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Buy, Sell and Search => Lancia vehicles for sale => Topic started by: Jai Sharma on 09 January, 2013, 11:14:08 PM



Title: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: Jai Sharma on 09 January, 2013, 11:14:08 PM
I notice one is coming up at Coys auction, a LHD road car. No connection to me! Estimate £30-35k
I found it funny that the new brake pads showed it had been serviced!


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: lancialulu on 10 January, 2013, 11:52:55 AM
is there a link?

Tim

No I am not thinking of buying it. Just curious.


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: ncundy on 10 January, 2013, 01:03:33 PM
http://www.coys.co.uk/auction.php?itemID=2437&auctionID=28

Not sure the bit about chassis number is particularly revealing  :D  but it looks the real deal.

Be interesting to see what it achieves as I'm not aware of a Fanalone being sold publically in the UK for a fair few years. Also interesting is that it's an Italian car being sold in a UK auction, one would thinnk the market is stronger in Europe especially for a LHD car?


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: bruciebonuz on 10 January, 2013, 04:16:50 PM
Or you could have this S2 for £30k....

http://www.targaflorioclassics.co.uk/#/72-lancia-fulvia-16hf-gr4/4572517064

Will keep a keen eye on the Coys car  ;)


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: Jai Sharma on 10 January, 2013, 09:28:11 PM
http://www.coys.co.uk/auction.php?itemID=2437&auctionID=28

Not sure the bit about chassis number is particularly revealing  :D  but it looks the real deal.

Be interesting to see what it achieves as I'm not aware of a Fanalone being sold publically in the UK for a fair few years. Also interesting is that it's an Italian car being sold in a UK auction, one would thinnk the market is stronger in Europe especially for a LHD car?

Agreed, I couldn't see the logic in selling it here, although there must be some. On top of the final price will be buyers commission at 10 or 15% I suppose.


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: ncundy on 11 January, 2013, 09:39:26 AM
This seems to be an advert for the same car:

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page/188394/1970-lancia-fulvia/

but it shows a different car? The engine photo from the coys site is the same one as on here although the car obviously isn't.


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: Jai Sharma on 11 January, 2013, 10:57:35 PM
Initially, they used a library photo of the competition car. Only later did the Coys website move to pictures of the car which they are auctioning. I think the ad you link to had the old photo.


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: bruciebonuz on 13 January, 2013, 10:19:20 AM
Did the Fanalone sell? 


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: Jai Sharma on 13 January, 2013, 02:27:46 PM
I think the auction is today?


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: peterbaker on 13 January, 2013, 02:52:36 PM
It was 15.00hrs. yesterday but no results that I can find.


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: bruciebonuz on 15 January, 2013, 02:33:01 PM
Looks like it sold for a very respectable £35,600

http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/classic-car-auctions/mercury%E2%80%99s-rolls-smashes-pre-sale-estimate-at-coys?utm_source=Silverpop&utm_medium=EMAIL&utm_campaign=CLS%20email%20newsletter%2015%20January%202013%20(1)&utm_content=header_article_1


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: ncundy on 15 January, 2013, 05:24:30 PM
Respectable but the T&C's  :o  :

buyer paid 15% + VAT on top so about another £6k (~ £41k total) still perhaps a bit lower than mainland Europe price, and the seller paid 10% + VAT (~£4k). Coys pocketed £10k before expenses. Wonder if it stayed in the UK?


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: bruciebonuz on 27 January, 2013, 07:32:32 PM
Looks like someone spotted it heading to its new home

http://www.flickr.com/photos/billkatygemma/8410067934/


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: angelorange on 31 January, 2013, 08:40:49 PM
The Competition car shown on advert is actually of Peter de Wit's rally car taken in Haarlem Holland.

It has Gp4 arches whereas auction car had std/gp3



Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: Jay on 08 February, 2013, 09:56:12 PM

Another sold yesterday for for Ä51,750 inc. premium

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20924/lot/512/?page_anchor=r1%3D358%26m1%3D1


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: Jay on 08 February, 2013, 10:12:43 PM
More results from Bonhams

1929 Lancia Lambda Tourer
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20924/lot/529/?page_anchor=r1%3D358%26m1%3D1

1965 Flaminia that didnít make the hammer
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20924/lot/591/?page_anchor=r1%3D358%26m1%3D

A lovely 1973 FIAT 238 Fourgon in Ferrari livery (I know I am the wrong forum)   
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20924/lot/541/?page_anchor=r1%3D358%26m1%3D1


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: ncundy on 09 February, 2013, 09:49:29 AM
That's not a fanalone, it's a fake.
Been discussed many times on most forums, feel sorry for the buyer  >:(


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: lancialulu on 09 February, 2013, 10:25:23 AM
Neil

Do you mean (more charitably) it is a good copy??? Do we know the reg was another car??

Tim


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: ncundy on 09 February, 2013, 10:53:11 AM
It's an S2 bodyshell for starters, a 1300 I think! About the only Fanalone part on it is the tachometer. All the drivetrain is S2 including the steering, it has 14" wheels. None of which paints Bonhams specialists in a very good light. If any of that was mentioned in the advert I might be persuaded to be charitable  and call it a replica.

It has appeared on the market several times in the last 10 years or so, first time I saw it was on Ebay in about 2004. There was plenty of discussion on Viva-Lancia at the time, subsequently it appeared at an auction in Monaco, and again a couple of years ago at an auction in France. An LMC member, can't remember who, travelled to the auction to look at another car and I'm pretty sure this car didn't sell. I do know that the auction house was made aware of this cars dubious parentage by several people from around the world.




Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: lancialulu on 09 February, 2013, 12:31:18 PM
Hi Neil

Are we talking about the Bonhams or Coys? I thought we were talking about the Bonhams.Does anyone know the history of UFS 31H ??

Tim


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: Parisien on 09 February, 2013, 12:47:33 PM
So its a sort of beefburgers........actually being horseburgers........shame that it is being mis-represented, and why has it been allowed to happen by one of the most reputable auction houses in the world?

P


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: Richard Fridd on 09 February, 2013, 01:36:09 PM
UFS 31H. I saw this car on the Longleat Rally in the late 80s? In the hands of Jeremy and Judith Hall. The car suffered damage to a front corner. It was also up for sale as an ex Jolly Club spare car at £4000? around 2000? along with an aluminium Fulvia Sport £1500 previously used on the Pirelli Marathon in 1989?. I bought my current Sport around the same time.


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: Richard Fridd on 09 February, 2013, 02:07:27 PM
UFS 31H is pictured on page 101 of Autosport 2 May 1991, and in Thoroughbred and Classic Cars November 1989.


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: ncundy on 09 February, 2013, 02:35:09 PM
Hi Tim, I'm talking about UFS. Whatever it might have been at one time it certainly isn't now.
Sticking a pair of Fanalone front wings on a hybrid S2 chassis does not a Fanalone make !
To then sell it as such and with reference to somewhat dubious works heritage is wrong in my eyes.


Title: Re: Fulvia Fanalone
Post by: Neil on 09 February, 2013, 05:09:30 PM
This car was in the Acturial auction at Retromobile 2011 (Paris), I looked it at and was obviously not a Fanalone, despite having the front end fitted to a S2 car, but it was being passed off as one, not sure it sold, I suspect not.