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Model Technical and Interest => Aprilia, Ardennes and Ardea => Topic started by: St Volumex on 07 June, 2012, 02:58:54 PM



Title: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles Poll
Post by: St Volumex on 07 June, 2012, 02:58:54 PM
Handles without the splined shaft could be supplied ready for fitment of the (old) shaft by yourself.

I understand that reasonable cost is a big consideration, and could influence your choice in the poll, but we have to start somewhere!  ::)

Assume that reasonable cost will be a given!  ;D

Thanks & regards,


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: simonandjuliet on 07 June, 2012, 04:26:53 PM
Hi
I have voted !

I have said SS with splines because I think these will be strong, durable and look good
Second choice would be bronze, chromed with splines - most like original but I suspect the most expensive and once chromed could not be fettled ! That is to say that you could not ease the collar/circlip arrangement if required. The ss or alu  options lend themselves to a certain amount of fitting
Third choice would be alu with splines

I think retrofitting splines could be a real pain !


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: St Volumex on 08 June, 2012, 07:07:51 AM
Simon, are you trying to influence the voters?  ;)  ;D


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: davidwheeler on 09 June, 2012, 10:39:11 AM
Difficult, the originals were chromed not aluminium so I suppose the best option would be finished and chromed with optional splines for them as has them and new splines for them as has not.  Finished aluminium would be the next best option and I suspect significantly cheaper than plated bronze (?).  Fitting the splines to bronze is easy (solder) and in aluminium I would use Araldite.  I fitted my round splines into square holes in substitute door handles with plastic steel.  So far, so good.
Just to confuse matters!

Window winders have integral splines of course and I guess aluminium would be OK if that is good enough for Gussies.


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: St Volumex on 09 June, 2012, 10:44:32 AM
Thank you David W for those valuable insights.

I have several strong opinions on the subject too, but am going to 'sit on the fence' until the poll has closed. (I don't know if my derriere can stand the wait though.)  ;D


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: St Volumex on 12 June, 2012, 05:20:16 PM
Please get anyone you know who has an Aprilia and needs door handles to take part in this poll.

If they are not on the LMC Forum then get them to send me an email please.

Thanks,


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: MichaelElsom on 25 June, 2012, 07:52:21 PM
Although I haven't contributed so far, when I can do some counting I will be interested. Preference is for a finished item which will go straight on - and in the lightest material excluding aluminium.


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: St Volumex on 26 June, 2012, 02:43:00 PM
Thank you Michael!


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: St Volumex on 27 June, 2012, 07:40:51 PM
I think the poll has revealed as much as we can expect for the moment, so let's move right along:

I'm a purist when it comes to authenticity, but also a realist that sees room for improvement, or we wouldn't be making new door handles in the first place!

I've spoken to my foundrymen over the past weeks, and while it is possible to make the handles in stainless steel, they would be more expensive as that would require a different furnace process.

With reasonable pricing in mind, my first vote would be for an original-style bronze handle, finished and chrome plated, yet better that the original, with the option of ordering it with, or without a new splined shaft.

Second choice is as above, but made in stainless steel.

I hope to report back next week with ballpark pricing on both these options which should narrow our choices down a bit more.

Regards,


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: St Volumex on 05 August, 2012, 05:56:59 PM
I often say about Lancia restoration; "If this were simple, every Tom, Dick, & Harry would be doing it!"

Things have slipped a bit (interrupted by a mini-holiday, long weekend in the Magaliesberg), but more seriously, the foundry I will be using for this and other projects has not quoted yet on firm pricing.   :(

However, although I'm an oldish Engineer, I learned a great deal about the niceties of mould making, casting, and in particular the dangers of running an induction furnace which one needs to cast stainless steel.  :o

Three most interesting facts emerged:

1. That we should cast the handle WITHOUT the splined shaft, because of interaction between it and the molten metal, and the complications it would introduce when making a modest quantity of about 24 handles (the optimium quantity for economy) at a time. (The splined shaft would be epoxied in afterward, giving a much stronger bond.)

2. That some foundries can make a good steel handle cheaper than the cost of a bronze one plus chrome plating - the plating adding another complication to production.

3. That a stainless steel handle would be only marginally more expensive that an 'ordinary' steel one.

So I've modified the poll, which in essence asks, "If you could choose between a bronze handle and a stainless steel one for the same price, which one would it be?"


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: simonandjuliet on 09 August, 2012, 01:17:58 PM
Would the splines be supplied ? Would you glue them or would that be down to us ? Would the backplates and circlips be supplied/fitted ? So many questions .......

Will vote once I know
Many thanks
S


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: St Volumex on 10 August, 2012, 04:25:33 AM
Would the splines be supplied ? Would you glue them or would that be down to us ? Would the backplates and circlips be supplied/fitted ? So many questions .......

Will vote once I know
Many thanks
S


Thanks for that Simon, I was beginning to think the project was dead in the water...  :(

At this stage I would not be supplying or fitting the splines, backplates, and circlips as I imagine most Aprilia owners would already have them?

But as always, if there is sufficient interest and economies of scale, then that is another story....

Please submit any other questions you may have.

Many thanks,


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: simonandjuliet on 11 August, 2012, 01:40:35 PM
Thanks
Back to earlier comments, I am most tempted by the stainless handles because they can be fettled without affecting the finish - ie if the circlip groove needs to be modified (for rechromed backplates etc).

Final questions - would they be polished ? Would they be drilled/cast with the spline hole in place ?

Still very interested in 4 at 70 each especially if polished !


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: St Volumex on 12 August, 2012, 07:21:02 AM
Thanks
Back to earlier comments, I am most tempted by the stainless handles because they can be fettled without affecting the finish - ie if the circlip groove needs to be modified (for rechromed backplates etc).

Final questions - would they be polished ? Would they be drilled/cast with the spline hole in place ?

Still very interested in 4 at 70 each especially if polished !

Another good point Simon! They would be polished, and cast with the spline hole in place.  :)


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles
Post by: davidwheeler on 12 August, 2012, 03:11:33 PM
I'll vote for SS door handles and glue in my own splines having melted or chipped them out of the  old handles.  On the other hand, the splines are integral to the window winder handles and would need to be cast in situ.


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles Poll
Post by: St Volumex on 15 September, 2012, 08:56:22 AM
David W, see my Note 1 in the parallel thread:

http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5071.msg37281#new


Title: Re: Aprilia: Inside Door Handles Poll
Post by: St Volumex on 15 September, 2012, 09:02:16 AM
Unfortunately some of the enthusiasm and impetus about this project seems to have dissipated, and I don't even own an Aprilia!  ;D

Although I have quite a few 'bits & bobs', I am still without an inside door handle sample (my source seems to have dried up), without which I can't proceed...  :(

Any volunteers to help keep the handles turning please?