica in the late 80s...  I'm trying to remember 25 years back but it might have had Flamina running gear all the way through.  A google just now linked Nick Mason and Dave Gilmore to the enterprise and perhaps 1988.

David


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: ColinMarr on 10 June, 2013, 05:19:36 PM
I think there might be a confusion here between 'proper' lightweight replicas, such as the Anthony Maclean car, and the look-alike cars as used in the retro PanAmerica events. I remember one such car being prepared by Barry Waterhouse and the job I saw him doing was to put on a bit of negative camber on the front suspension. I think I mentioned this before - he was about to use a whole bottle of gas to do both sides in-situ on the car. I think it had been sub-contracted to Barry by the man who used to run Paradise Garage in Fulham and maybe he was contracted to do it by Nick Mason. The car was standard all-steel B20, but certainly looked the part. Sorry, no photos!

Colin


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 10 June, 2013, 05:28:13 PM
These are the details for the pale blue car
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/15342/lot/372/?search_query=1&division=&passages=True&earliest_first=True&value_data_currency=GBP&value_data_order_spec=%5B%27-value_low%27%5D&back_to_year=2003&date_range=past&main_index=lot&department=MOT-CAR&query=lancia%2Baurelia&create_facets=False&value_data_range_display=

and one of the recreation Carrera Panamerica cars
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/13352/lot/233/?search_query=1&division=&passages=True&earliest_first=True&value_data_currency=GBP&value_data_order_spec=%5B%27-value_low%27%5D&back_to_year=2003&date_range=past&main_index=lot&department=MOT-CAR&query=lancia%2Baurelia&create_facets=False&value_data_range_display=

and another race prepared car
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/13162/lot/229/?search_query=1&division=&passages=True&earliest_first=True&value_data_currency=GBP&value_data_order_spec=%5B%27-value_low%27%5D&back_to_year=2003&date_range=past&main_index=lot&department=MOT-CAR&query=lancia%2Baurelia&create_facets=False&value_data_range_display=


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Richard Fridd on 10 June, 2013, 05:48:57 PM
Thanks Ade, the pale blue one sounds interesting. Would this one have the tubular construction to support the alluminium panels? Also here is a photo of Nick Mason's car


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: chriswgawne on 10 June, 2013, 06:20:49 PM
The so-called 'Carrera Panamerica' ex Martin Birrane car is currently at Richard Thornes being prepared for long distance rallying and I believe the other red car with the Gamberini engine lives in Chobham, Surrey. I havent seen it but it was at a LMC track day at Goodwood a couopkle of years ago I believe.


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Kevin MacBride on 10 June, 2013, 11:31:50 PM
The so-called 'Carrera Panamerica' ex Martin Birrane car is currently at Richard Thornes being prepared for long distance rallying and I believe the other red car with the Gamberini engine lives in Chobham, Surrey. I havent seen it but it was at a LMC track day at Goodwood a couopkle of years ago I believe.

I did some work on this car (Birranes) when it lived at Mondello. I saw it recently for sale at what I thought was a staggering 90k !!!   Did it sell for this price I wonder ?   I wonder does it still have my out of date seat and harness ?


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Richard Fridd on 19 July, 2013, 07:40:17 AM
The pale blue car is now sold I think, and here is an article from a while back http://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/recreation-lancia-d50-grand-prix-car


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Niels Jonassen on 20 July, 2013, 02:28:01 PM
It may be of interest to note that the two replicas I saw in August 1982 being bulit by Basso were built on the following platforms: B20 1092 and B20 1442.


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: Parisien on 03 January, 2018, 06:11:04 PM
The brown car at Castle Combe in 1993 was supercharged I recall and looked and sounded great and I think the bulkhead was modified to clear the supercharger. Great to see photos - any of the engine bay Colin?
I believe I saw the pale blue one in a workshop in Turin in 2006 when it had a 2 litre engine with, I think, a twin Soles Nardi conversion. If my memory is correct, this car was built on a 1st Series floorpan.
Chris


Following on from Wills B10 thread and mention of Citroen Traction Avant wheels being modified to fit the Aurelia ( I think I still have a couple of same in my garage roof space), on browsing ebay I came across this, then checking further to find Chris's mention of a supercharged B20, would this version of a supercharger be suitable for an Aurelia engine?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-DS-supercharger/252304347660?hash=item3abe82d20c:g:QTMAAOSwll1W1NlA


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Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 January, 2018, 07:38:39 PM
To me it doesn't look sufficiently like the period supercharger. You might as well rescue a Volumex unit from the VSCC boys and keep things Lancia.


Title: Re: Aurelia Mania
Post by: GG on 03 January, 2018, 09:58:02 PM
In the realm of the totally obscure, there were probably period superchargers made for the Aurelia. I've never seen one, but one by Intermeccanica is mentioned in period literature. A Lancia version of the holy grail.

And then there is this: