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Model Technical and Interest => Flaminia => Topic started by: Richard Fridd on 13 July, 2011, 05:34:53 PM



Title: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 13 July, 2011, 05:34:53 PM
hi all,as i have been researching flaminia info recently i have come across the 'special coupe'featured on page137 in the gold portfolio book.i was wondering if anyone can expand on the article.also in the same book on page 110 there is a different air filter pictured. is this type a production item does anybody know?replies gratefully recieved.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 28 July, 2011, 05:24:36 PM
if any one can help with this one i would be grateful.what can the reason be when a car starts with a battery then the battery fails and cant take a charge-could it be the charging system/alternator /voltage regulator need attention.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: frankxhv773t on 28 July, 2011, 06:31:30 PM
Richard, it could just be the battery. It happened to Brian's Fulvia when we set off for goodwood. It seems modern batteries can just die like that. Brian got Fay out of the garage, starting it from cold but when we stopped at the petrol station just round the corner the battery was dead.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: SanRemo78 on 28 July, 2011, 10:13:31 PM
Possibly an alternator problem - happened to me in Turin, just enough juice being generated to turn out the warning light but not enough to recharge the battery after a start. Running with lights and wipers killed the battery. We missed the trip to the Mirafiori plant and traipsed around Turin looking for a battery charger. Had a lovely day though and spent every evening after that with the battery in the hotel room on charge until we got home!
Guy


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: fay66 on 29 July, 2011, 12:29:01 AM
Possibly an alternator problem - happened to me in Turin, just enough juice being generated to turn out the warning light but not enough to recharge the battery after a start. Running with lights and wipers killed the battery. We missed the trip to the Mirafiori plant and traipsed around Turin looking for a battery charger. Had a lovely day though and spent every evening after that with the battery in the hotel room on charge until we got home!
Guy
I suspect the Flaminia has an Dynamo as does "Fay", so you find out pretty quick if it isn't charging!
To be fair my battery was about 9 years old so it didn't owe me anything, but until the moment it failed when I went to restart after filling up with petrol, it hadn't missed a beat in the previous 9 years including that morning when starting after  she had been standing for about 2 weeks in the garage, without any drama.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 29 July, 2011, 08:28:14 AM
The battery-killing Flaminia that Richard refers to is currently mine but soon to be his. The symptoms are:

Generator light not extinguishing or dimming when running
There is more than 12v output from the dynamo but not 13 or 14
The regulator appears to be functioning (though values not tested)
Car will start and run on a fresh battery and will even re-start in the same (driveway) session but will be dead next time,even if disconnected immediately after use and re-charged.
Two batteries (neither new but both serviceable and well able to crank the engine indefinitely) have lost their lives in this way
If driven along distance, everything eventually dies and the the car stops and another battery bites the dust.
Dead batteries will not take a charge

I reckon dynamo and regulator need proper testing (there is a diagram of the latter in the manual) and dynamo needs overhauling. I imagine the engine is running on the battery rather than  (or as well as) the dynamo and that is frying the battery somehow.

When I bought it the previous owner did something simple to energise/excite the dynamo by brushing negative terminals or something and this made the generator light go out. Electrics then behaved fine for a few years. I hate electrics though they are simple enough once you know what how.

Any wiring wizards out there?

Alan


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: the.cern on 29 July, 2011, 12:14:47 PM
On my Nissan (sorry) the alternator failed and killed the battery !!!!!  It (the alternator)  had been playing up, dim charge light, but other than that all seemed well, then a totally flat battery. I charged it overnight and all seemed fine when I started it the next morning, but at the next start (10 mins later) absolutely nothing !!!!

The local auto electrician took it away and rebuilt the alternator in his workshop, he had the battery on charge and drove it out onto the driveway, closed the doors and then went to start it again, nothing !!!!!!!  So a new battery and, touch wood, all fine since (20mths).
In his opinion, running the car with a slightly under-performing alternator damaged the battery terminally.

A lesson for me to remember !!

                 Andy


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 29 July, 2011, 10:15:11 PM
Thanks Andy

Your story reinforces my belief that the unreformed 50 year old dynamo is probably acting up, whether with or without the help of the regulator. So an overhaul of that would be a good place for Richard to start. I've just remembered why I didn't do it at the time this problem first started - the dynamo is located somewhere quite surprisingly low down and inaccessible and that requires the removal of another ancillary component - possibly the starter or the rad. Bit of a job anyhow and not one I was particularly minded to do as the car has been in storage and only started periodically out of curiosity  or to move it around- though that was 3 batteries and 2 years ago.

Alan


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: lancialulu on 30 July, 2011, 07:30:16 AM
My contribution to this is my Aprilia (ovs) was found unexpectedly to have a loose fan belt Thursday evening in my prep for the long round trip to the AGM. No problem, quick move of bonnet and front grill, find dynamo loose - it's eccentric thro the rad and tighens (or in this case got loose) the fan belt, so tighten all up put back together, and start up to find every thing fine charging at c30amps.

Return to car yesterday, dynamo/regulator not working. No charge whatsoever ever. I did some basic tests which told me I would need to take another car. A good reason why every Lancia's owner should have a spare.....

As the car is a 12 v conversion with (I believe) and aurelia dynamo and Lucas regulator this is a non standard repair scenario. More later.

Silver lining was the trip from Colchester to Cheltenham was pants and not the sort of journey you want to do in a pre war car...

Tim



Title: Re: flaminia 2.5
Post by: Richard Fridd on 15 August, 2011, 05:53:47 PM
i have now cleaned and painted the battery tray[which is in good condition]and will install a new battery[065 55Ah 46 pounds  + master switch 16 pounds both +VAT from BREENS maidstone]and new leads /terminals.will have to fabricate a clamp to secure the battery also then check charging circuit.so time spent so far-throttle mech 4hrs/fuel filter+plugs 2hrs/battery tray 1hr/seat runners 1hr.total cost to date 56.39[battery]to answer your question Alan regarding the contents of the glove box just the filter and a rear view mirror were present-no cash or diamonds that i could see!boot emptied and cleaned up- also i have not driven 'around the block' for a [pre arranged as uk law demands] MOT yet.breens are sourcing brake piston assemblies-2+eighth and 1+5 eighth i am told.there is a very slim chance these will not be reqd as the wheels are free so brakes not binding.whilst i am in the battery area i will remove and check the steering damper.if any one has special tools for the flaminia i would be grateful to borrow them to have some replicated for future use on my own car .[deposit paid]best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 15 August, 2011, 07:22:39 PM
I don't remember the filter at all but the extra rear view mirror came from the previous owner some time after I had bought the car. The one fitted seems to be a non-original  addition but I couldn't see how the extra one was any more original ... though it is nice and shiny. You really ought to get a digital camera to record and share your progress. You'll need to rebuild the servo and master cylinder eventually too I expect though the main braking issue seemed to me to be air in the system.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 15 August, 2011, 07:33:25 PM
hi Alan,i must get a digital camera you are quite right!i was contemplating the idea this morning.please bear with me.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 16 August, 2011, 04:16:33 PM
You do that. Perhaps you won't mind if I post the following pictures meanwhile of the removal from storage and delivery of your car from Wexford to Kent ....

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UTk3Upt6f-8/TjRSyN-a1rI/AAAAAAAABTc/Jd77ZpKGggM/s400/DSCN1365.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nw6EV-S_Gms/TjRS66RQ1gI/AAAAAAAABTg/VvUWhpeD4S4/s400/DSCN1369.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_kxB1vlMYxQ/TjRUPa0NExI/AAAAAAAABTw/NvN6ZPCVb2I/s400/DSCN1411%25255B1%25255D.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9es0V92OlyA/TjRUoAK3xiI/AAAAAAAABU8/_u1eACzzPkw/s400/DSCN1423%25255B1%25255D.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-NDgYVKnO2rg/Tkrz5Y22o5I/AAAAAAAABgQ/DoJK4-riH1A/s400/DSCN1437.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-srReuErqayo/TjRVZ7ujj3I/AAAAAAAABUI/5F7z3E_Mj6g/s400/DSCN1441%25255B1%25255D.jpg)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: HF_Dave on 16 August, 2011, 05:14:04 PM
That must be the furthest the flaminia has travelled in many years, :)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 16 August, 2011, 06:11:40 PM
i will remember that delivery trip with great fondness.the route through town was a memorable one!coffee in carlton house terrace on a saturday morning and the photo in the square-glad the tourists liked the car- fabulous.camera or camera phone next week once i have sorted future employment details!best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 19 August, 2011, 05:40:39 PM
dynamo:not charging so i have tried to remagnetise/repolarise and excite the dynamo[12v to D+ and ground D- and DF with drive belt removed]but the dynamo moved only poorly instead of the reqd.'spinning like an electric motor'.so seems like removal is reqd.advice welcome.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: thecolonel on 19 August, 2011, 09:02:59 PM
Would suggest worn brushes or possibly
field coil insulation breaking down.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 19 August, 2011, 09:33:02 PM
looks like a refurb then colonel


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: lancialulu on 20 August, 2011, 06:52:10 AM
Richard

I believe John Jenkins advertised some Flamina wheels in VL a couple of months ago.

Tim


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 20 August, 2011, 08:01:26 AM
Richard

I believe John Jenkins advertised some Flamina wheels in VL a couple of months ago.

Tim
i have collected them from John inc new 175 400 tyre [mounted on wheel] which i have put in the boot as the spare.a fortunate find!best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 20 August, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
Would suggest worn brushes or possibly
field coil insulation breaking down.
dynamo and regulator now with the local repair chaps who will see if they can fix it or if a 'new?' one is the best bet.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 21 August, 2011, 06:39:00 PM
Is there no end to your industry.... how did you get the dynamo out?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 21 August, 2011, 08:26:37 PM
hi Alan,to remove the dynamo disconnect battery ,remove the belt tensioning bolt,remove drive belt,remove water radiator securing bolts front and rear+the radiator top mount,move radiator forwards half an inch on the left side,release dynamo cradle band fastener bolt,slip dynamo forwards from cradle then label and disconnect wiring-took a morning to work out .best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: williamcorke on 22 August, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
Flam 823 engine just popped-up on ebay for £100 (starting bid).  No connection to seller... 

Spare for your 'new' car, Richard?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-V6-all-alloy-Engine-/260836969111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cbb184a97 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-V6-all-alloy-Engine-/260836969111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cbb184a97)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 22 August, 2011, 02:08:52 PM
Flam 823 engine just popped-up on ebay for £100 (starting bid).  No connection to seller... 

Spare for your 'new' car, Richard?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-V6-all-alloy-Engine-/260836969111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cbb184a97 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-V6-all-alloy-Engine-/260836969111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cbb184a97)
thank you William,can you tell what size it is?best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: williamcorke on 22 August, 2011, 04:14:14 PM
Flam 823 engine just popped-up on ebay for £100 (starting bid).  No connection to seller... 

Spare for your 'new' car, Richard?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-V6-all-alloy-Engine-/260836969111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cbb184a97 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-V6-all-alloy-Engine-/260836969111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cbb184a97)
thank you William,can you tell what size it is?best regards richard

Assuming the seller has written the numbers down correctly (quite possible he's not, given there are too many numbers in 82300 2145545), we can deduce that 823.00 came into the world in a left hand drive 2.5l Farina coupe of which about 3,000 were produced.
http://www.circolodellalancia.it/commenti-tecnici/flaminia/59-dati-di-produzione-di-tutte-le-flaminia.html (http://www.circolodellalancia.it/commenti-tecnici/flaminia/59-dati-di-produzione-di-tutte-le-flaminia.html)



Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 22 August, 2011, 05:40:01 PM
thanks William,whats the value of the engine anyone?also this model in RHD guise seems to have been made in quite low numbers.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 22 August, 2011, 06:02:34 PM
also [apologies for the repetition]its a shame these things are not often in VL etc


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: williamcorke on 23 August, 2011, 12:55:33 AM
No idea what it's worth.  If it was an Aurelia engine (same, only older and not quite as well engineered) it would be 10 times that starting price for sure.  Worth more if it's not frozen, I'd say.  I bought a frozen touring 2.5 Flaminia engine for £500 about 5 years ago; probably paid too much...

If you wanted to buy a second-hand Flaminia starter motor from Italy it would probably cost 150 Euros minimum.  So there's some value in the engine / oil cooler / starter seen in the ad.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: chriswgawne on 23 August, 2011, 06:36:06 AM
I have a lovely Flaminia camshaft in excellent condition available for sale. Not sure what it is worth - make me an offer!
Chris


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 23 August, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
Richard

The various chassis and engine series identification numbers for different types of Flaminia are listed at the front of the Tavola book I gave you (and possibly also the workshop manual).

The grey mashed up car I showed in the earlier for sale thread had a non-siezed 2.8 engine with carbs present. I can't remember what I gave for the transaxle which you now have but I always regretted not offering more for the engine. I believe it went to Portugal and to someone who not only knew its value but was also prepared to offer and pay accordingly.

What news on the light restoration front today? Once you have the charging system sorted you can charge on to the braking system I suppose?

Alan


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 23 August, 2011, 06:26:15 PM
hi Alan,i telephoned the electrical fellows today who said they will call back later-too busy to have looked at it at that point[they said its more time consuming to test than some things that they handle as they have to connect the dynamo to the regulator with 3 wires!?!will visit them tomorrow.i have spent today putting the spares into storage until reqd.unfortunately the key broke off in the bootlock this afternoon so i have silversoldered it back together and filed it to shape.it wont work in the boot but just about operates the ignition switch which i dismantled to establish knowledge of its inner workings.anyhow if a spare key is not available i will need to get a blank[white key similar profile to a fulvia s1 etc-cant remember if these are available though!]alternatively a new set of barrels/keys all round.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: williamcorke on 23 August, 2011, 10:17:32 PM
I've got some Flam Farina keys and locks that were matched by keys galore a few years ago for a car now departed.  Let me know if you need them.  Definitely have the boot lock with a working key in the barrel!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 24 August, 2011, 06:24:12 AM
I've got some Flam Farina keys and locks that were matched by keys galore a few years ago for a car now departed.  Let me know if you need them.  Definitely have the boot lock with a working key in the barrel!
thanks William i will give you a ring.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 24 August, 2011, 07:11:18 AM
Flam 823 engine just popped-up on ebay for £100 (starting bid).  No connection to seller... 

Spare for your 'new' car, Richard?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-V6-all-alloy-Engine-/260836969111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cbb184a97 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-V6-all-alloy-Engine-/260836969111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cbb184a97)
thank you William,can you tell what size it is?best regards richard
sold at 485 pounds!should be useful-does anyone know of its destiny?richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 24 August, 2011, 10:53:33 AM
I've got some Flam Farina keys and locks that were matched by keys galore a few years ago for a car now departed.  Let me know if you need them.  Definitely have the boot lock with a working key in the barrel!
i am now familiar with the inner secrets of the boot lock/catch in addition to the ignition switch!both now stripped/cleaned/lubed and refitted to car and the remains of the repaired key working[but rather frail looking] in both by some miracle-i dont want to add more solder incase that makes matters worse and the key wont work once again.[door and glove box not working though].also passenger door handle has no external means of being locked-anyone know why?i was reluctant to lock the boot with the key in a poor state but will do so now as in the course of removal  discovered a method of activating the mechanism from outside the car with no special tools.if had not found out about this i was thinking about installing a cabin accessible means of release [cable to latch type]for emergencies,and still may do so for the bonnet release mechanism whic is rather more complex than a fulvia.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 24 August, 2011, 11:57:26 AM
also to answer the question of the next jobs on the list.once electrics are working brakes will indeed be next job.also i will get the car to the garage across the road and onto their lift to draw up a list of underside jobs which are not apparent at present.looking at the roof more closely it seems what looks like filler is actually 1mm thick filler/paint which has  not adhered properly so i am looking forward to paint strip and hope the roof is in good enough condition to apply the paint left over from my fulvia sedan.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 05 September, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
new ignition switch /keys and glovebox/bootlid locks with matching keys now fitted[thanks William].i have now found that the blank which was unsuitable for my fulvia fits my original flaminia ignition switch now that it is cut to match the broken one so if anyone needs a secondhand[correct item with chrome locking ringnut in perfect working order] flaminia ignition switch with key please let me know.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 07 September, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
Steady progress. Onwards and upwards. Maybe all that car needed was a new owner. Are you aiming to drive it to Gaydon then?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 07 September, 2011, 12:52:16 PM
Steady progress. Onwards and upwards. Maybe all that car needed was a new owner. Are you aiming to drive it to Gaydon then?
if it is road worthy [which means fitting in a few hundred hours of work] then i see no reason why not, but not sure how my new work situation is going to progress.anyhow should get the replacement regulator soon so will proceed from there .can anyone tell me what the gaydon day will comprise-is it more than just the AGM.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: ColinMarr on 07 September, 2011, 04:46:58 PM
What's all this about Gaydon and AGM? Have I missed something?

Lovely stuff about the Flaminia though! Keep it up.

Colin


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 09 September, 2011, 12:07:32 PM
Yes the re-run of the AGM is to be held in Gaydon on 9 October as per flyer in September Viva Lancia received today.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: ColinMarr on 09 September, 2011, 01:11:32 PM
Alan,

Thanks. I have just received my copy of VL! and I see it too. But it's not so much a re-run, more a rubber stamping operation. I had hoped that this might have been a bit more than that, with an opportunity for members who didn't (or couldn't) attend the event in July to join in some discussion of club affairs, and make something social of it at the same time - seems not.

Colin


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 09 September, 2011, 01:40:45 PM
I am loath to be the one to start a new AGM thread so I hope Richard won't mind us chatting in his Flaminia workshop for now - in reality it is more of a canopy than a workshop but it should provide the necessary "cover".

A few of us were thinking of making the trip (by Lancia) from Dublin on the basis that there would be something to see at Gaydon but I am realising now that it is not another "AGM and National Rally" but rather a necessary procedural formality on the AGM side.

So we may save our lancia road trip for the NEC in November instead when there will be more to see ... or we may yet do both as there is always Lancia business to be done with cars and parts for sale to be looked at, collected and so on. Isn't that right Richard?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 09 September, 2011, 03:06:50 PM
More buying than selling just lately!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 09 September, 2011, 05:38:26 PM
on the subject of buying next up is a voltage regulator @ 47 pounds +VAT


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 09 September, 2011, 07:12:20 PM
I have a lovely Flaminia camshaft in excellent condition available for sale. Not sure what it is worth - make me an offer!
Chris
hi Chris,i am not in need of a camshaft to my knowledge[touch wood!]and my restoration funds are allocated to various little[and probably larger jobs]but if you find yourself in need of any fulvia spares please let me know and perhaps we can swap something.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 13 September, 2011, 04:45:41 PM
thanks David for the pic reducing site .unsuccessful at present but i have gained imesh and a 'pc running too slow c/w an invitation to have the problem fixed!blackberry camera is handy though.but no more time to investigate the pc today as i have been testing my new ign.switch before sending the original to someone else locally who needs one.it seemed to work with the exception of operating the starter.so put the original back on and no joy with that either.joining the common and starter wires operates the starter- but not with the key in the 180 position only in the 90 degree position.i have tested both with a continuity meter and both work properly, so i think the problem is the wiring which is temporarily disconected from the dynamo/regulator.will try once that is reconnected.on stripping/checking the old and new switches it was apparent the original is very well made so i might keep that one installed.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 13 September, 2011, 05:04:30 PM
FAIL  (but does this mean you now own a camera? What next - e-mail?)

A quick tutorial on posting pictures from my own experience:

You can display a picture in a forum post in 2 main ways:

(1) by sending ("uploading") the picture file to this forum . This is permanent but the file size is quite limited:  use the "additional options" link below the editing window to identify the location of the file on your computer to be uploaded. You may have to re-size the photo first - this is not just physical cropping but rather reducing its density or resolution. This service is free on-line - look up "photo re-sizer" in Google - I use this one and it saves the reduced file in the same place as the original on your computer but with a different name. http://www.picresize.com/ (http://www.picresize.com/)

(2) by placing the picture file elsewhere on the internet and then creating a link to it which causes it to display here. This is only as permanent as the location of the image itself but it is not subject to file size limitations and you can also decide the size of its appearance here: use the "insert image" icon above the editing window to create the code "{img}ADDRESS{/img}" that finds and displays the image from whatever "ADDRESS" you insert. Typically you can use somewhere like Flikr or Photobox or Picasa (linked to Google) as a place on the internet to house and share your digital photos and, for each of your pictures, these places provide you with a link (i.e. the ADDRESS) that you then insert into the code above.

I will expect you to be posting in 3D technicolour by bedtime.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 13 September, 2011, 05:15:34 PM
FAIL
will try again once i get some help as i could have processed a film in the time i have spent on posting a digi pic -although i was almost there this morning albeit with a none reduced picture.i think 50 year old technology suits me better


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 15 September, 2011, 05:46:15 PM
thanks Alan for the info in the edited post.as it happens e mail has got there first!  richardfridd1@hotmail.com .meanwhile back in the real world of nuts,bolts and dirty hands i have now fitted the new front bumper which looks rather smart with matching overiders.strangely the RH overider had previously been fitted [longterm looking at the marks/difference in wear to plating] on the left and the LH on the right. i assume this is not correct as this meant them pointing outwards rather than straight ahead as they are now.also all brackets were different and overider fasteners different[one with stud/one with thread to accept bolt]so i have had an enjoyable day painting brackets and parts obscured by the old bumper[which is now surplus to requirements if anyone is desperate!] and fitting new nuts and bolts left over from my fulvia spare stock.also a new voltage regulator arrived at the electricians workshop but was deemed to be faulty so another one is on its way i am told.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 20 September, 2011, 05:39:34 PM
 the regulator enquiries made by the SE auto electricians have not yet resulted in a regulator arriving whch is fit for purpose.the one which did arrive was of 'home made'appearance! and also did not function!!however a call to omicron sent me in the right direction and as it turned out SE auto happened to  have the omicron recommended  lucas equivelent regulator[25 A/12V] in stock.a test with the components working together proved a success i am told so i will refit to the car tomorrow.thanks to omicron and SE autos maidstone.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 21 September, 2011, 04:12:14 PM
dynamo now refitted with the new regulator which reqd.different wiring.the fitting/removal process has become easier with familiarity[aligning the lug on the dynamo with the hole in the cradle is essential otherwise the cradle 'strap' will not fit and drivebelt alighnment will be incorrect too].still a few hours work including solving the wiring puzzle.i still need to know where to fit the 'starter motor cut out relay'wire.i assume this relay prevents starter operation once the engine is running and charging.i am using the original ign.switch with new key as it now operates the starter as it should in the 180 degree position so i suppose the cut out relay/disconnected wiring was causing the previous  odd situation.in the course of todays work i also found wires local to the fusebox pinched between the fuse box and engine bay structure so i have sorted that as well.also the battery iscolator switch has made todays work a lot easier and safer to complete.so latest costs 61 quid including electrical testing at SE autos.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: DavidLaver on 21 September, 2011, 10:16:33 PM

Any idea how many hours so far?   Each write up is quite some list.

David


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 22 September, 2011, 06:45:55 AM
hours consumed:throttle mech.4,filter/plugs 2,batterytray 1,seat runners 1,battery/cables/switch 8,charging circuit/start engine/fuel filter bowl repair 6,remove dynamo 2,locks/keys 4,front bumper 8,refit dynamo/reg/rewire to suit 6.so around 42 hours spent thus far on some basic but worthwhile jobs!richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 22 September, 2011, 05:24:43 PM
please add 8hrs/zero costs to that!todays time was invested in removing/ stripping /repairing/refitting the parking brake handlever.the ratchet mechanism was not providing a positive action so i have built up the internal main lever face with brazing spelter which seems to have compensated for wear on the face and elsewhere.split pins now replaced along with the main lever spindle.the operation of the ratchet will be monitored for further potential wear.also i have replaced the throttle return spring with one that works as the existing one fouled the carb linkage.the top of the engine  has responded well to cleaning.black crackle rocker covers/inlet manifold etc now look rather smarter than yesterday.also replaced some corroded electrical terminals and tested the horns which seem to be working at present!richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 22 September, 2011, 05:27:21 PM
I can't see any of your pics ....


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 22 September, 2011, 05:31:57 PM
technical support chap will arrive soon i hope[but i bet he cant fix old cars!]


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 24 September, 2011, 02:37:58 PM
coolant now replaced in advance of lower ambient values and engine run briefly to circulate.i have had to refix the cold start control lever which is situated below the dashboard and have fitted a  spring on the carb end to ensure a positive return rather than rely upon the rigid cable.so i now have improved control of carburetor for starting which prevents wetting the plugs etc.also i have now insulated the bare terminals [with 'shrinksleeve'] at the distributor end of the HT leads to prevent 'crossfire'


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 25 September, 2011, 07:21:35 AM
Did you do anything about the central terminal/brush of the distributor cap? I think there was a spring missing from beneath it - I had just jammed a bit of wire in there in my efforts to get it started after 2 years ....


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 25 September, 2011, 08:45:03 PM
the wire mentioned has become a spiral of spring steel thanks to a miracle-so no further action reqd. at present!also i have stripped /repaired the windscreen wiper mechanism/checked lamp operation/direction indicators etc.rear number plate lamp fitting needs replacement but OK for now.bootlid interior lamp fitting missing so will have to find something suitable.also windscreen washer [glass] bottle treated with acid based solution which has resulted in a very new looking container for the screenwash.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 11 October, 2011, 09:08:44 AM
picture progress-dash pic now (http://)as avatar


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 11 October, 2011, 09:15:54 AM
pictures now available after many weeks of trying to discover the 'insert image' method!(http://)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 11 October, 2011, 09:29:25 AM
Oooh nice bumper. Makes it look like a different car, particularly with the overriders. What are those tubes hanging down under the dash in the other pic - I always presumed they were screen washer related but maybe your work there ended with the scarification of the washer bottle.

To "insert" pics they first have to be located somewhere else on the internet - have you saved your pictures to a photo hosting website? You can test try it with someone elses picture - just grab the address of any picture on the internet and insert it between the {img}{/img} things

But congrats on your photographic progress so far.

And have you been at the roof?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 11 October, 2011, 09:44:07 AM
those tubes are associated with the washer bottle 'vacuum' system i think.i will probably install a standard pump to actually use which could easily incorporate the heatexchanger mentioned in your fulvia thread.roof stripped to reveal no rust or dents and repainted in matt blue for now-so can add 20hours [and the rest!]to the 'total time'column and 6 quid for masking tape.tomorrow is to be spent with the car on the local garage ramp to plan for repairs underneath etc.although will have to wait for some money to appear to progress further.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: HF_Dave on 11 October, 2011, 09:57:07 AM
Well done Richard, The car is looking so much better with the bumper , It's been transformed , I noticed the different colour roof. Maybe you should paint it two tone ?  :) Thanks david.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: DavidLaver on 11 October, 2011, 12:03:08 PM

My vote is a silver blue for the top, as it looks in the pictre. Love the cream wheels and hubcaps, and those most enormous side lights below the headlights.  Are the indicators in there as well or do they flash to indicate through some highly complex mechanical relay system powered by engine vacuum?

Bumper looks lovely, the very plain looking (in the photo) plate less so.

Keep at it - am loving the regular updates.

David


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: DavidLaver on 11 October, 2011, 12:06:49 PM

Fabulous wheel and dash and that ashtray would make you want to take up smoking just to use it.  Does the ash drop into a lower compartment?  Is the top engraved? 

The steering wheel badge is a detail I'd never noticed before, likewiser the three warning lights.  Anyone know if they vary between Flaminias or have I just not been looking...

David


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 11 October, 2011, 12:58:01 PM
I think they vary - Bill James who has a lovely later and lighter blue 2.8 coupe pointed up all sorts of differences in the dash when I showed him pictures of it. Fridders' car is a 1961 2.5.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 11 October, 2011, 04:57:54 PM
the roof would look very good in silver but would have to continue along the rear 'fins' which would not be so good having seen similar in the past.a breath taking dash with serious looking and properly functioning [apart from clock]instruments and that steering wheel is a lovely design in very good condition..it will not be replaced with a nardi or similar.the three warning lamps illuminate with authority.the front 'city lights' double as direction indicators[not seperate filaments or seperate bulbs?] and i would not like to have to draw a schematic electrical diagram in my head for those but explanation welcome!the dublin  plates will be replaced in due course with ones suitable for a 50! year old car.the ashtray has brass internals and the PF logo on the lid and does feature an engraved pattern.can anyone recommend something to smoke commensurate with such a receptacle?perhaps there is room for a decanter[containing something paired with the tobacco product in the ashtray] to be stowed somewhere for when the driving day is over.so what did Bill say the dash differences were?cream wheels and hubcaps will remain.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: fay66 on 12 October, 2011, 12:15:29 AM
Well done Richard,
At the rate you're restoring cars, Chugga might have to look out ;D

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 12 October, 2011, 06:59:43 AM
hi Brian,so far not much money spent which is just as well as not much money coming in!i will be able to have a good look underneath today if the local garage is still free to help and get an idea of future spending reqd.a lottery grant would be very welcome to spend on such a lovely looking car.more pictures to come but typically my pc dosnt reconise new hardware at the moment.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 12 October, 2011, 10:07:53 AM
only small lottery win reqd !inspection has revealed work needed in the following areas-brakes generally,n/s bottom balljoint.n/srod end,n/s subframe corrosion x3,o/s sill,rear brakes binding,handbrake pads and mechanism,n/s footwell.the clutch has no 'play' which may explain the reported slipping.so not bad


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: the.cern on 12 October, 2011, 11:20:46 AM
As you say Richard, not so bad and can all be picked off, one at a time, as opportunity and finances allow.

Good luck with it and please do keep posting, it makes great reading even though  I do not have and know nothing about Flaminias.

                           Andy


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 13 October, 2011, 05:11:45 PM
one from covent garden which seems different to mine-maybe the wheel 'rings'(http://)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 13 October, 2011, 05:15:33 PM
(http://)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 13 October, 2011, 09:28:27 PM
And the rear lights make a difference too - not sure if you can retrofit those but they are available new


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Neil on 14 October, 2011, 09:22:31 AM
Richard, here is another shot of the car at Covent Garden in 2007 if that is any help.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: fay66 on 14 October, 2011, 10:49:04 AM
Richard, here is another shot of the car at Covent Garden in 2007 if that is any help.
If it's still the same owner as in the 200 Register, which I supect it is, it belongs to Martin & elizabelth Cliffe at Omicron.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 14 October, 2011, 11:41:21 AM
its now with Charles Frodsham according to C&SC JULY article.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 15 October, 2011, 05:11:42 PM
i see this car is still on the RTCC website too[with pics]


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 07 December, 2011, 11:41:30 AM
Trying to make progress with my flaminia PF which is now booked in for welding work which can start as soon as I can deliver the car along with new/spare/refurbished  brake components which are to be fitted at the same visit to the workshop.I have fitted new plugs today which have improved starting and running but I have noticed an irregular exhaust beat from the r/h pipe.when I put my hand to the end of the pipe there is a negative pressure experienced which accompanies one of the pulses in the cycle.advice welcome!best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 07 December, 2011, 11:54:04 AM

Have you been taking any pictures?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 11 February, 2012, 09:18:25 AM

Have you been taking any pictures?
no new pictures as yet but I am again wondering if there is a way of re  registering as 310 HUS which is no longer in  the DVLA record book according to my local office.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 16 February, 2012, 01:31:51 PM
Progress is on the horizon!the PF is now in the welding bay despite suffering a puncture en route due to a screw so will have to look in the stores for another s/h wheel/tyre to keep things rolling.if anyone has some good condition 165 or 175 400 tyres to replace my ageing rubber and to  go with my new spare please let me know.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: fay66 on 17 February, 2012, 12:17:28 AM

Have you been taking any pictures?
no new pictures as yet but I am again wondering if there is a way of re  registering as 310 HUS which is no longer in  the DVLA record book according to my local office.richard
Richard,
 do you have documentation to prove that 310 HUS was originally on your Flaminia, because when I tried to get Fay 224D back in 1999 the DVLA said they had no record and insisted that FAY had never be issued on a "D" Suffix, took me best part of a year to convince them even though I had her first tax disc dated 1/1/1966 and her last one finishing end december 1975, eventually it was issued but, as Non Transferable.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 17 February, 2012, 09:24:27 AM
Hi Brian,310 HUS is on my Ireland 'logbook' as the previous UK ID but DVLA don't have a record of it so presumably it  has not been transferred to another vehicle.I have been offered a 3 no/3 letter alternative reg.so how should one proceed?richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 17 February, 2012, 05:33:26 PM
If I remember correctly, does 310 HUS not appear in the original 1961 logbook for this car (it also had at one stage a personal number assigned)?

There is also a more recent letter on file from DVLA telling a previous UK owner that her request to revert to one or other of these numbers (probably the personal one - I think it was registered as 310 HUS at the time) was not possible.

Of course the apparent non-availability now of what was the former reg no for this car could point up some sort of identity transfer sculduggery along the way but I doubt it.

As far as I know, 310 HUS was its number when it was exported from the UK to Ireland and re-registered here. It is possible that the apparent unavailability of the number now has to do with the fact that the Irish registration authorities did not do what was necessary (such as notifying DVLA of the re-registration and  taking in and sending DVLA the log book) to cause the number to become available for reassignment in DVLA records.

Another possibility is that the car was in storage for so long that it was never issued with a modern registration document and that this has somehow affected its status within the more modern DVLA records system. Though there must be plenty examples of that happening to cars all oer the UK.

I would have thought it simply a matter of reactivating the former DVLA registration and record of same.

Things are much easier over here in some respects and I always planned to claim the registration PFI 961 for it if I ever got around to it.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 17 February, 2012, 06:02:08 PM
Thankyou Alan.how did your year convincing the DVLA progress Brian?what I did previously with my Vincent  500 was to take the original logbook(which a previous owner gave to me) and bike, to the local office.after much huffing and puffing the original reg was reinstated.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: fay66 on 18 February, 2012, 12:35:43 AM
Thankyou Alan.how did your year convincing the DVLA progress Brian?what I did previously with my Vincent  500 was to take the original logbook(which a previous owner gave to me) and bike, to the local office.after much huffing and puffing the original reg was reinstated.best regards richard
Wasn't as easy as that, I had to somehow find evidence to show the leicestershire office HAD issued FAY on a D Suffix, which the DVLA said wasn't possible despite me having the tax discs and photos showing the number plates on her, this turned out to be a load of BS, as I found out that it was quite common to use up any registration letters and numbers an office had left over at the end of the year, by adding the New Registration suffix.
This was difficult to prove as all the Leicestershire paper records had been destroyed after they were added onto the DVLA computer, and it appears this was quite a common practice.
Eventually I found and wrote to an organisation called the "Kithead Trust" who had managed to save all the records from Leicestershire appertaining to Buses, obviously Fays registration number didn't appear in their records, but gave me proof that FAY had indeed been issued on a "D" suffix, as could be shown in their records, they also wrote a letter for me pointing out that they were very surprised that the DVLA was unaware of this situation as it was common knowledge.
I then rang Mr Jobsworth at the DVLA and told him of my finding whereupon he said "Oh that's all right then, I was curious and didn't realise that was the case" >:( lucky for this gentleman he was at the other end of the phone line rather than being in reach of my hands!
I sent this latest evidence in and shortly received the non transferable number.
All in All it took me about a year.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 25 February, 2012, 11:10:30 AM
A letter with supporting documentation should be sent to the 'chief executive' at swansea.this apparently  advances the process by two steps according to a soon to be made redundent  aquaintance who by good fortune works within my local DVLA office.meanwhile my PF is now ready to vacate the welding/fabrication bay having received repairs to the underside including a n/s front footwell.the PF seems to be looking forward to being back on the road and is now starting instantly and driving around and about the forecourt.its new home is being prepared over the weekend for delivery on monday where all being well will move to the brake dept.at this rate the PF will be replacing my s2 sedan sooner than expected!best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 26 February, 2012, 02:04:59 AM
Sounds like good progress. Well (weld) done. Onwards and upwards. It will certainly make an unusual everyday classic. You need to update us with some pictures. What did you do about the roof?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 26 February, 2012, 08:52:49 AM
Thank you Alan,I do have pictures on my blackberry but none which are terribly interesting.that intimidating rust hole in the passenger footwell turned out to be only a minor challenge which was replaced as if by magic in the time it took me to walk up to the workshop and get changed into my overalls although some of the innocent looking smaller rust holesturned out to be more fiddly.I am indepted to my best friend  and  local welding hero once again for the five days spent in the pit!one detail I have yet to reinstate is the lockwiring to secure the subframe bolts.as for the roof what looked like a lot of work disappeared once the roof was stripped to bare metal.for the time being it is painted with primer and lancia blue with a matt finish.the lovely original welds are just visible through the paint as no filler has been used.next jobs-refurb parking brake pad carriers and fit the best of my stock of 175 tyres.also  wheel stud reqd from the stores as one is partially stripped despite the use of brass wheelnuts.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 01 March, 2012, 07:37:09 PM
And so to brakes.does anyone have experience of 'past parts'who are mentioned on page 288 of C+SC april edition and claim to be the only firm in this part of the world with the necessary expertise( coming from australia where  'resleeving is the norm')couldn't make out if the sleeve /casing leaking reference was a warranty claim or referred to the item  which was in for repair


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: B20B24 on 01 March, 2012, 07:57:22 PM
Yes Richard I do. I used them for a brake master cylinder rebuild on a Bonaldi for an early Maserati Indy - good service and not too dear. However, shortly after fitment of the recon part the car developed a one off (thankfully) foot to the floor brake failure. This may be unrelated to the master cylinder, and investigation continues....


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Charles on 02 March, 2012, 10:14:56 AM
Hi Richard, you might be interested in my experience with the brakes in my Flaminia. The servo had been overhauled by Omicron shortly before I bought the car but I was never that happy with the way the car stopped.  After discussing with other owners, a story of the unreliability of the Flaminia servo emerged.  In particular, David Wakefield told me that he had experienced repeated problems until he finally upgraded to a modern servo.  I decided to follow his example.  There are not that many dual circuit remote servos being made today but Frenos Iruna in Spain do one (available from S-V-C in UK) for about £300 which is less than half the cost of getting the original overhauled. I made up a couple of mounting brackets that used the original mounting points and installed the new unit with no trouble - see picture - except that I had to fit a hydraulic brake light switch as the new unit (unlike the original) does not incorporate one.  Result - the car now stops like a modern car and the performance can be exploited with no worries about stopping.  More important, the unit has been totally reliable.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 08 March, 2012, 04:49:28 PM
A lovely looking servo!what's not so lovely is the condition of my PF's front roll bar centremost bushes so will add those to the  list of jobs for the MOT inspector


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 11 March, 2012, 04:16:05 PM
A warm day here in kent which prompted me to strip and inspect the pair of  front suspension units which came with the PF as spares.all components were found to be in good condition so presumably low milage with coil springs of equal heght and appearance and thankfully every thing coming apart very easily.also I did notice some jaw marks on the track rods-could these be the fabled hardness test marks?best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 15 March, 2012, 07:21:16 PM
The spare suspension units have yielded a replacement track rod + ends   which are now installed on the PF.the ball joints needed some grease and one brake piston assembly is now off  to remove the seized nipple and free the piston.replacement may be reqd.the nipple is sufficiently hard  to resist HSS and S/S bits and brittle.In the course of this work I was wondering the best method for balljoint replacement.advice welcome incase this needs to be done in the future.best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 03 April, 2012, 06:16:54 PM
The stubborn nipple has been removed.the visible part had become harder than my bits including s/s bit but once half way down as soft as would be expected.  anyhow the assembly is past its best with pitted bore etc.so before investing in new dunlop piston assemblies all round has anyone found suitable alternatives as suggested by our local custom  enthusiast who is helping progress with his invalueable  experience of the motortrade spread over 50+ years.also the parking/emergency brake has now been made to work properly.there are 3 different types according to the manual-early mk1/late mk1 and self adjusting mk2.some  retension plates  are  handed.the clutch now has some free play which will hopefully stop the reported slipping .the PF now has s/h  175/400s  on each corner + the new spare instead of a mixture of sizes. next job radiator tank!best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 April, 2012, 07:56:10 AM
Brake cable-tried to modify last post( without success)  as I failed the mention the pully wheels on the transaxle casing.the angle of these and their respective bronze cable guides seem to be fixed at a less than ideal angle in relation to each other meaning that the cable doesn't address the wheel or the bore of the guide as I would expect and there appears to be no adjustment available.advice welcome as always.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 04 April, 2012, 07:58:24 PM
The stubborn nipple has been removed.the visible part had become harder than my bits including s/s bit but once half way down as soft as would be expected.  anyhow the assembly is past its best with pitted bore etc.

tried to modify last post( without success).advice welcome as always.richard

Yes I tried to reply too but my reply was deemed "unacceptable". I am unqualified to advise in this matter as I never got in that far myself.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 08 April, 2012, 01:04:27 PM
So does anyone know how to solve the problem of the'unacceptable'message appearing when attempting to reply or edit?in the meantime I have been unsuccessful in resoldering the leak on the 'tank'seam.advice welcome regarding the method of removing the tank to retin and resolder to the core(I don't have a spare rad so need to get it right without excess heat reaching the core.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 10 April, 2012, 06:58:40 PM
A further thought on brakes-would it be cost effective to fit drum brakes and associated parts if available  until the funds materialise to buy the dunlop piston assemblies(1300quid +)advice welcome.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: DavidLaver on 12 June, 2012, 01:49:24 PM

When I went to collect a book from Richard aside from nearly buying his Fulvia Berlina...

http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5143.0

...we also got a look at his Flamina.  He said it would be ok to share some photos. 

David


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 27 September, 2012, 03:14:30 PM
MOT now passed with no advisories


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: DavidLaver on 27 September, 2012, 04:32:03 PM

Well done.  That was a brave purchase and a lot of work but what a machine you have there...  I'm itching to see it now.

David


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 27 September, 2012, 04:58:23 PM
Thanks David. Immediately after the test I  visited the DVLA who tell me they have the original UK registration number which I can reclaim at no cost along with the zero duty road fund licence. The number was not on their system last time I asked so hopefully it will still be there when I present my paperwork which must be stamped with  the LMC Stamp. Richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: williamcorke on 27 September, 2012, 06:17:09 PM
Hearty congratulations.  I look forward to a ride in it some time.

You'll never guess what I found on Sunday - those errant NOS brake cylinders...  PM me if you still might need them (I've not checked the sizes yet, though and might keep if correct for my Flavia rather than Flam).

Cheers,
William


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: fay66 on 27 September, 2012, 07:04:39 PM
MOT now passed with no advisories

Well done Richard, great stuff!
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 28 September, 2012, 07:32:41 AM
Congratulations Fridders - you've brought that car back to life. Happy motoring!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 29 September, 2012, 04:00:31 PM
Interior


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: JohnMillham on 30 September, 2012, 07:12:05 AM
Richard, your car looks great, but I think your camera needs a service!
Regards, John  ;)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 30 September, 2012, 07:38:27 AM
Thanks John,it's a Blackberry.I did take it to the 02 shop to be cleaned,but to no avail by the looks of things.Due for a new device sooner or later.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 30 September, 2012, 12:30:42 PM
Richard, your car looks great, but I think your camera needs a service!
Regards, John  ;)

Lets rephrase that...Richard you do your fab Flaminia and all your efforts a dis-service by not putting up pucca pics....please retake with a suitable high grade camera......even if it is just to please the two of us!!!!

:)


P


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 30 September, 2012, 01:04:59 PM
Thanks for the prompts.Found the problem! There was still the plastic film protector over the Blackberry lens which has been deteriorating over the past year. The scrub it got at the O2 shop probably made things worse.Anyhow perfect pics now but the resolution has improved which is preventing posting them. Resizing reqd. Richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 30 September, 2012, 01:22:28 PM
Resized


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 30 September, 2012, 01:29:59 PM
Cheers Richard.................so very nice........:)

P


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 30 September, 2012, 04:51:03 PM
I thought the original pictures were blured because you were getting hot and steamy at the prospect of finally driving the Flaminia!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: JohnMillham on 30 September, 2012, 07:15:03 PM
Well done Richard - much better. I'm not impressed by the service department if they didn't notice the plastic!
 Regards, John


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 30 September, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
Still hot and steamy and the sevice department do what they do!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: fay66 on 01 October, 2012, 12:26:23 AM
Thanks for the prompts.Found the problem! There was still the plastic film protector over the Blackberry lens which has been deteriorating over the past year. The scrub it got at the O2 shop probably made things worse.Anyhow perfect pics now but the resolution has improved which is preventing posting them. Resizing reqd. Richard

Richard, lovely photos, so much for modern technology !
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: the.cern on 01 October, 2012, 09:42:07 AM
What a beautiful car Richard and well done for the re-vitalising.

Hope to see it sometime soon,

                       Andy


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Dilambdaman on 03 October, 2012, 11:36:52 PM
Great stuff Richard, well done! Look forward to seeing it soon.

Robin.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 October, 2012, 12:35:12 PM
Thanks for the kind comments.Paperwork approved in the local DVLA office and road fund licence issued along with original registration number.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 05 October, 2012, 08:04:23 PM
Very satisfying to see that working out. Getting the original number is a nice touch. You can go to the shops in it now I imagine.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 06 October, 2012, 02:40:53 PM
Found the actual rear original plate in the boot.Thanks for saving it Alan!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 06 October, 2012, 09:00:04 PM
I think I used it to cover the hole in the passenger footwell when I made my Mrs travel in it...


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 07 October, 2012, 08:05:50 AM
Hi Alan,did Mrs. Murphy enjoy travelling in the Flaminia? I think I should fit seatbelts before taking passengers.It seems that there are no existing mounting points though.Also I shall refurbish the rear leaf springs to restore rear ride height. At the moment I am improving the fuse box and electrical connections.Also replacing the existing copper wire in the 6 cross-drilled subframe bolts with stainless wire which is a good oppotunity to make use of the lock-wire pliers.A lovely tool.The missing wheelnuts turned up in the boot too.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Charles on 07 October, 2012, 09:27:07 AM
Richard, I would be grateful to hear of any conclusions that you come to about your rear spring refurbishment as I am currently considering a similar problem on my convertible.  I recently decided to renew the silent block bushes in my springs only to find, on the first one that removed, that the last quadrant of the eye that the front bush fits into had cracked right through allowing the spring to slide to and fro slightly as it flexes.  I suspect that this is why the car looked slightly low at the back - because the spring length is not properly restrained. I think that it has been like it for years - never failed an MOT because of it - but difficult to spot.  Elizabeth Cliffe at Omicron told me that her own car suffered the same fault some years ago.  Anyway, I think that my solution will be to replace the top leaf and I have been attempting to locate any old springs that people may have that I could "rob".  If that fails, I shall need to get new top leaves made.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 07 October, 2012, 10:10:21 AM
Hi Charles,my plan is to add a leaf (second largest) to my existing springs and see how that affects ride- height.One of my spare springs has an eye broken off so no use.I did the same to my Fulva in the Sedan thread.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 07 October, 2012, 10:20:23 AM
Or I might swap a middle leaf for a larger one.In the meantime found these in the boot.Rubber parts which I have not come across before.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: frankxhv773t on 07 October, 2012, 08:37:41 PM
Hi Richard. congratulations on a superb job.

I am not sure, but I think those bits might be to do with the inner rear CV joint. One part has a set of arms radiating from the driven shaft and the other part fits over it with sectors cut out that the arms engage in. However the cut outs are much bigger than the arms and have a rubber pad either side of the arm to cushion the force as it takes up the driving force. Perhaps someone else can confirm this.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 08 October, 2012, 07:05:27 AM
Hi Alan,did Mrs. Murphy enjoy travelling in the Flaminia? richard

No - she is at best a reluctant passenger in Lancias of any type although she always said that the Flaminia was the nicest of them (to look at). I think she only travelled in it once or twice on a very short local run to walk the dog at the beach or something.

I thought you would have cleared the boot by now! Good to hear you found the extra bronze wheelnuts I left you.

And yes, as Frank correctly says, those rubber things are from the rear driveshaft assembly - I had to dismantle it to fit the transaxle in the boot. Wonderful design and a thing of great beauty to work on - it was just a pity I had to do it in such a rush.

Did you get to the bottom of the horrible droning noise from the back end yet? Wheel bearing? That was why I had the spare rear end. Hopefully it will yield the necessary spares for you when you get around to it? Its from a 2.8 so the gearing is different ...and possibly some of the external linkages to the propshaft.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 08 October, 2012, 07:47:45 AM
Droning sound not there at presemt but I will be working on the rear end this week including those  springs if I get a chance.Changing bearings requires the use of a special tool no doubt. Poor electrical connections now soldered and fuse box cleaned up.Also now have the "city lights" / yellow driving lights working reliably.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 08 October, 2012, 11:23:07 AM
Coming out


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 08 October, 2012, 12:01:08 PM
Apart


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: the.cern on 09 October, 2012, 06:21:29 AM
That looks rather familiar Richard !! I do not know how alike Flaminia and Aurelia rear suspensions are, but there appear to be a lot of similarities from what I can see in your 2 photos.

Good luck with it, I found cutting the new interleaving was a pain and if you are going for new wheel bearings you should prepare yourself for a possible battle royal !!!

Please keep posting with lots of photos,

                                          Andy


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 09 October, 2012, 11:38:02 AM
The tired flattened leaves compared with the spares.the shackles have all been released on both springs .so quite a difference!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 09 October, 2012, 11:46:55 AM
A missing part.Is this what happened to yours Charles?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 09 October, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
Great work Fridders! No hanging about with you there - flattened springs no sooner said than out and mended! I'd try the new springs but keep the longest ones from both old ones so you have equal springing. Isn't it amazing how 50-year old cars come apart so easily when they are designed manufactured and assembled to such high standards. Apparently that spring broke when the guy I bought it from was removing the rear suspension and transaxle for me in one assembly. Anyhow the car they came from is pictured here and you can see it sits nicely ...

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MaSLEuiCMJI/TgpIhXH7qyI/AAAAAAAABIk/Y4S7Vd76ujw/s640/doodlebug%252520033.jpg)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d2J2cihBOhQ/TgpImufsXzI/AAAAAAAABIo/Q_jRrYzZb2A/s640/doodlebug%252520032.jpg)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 10 October, 2012, 06:45:14 AM
So what happened to the rest of that "ripe for restoration" car I wonder? "No sooner said than done" equals "more time than money"! Anyhow I have re assembled one spring re using the original uppermost leaf and have added an extra  middle leaf(5th from bottom).I have re used the interleaving as where possible  this is a preservation  rather than a restoration job.However I have been able to select longer than usual lengths from the surplus which I have trimmed to correct size thus removing the worn through areas.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: the.cern on 10 October, 2012, 09:38:21 AM
Good move with the interleaving Richard, it certainly moving forward !!!

                               Andy


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 10 October, 2012, 03:11:42 PM
Moving forward in particular was the rear spring shackle which attaches to the bodyshell. It became overcentre forward of its axis once the refitted spring had the tension removed (when the jack supporting the spring was lowered).The solution turned out to be a wooden block placed between the rear of the spring and the bodyshell to stop this happening again.Anyhow one side completed with a resulting 25mm increase in rear ride height.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 10 October, 2012, 09:24:31 PM
Moving forward in particular was the rear spring shackle which attaches to the bodyshell. It became overcentre forward of its axis once the refitted spring had the tension removed (when the jack supporting the spring was lowered).The solution turned out to be a wooden block placed between the rear of the spring and the bodyshell to stop this happening again.Anyhow one side completed with a resulting 25mm increase in rear ride height.

Ah yes - not an uncommon problem or solution .... http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4538.15 (http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4538.15)

(http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4538.0;attach=12996;image)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: lancialulu on 11 October, 2012, 06:58:18 AM
In danger of repeating something elsewhere, on Fulvia you MUST set the silent blocks with the spring under load (80mm top of spring to bump stop) which can only be done by putting a Falaminia transaxle or equivelent in the boot before tightening up the shackles. The design is to hold the inner of the silent block hard against the shackles and of course the outer is held by the spring. Failing to do this runs the risk of tearing the silent block on max extension of suspension.

Important to a lively Fulvia but I dont know how important to a Flaminia or indeed if the design principles were the same (I suspect they would be). However this setting for the Fulvia gets the correct ride height as well!!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 12 October, 2012, 04:13:12 PM
Both sides completed


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: fay66 on 12 October, 2012, 11:50:06 PM
Richard,
Very nice ;D

brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 17 October, 2012, 06:25:49 PM
Thank you Brian,next job leaking radiator!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: HF_Dave on 17 October, 2012, 10:04:50 PM
Keep It going Richard, I am engoying this thread.  :)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 18 October, 2012, 08:56:42 AM
A poor joint around the"tank"needs re soldering.I can only do this with the radiator laying on it's front at 45 degrees otherwise water seeps from the joint interfering with the repair.Radiator blinds are operated by a thermostatic bellows of course,which I will remove first.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 18 October, 2012, 09:00:55 AM
Soldered


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 18 October, 2012, 09:08:40 AM
The bellows


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 18 October, 2012, 09:36:12 AM
Whilst accessible, the drain valve has been coaxed into operation  with the help of some lubricant applied through the drain outlet(with the radiator inverted) and just enough leverage applied between the mechanism securing  pin and the housing rather than twisting the handle which has an inherent  degree of flex.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: DavidLaver on 18 October, 2012, 09:49:50 AM

Softly softly...

I can't wait to see it again - better yet a run out to the Lenham Cafe which is on my "seek and enjoy" list.

http://www.lenhamcafe.com/

David


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 18 October, 2012, 05:05:50 PM
Just down the road . Let me know when you are free. In fact a good spot for an occasional Kent gathering.In the meantime the car is ready for a road test now that the radiator is re-installed.One hose replaced also.Incidentally the bottom most hose clips need careful fitting as the worm drives are very close to the steering box and idler box arms.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: simonandjuliet on 18 October, 2012, 06:14:44 PM
Did you get the drain valve to work ?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 18 October, 2012, 06:42:45 PM
Drain valve working! As with my Fulvia Zagato I shall move it back and forth as part of the maintenance program to try and  keep it that way.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 18 October, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
Soldered
Richard, your solder picture is a bit disturbingly ugly - how far away were you standing when you threw the bucket of molten solder towards the rad?

Alan


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 19 October, 2012, 03:04:55 AM
A safe distance! Let us see if the repair is successful in stopping the leak.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 19 October, 2012, 05:27:00 PM
Those spare brake discs will need skimming for fitting at a later date


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 26 October, 2012, 05:49:51 PM
4 discs now sent for machining.Whilst this is being done I am checking the fuel guage as I have been putting a few gallons in here and there with only a quarter  tank showing on the guage.The sender unit has been removed and it seems to be seized.The good news is that the tank is full to within two inches from the top! So lubrication and a new cork float to be fitted


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 26 October, 2012, 05:54:48 PM
Now lubricated and refitted,ready for testing once the missing earth wire is reinstated.Guage seems to be OK as connecting to earth results in a full scale deflection.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 31 October, 2012, 11:16:26 AM
Guage now reading correctly.I am now thinking about the rear wheel bearings.Can someone tell me if these can  be removed with the axle on the car or is it a job for the bench? I have the spare axle to use as a pattern for making a suitable tool Also I need to know which oil filter is suitable.Advice welcome! Best regards richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 31 October, 2012, 11:22:46 AM
Rear brakes are the subject of a further question.I am wondering if the brake piston assemblies can be removed without complete removal of the transaxle.Is lowering it any use or is it best to take it out completely.Advice welcome once again.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 31 October, 2012, 11:28:34 AM
Last one for now.Does anyone have part number for the oil filter element or is there a "spin off" alternative.Also air filter/fuel filter/servo air cleaner.Advice welcome of course.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 31 October, 2012, 12:26:23 PM
Rear brakes are the subject of a further question.I am wondering if the brake piston assemblies can be removed without complete removal of the transaxle.Is lowering it any use or is it best to take it out completely.Advice welcome once again.richard

Richard,

There is a how to guide in VL.........want me to look it up for you and email it to you?


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 31 October, 2012, 05:31:34 PM
That would be much appreciated Frank.Many thanks for the offer. Richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 31 October, 2012, 05:36:54 PM
A locking ring on the spare axle.Tool to be made unless someone has one surplus?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: the.cern on 31 October, 2012, 08:23:31 PM
Richard, Jim has a drawing for the tool !!!  This was the little blighter that caused us so much problem on the B20.

Give me a call on 07900 266985 if you want more detail.

                                          Andy

                               


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 31 October, 2012, 08:37:53 PM
No probs.....will email to you later this evening


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 31 October, 2012, 11:15:06 PM
Oil filter element is the same as Flavia iirc so should be readily available.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 01 November, 2012, 11:15:18 AM
Thanks Andy,Frank and Alan.Am I correct in thinking , the rear bearing VL article , shows that the locking ring tool could remain stationary inboard whilst a spare road wheel is fitted "back to front" and rotated to undo the locking ring.Can anyone confirm? Anyow the answer to my question regarding the need to remove the de dion axle has been answered as not necessarily. Hopefully the spare axle has usable bearings as I understand they can cost 500 quid a pair. Just need a "how to guide" for the rear brake job mentioned earlier. Richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: JohnMillham on 01 November, 2012, 11:24:27 AM
Thanks Andy,Frank and Alan.Am I correct in thinking , the rear bearing VL article , shows that the locking ring tool could remain stationary inboard whilst a spare road wheel is fitted "back to front" and rotated to undo the locking ring.Can anyone confirm? Anyow the answer to my question regarding the need to remove the de dion axle has been answered as not necessarily. Hopefully the spare axle has usable bearings as I understand they can cost 500 quid a pair. Just need a "how to guide" for the rear brake job mentioned earlier. Richard
If the bearings are worn, they can probably be rebuilt. When I get back from the USA I can let you know of a firm which can do it for a lot less money. By the way, the reason I'm here is attached!
Regards, John


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 01 November, 2012, 11:42:24 AM
Thanks Andy,Frank and Alan.Am I correct in thinking , the rear bearing VL article , shows that the locking ring tool could remain stationary inboard whilst a spare road wheel is fitted "back to front" and rotated to undo the locking ring.Can anyone confirm? Anyow the answer to my question regarding the need to remove the de dion axle has been answered as not necessarily. Hopefully the spare axle has usable bearings as I understand they can cost 500 quid a pair. Just need a "how to guide" for the rear brake job mentioned earlier. Richard

I am sure I've seen the "setup" mentioned, somewhere.....just need to ferret it out...diagram too


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: lancialulu on 01 November, 2012, 11:42:37 AM
Thanks Andy,Frank and Alan.Am I correct in thinking , the rear bearing VL article , shows that the locking ring tool could remain stationary inboard whilst a spare road wheel is fitted "back to front" and rotated to undo the locking ring.Can anyone confirm? Anyow the answer to my question regarding the need to remove the de dion axle has been answered as not necessarily. Hopefully the spare axle has usable bearings as I understand they can cost 500 quid a pair. Just need a "how to guide" for the rear brake job mentioned earlier. Richard

is this Cavallito price for bearings. would expect them cheaper for him.?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: lancialulu on 01 November, 2012, 11:44:41 AM
A locking ring on the spare axle.Tool to be made unless someone has one surplus?
Thanks Andy,Frank and Alan.Am I correct in thinking , the rear bearing VL article , shows that the locking ring tool could remain stationary inboard whilst a spare road wheel is fitted "back to front" and rotated to undo the locking ring.Can anyone confirm? Anyow the answer to my question regarding the need to remove the de dion axle has been answered as not necessarily. Hopefully the spare axle has usable bearings as I understand they can cost 500 quid a pair. Just need a "how to guide" for the rear brake job mentioned earlier. Richard
try Brian Hilton who has LMC tools?
is this Cavallito price for bearings. would expect them cheaper for him.?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 01 November, 2012, 11:45:13 AM
These guys do the Fulvia/Flavias refurbishment of the bearings.....not sure they are the same design as the Flaminias....if so they too can be rebuilt at a fraction of the cost new. I beleive Aurelias because of their design cannot be refurbed full stop

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350579881597?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 01 November, 2012, 02:32:06 PM
Diagram. Good idea Tim but I understand there are no LMC Flaminia tools . Richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 01 November, 2012, 02:36:09 PM
Another


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 01 November, 2012, 02:38:23 PM
Can you cross reference the Flaminias bearing number with either or/both Fulvia/Flavia?


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 01 November, 2012, 02:42:06 PM
Diagram. I understand there are no LMC Flaminia tools. Richard

Theres an opportunity Richard!!! Think of the pleasure....of making your own....................but surely someone has done so already?!

:)


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 01 November, 2012, 02:51:24 PM
Fulvia/Flavia bearings are different I think


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Dave Gee on 01 November, 2012, 03:54:06 PM
Richard
Re the Fulvia and Flavia bearings, having fitted both recently, I am fairly certain that they are the same size, at least in the S2 Fulvia I am restoring and the Flavia Sport.

The oil filter no. for a Fram is CH801PL. If you struggle to find them, I bought a box of them last year and could send one up to you. A spin-off oil filter and conversion plate is available from two suppliers.

Re the rear brakes, the calipers can be removed by working partly through the access hole in the boot and from underneath. I have machined down a 17mm socket on a quarter drive. With this you can get the top bolt out through the boot.

Re the wheel bearing, I obtained a set of tools (home made by an engineer), for doing replacing the bearing. It can be done with the axle on the car. As part of the kit consists of a steel wheel with two pieces of angle iron welded to the rim to act as a foot, the weight of the car can then be placed on this structure, allowing you to undo the locking ring. Unfortunately the person who made the tooling and had experience using it, died a couple of years ago and I have yet to use it myself.
The only new wheel bearings available at present are being manufactured in the USA, and being sold by a person in Holland.....and you are right about the price £500 a pair. I haven't bought any and don't intend to. There has to be another source somewhere. I am actively looking at present and will let you know if I have any success.

Hope this all helps.

Best wishes

Dave


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 01 November, 2012, 04:01:52 PM
David, are the Flaminia and Aurelia bearing designs the same( but not the same bearing indeed)...ie seemingly one off designs not fitted to other cars anywhere? Isn't there an SKF reference/cross referencing of older bearings with newer bearing out there........will post up if I can find


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 01 November, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
Thanks Dave,yes those bearings pictured fit s1 and s2.I have found an oil filter element at Breens Maidstone for less than a fiver.Still need an air filter though.Thanks for the rear brake info.also your bearing tool kit sounds very useful.richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 01 November, 2012, 04:49:34 PM
I have now found the inspection hatch in the boot floor. Thanks again Dave.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: fay66 on 01 November, 2012, 05:10:12 PM
Diagram. Good idea Tim but I understand there are no LMC Flaminia tools . Richard
Richard,
that's correct, I've already had a look through the tools for Andy (The Cern) to see if there was anything like for his Aurelia, unfortunately there wasn't.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Charles on 01 November, 2012, 06:23:01 PM
I bought a couple of rear wheel bearings from Classic Lancia in Holland. Not cheap,But their stuff is always best quality and cheaper than the only other supplier that I could find (in Italy).  Also, after some investigation it appeared that it might be a cheaper option than having mine rebuilt.  The picture shows one with a Gamma front bearing alongside.  The Gamma uses a pretty large bearing - around about the same size as the Flava etc. - but the Flaminia bearing dwarfs it as you can see. 


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: ColinMarr on 01 November, 2012, 06:30:59 PM
I would expect the large rear wheel bearings for Flaminia to be similar if not the same as for Aurelia - they are much bigger than for Flavia or Fulvia. The problem of finding replacements for these was a subject in September, under "A B20 Story", when I made the post below. I am sure there must still be bearing rebuild specialists out there somewhere. Perhaps commercial vehicle parts machinists/ suppliers?

Colin

Re: A B20 Story

Just over 20 years ago when I needed such a bearing they were completely unobtainable as new items from all the usual stockists. I was lucky and was able to buy a new/unused RIV one (from Tim Burrett I think). The alternative then was to have an old bearing rebuilt with freshly ground grooves and larger balls. My local bearing supplier (sadly now closed down) could have had this done for about the same price as the unobtainable new one. This might still be an option if you can find a good old fashioned supplier.

Colin


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 01 November, 2012, 08:37:57 PM
As per Richards request.....


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 01 November, 2012, 08:42:27 PM
Tried to upload SKF bearing list but too big, plus my resizer won't accommodate a PDF file...anyone help?


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 01 November, 2012, 08:47:48 PM
This is Brian Longs, from Australia, VL Aurelia article...am sure its equally applicable.....with thanks to Brian!


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 01 November, 2012, 10:04:08 PM
Richard you seem to have hit a nerve there with your bearing challenge! Any mere mortals I spoke to about bearing replacement suggested it was a challenging job. If I were you I would consider perhaps swopping out as much of the suspension and drivetrain as necessary to replace the bearing and hub on the car with those from the spare rear end I gave you - that is why I drove all the way to Scotland for it and then sold it to you with the car. This would seem to be an ideal opportunity to refurb the rear brakes too since you can have the whole spare rig overhauled and ready to go in without having the car hors de combat for weeks (and possibly months if you get into difficulty en route). Having said that, the cause of a "bearing" noise on a '04 Golf I worked on last weekend turned out to be just a stuck rear brake caliper - not locked on but yet not quite fully disengaging the pads from the discs.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 01 November, 2012, 10:09:05 PM
Indeed Alan.....a proper diagnosis is required before embarking on un-necessary expenditure.

I had a similar issue, turned out the actual wheel bearing housing/sleeve had failed...still had to replace bearing though as it was integral to the whole hub!


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 02 November, 2012, 11:39:33 AM
I should put a few miles on before anything else. Seatbelts to be fitted also.In the correspondance which came with the car there is mention of mounting points "in the upper rear panel". I can't see any ! Advice welcome once again. Richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 02 November, 2012, 04:10:14 PM

hi John,thanks for the offer of the rebuild company details. I assume the Kurtis is an oval racer. richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 10 November, 2012, 02:07:32 PM
Discs now machined


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 10 November, 2012, 02:37:22 PM
Lovely. You would think they might clean up the other surfaces too while they were at it!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 10 November, 2012, 03:58:28 PM
As there was no charge from the machine shop I will be happy to clean the other surfaces myself. I understand the discs had developed particularly hard surfaces being cast iron. richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: JohnMillham on 10 November, 2012, 04:39:48 PM

hi John,thanks for the offer of the rebuild company details. I assume the Kurtis is an oval racer. richard

Yes - and it's now on its way to the U.K.
4.7 litre V8 and weighing about 1400 pounds - it should go like the clappers!

 In 2006, the bearing rebuilding firm made an excellent job of the complicated bearing which holds the Lambda pinion in place. They are:- 

H B Precision Engineers Ltd., Riverside Works, Honley, Holmfirth, Huddersfield, HD9 6PQ

Tel:- 01484 665 116, E-mail:- sales@hb-bearings.com

Website:- www.hb-bearings.com 

Regards, John


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 13 November, 2012, 04:36:19 PM
Thanks John. Back to the question of seat belts,there were no mounting points so some have been made and belts fitted


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 31 January, 2013, 05:35:34 PM
Front hubs reunited with discs, ready to be refitted


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 21 March, 2013, 05:52:26 PM
A few small jobs done recently. I have installed an ammeter under the dash to monitor the charging system and installed a rear fog lamp. The fog lamp is operated by a temporary switch in the cigar lighter apperture. When I find a Flaminia PF wiper switch I will use that instead (with a remote warning lamp) which should suit the dash better. Something else I might change is the fuel filter. In it's place I woulld like to try a combined filter/pressure regulator(with glass bowl) as fitted to some other Flaminia models along with an electric fuel pump for primig. One other thing I have done is route the engine breather pipes to a catch tank rather than into the airfilter housing.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 06 April, 2013, 07:15:18 AM
I have now found a switch from my jumble of spares. By good fortune the knob of the now spare lighter has the same thread. So will need to install a fog lamp warning lamp somewhere next.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 06 April, 2013, 07:20:53 AM
Richard, I must go back to the start of your 14 page thread and work through it....:)


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 14 April, 2013, 12:44:55 PM
I would like to replace the rear discs soon, with the pair which I have had machined. Can anyone tell me if this job can be done with the tranaxle in situ? Best Regards Rchard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 02 May, 2013, 06:42:17 PM
Existing rear discs still in service, but new brake pipes fitted at rear, and brake piston assemblies stripped, cleaned and refitted


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: lancialulu on 02 May, 2013, 07:59:38 PM
Have you left some fingers behind?? :D


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 02 May, 2013, 08:00:51 PM
Very funny......just noticed that......:)


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: LanciAlan on 02 May, 2013, 10:04:00 PM
Nice work Fridders. Looking forward to meeting your car in the flesh again sometime. Are you ready to come to an Irish rally yet?

http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6046.0 (http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6046.0)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 03 May, 2013, 06:16:56 AM
Thanks for the invite, but will probably only be able to  go to local Brands Hatch and the Pininfarina event for now. Hopefully those fingers are still attached to their owner!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Charles on 04 June, 2013, 01:40:15 PM
Hi Richard, when we met on Saturday you asked me to post some pics of my convertible.  I took it out today for its first long drive since I fitted the electronic ignition and it was a delight.  The engine now pulls much more smoothly from low revs making the car feel easier to drive.  Also when hot the slight tendency to uneven running at low speed is gone.  Anyway here are the pics -


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Charles on 04 June, 2013, 01:44:44 PM
And just a couple more, the first shows the Frenos Iruna brake servo - which is excellent.  Also you can see how the distributor hides under the air box making point adjustment a real pain, which was my main reason for going to the electronic ignition. 


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: the.cern on 04 June, 2013, 02:16:32 PM
Charles, that looks absolutely wonderful, I am not surprised you are enjoying it so much.

I will definitely consider electronic ignition on the B20, but it must be reversible !!  I had a Pirhana system on a Volvo a few decades ago and it was excellent.

                           Andy
                       


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 June, 2013, 05:41:16 PM
Lovely Charles, glad it's going well! My PF smoothed out once I adjusted the idle mixture. The idle circuit has influence up to 3000 rpm it seems. Also have fitted a Facet fuel pump today, and will fit a fuel pressure regulator later this week.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 13 August, 2013, 07:07:34 PM
Not a Malpassi, but donated by a friend. Richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 15 August, 2013, 05:01:16 PM
PF Insurance time once again, how does 120 quid sound?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 15 August, 2013, 06:16:48 PM
PF Insurance time once again, how does 120 quid sound?

............in a word...............robbed....;)


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 15 August, 2013, 06:46:20 PM
Not due to be 'robbed' until the day after tomorrow, so what is the 'going rate'? 80 nicker? 5K car few hundred miles a year? May increase 'agreed value'? Garaged etc? Richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 15 August, 2013, 09:12:11 PM
My Alfa coupe , 3k miles, value £8K, with breakdown £83


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: fay66 on 16 August, 2013, 12:38:12 AM
Hagerty's with 2000 miles £87, includes breakdown & Recovery,  90 days European Cover also including breakdown and recovery; because of the Knights Rally I've upped mine to 5000 miles this year, the maximum mileage per annum they will cover, which bumps it up to £132.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 16 August, 2013, 03:13:08 PM
Quote now revised  to 90 something pounds (CN)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 03 September, 2013, 07:01:31 PM
Insurance and fuel delivery now sorted, so the next job should be tyres. With the existing 175 400s not readily available, 165 400s perhaps. A terrific sound accompanied the last knockings of this one, and I suspect awoke sleepy Hadlow whilst en route to Honnington Italian Day


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 03 September, 2013, 08:25:33 PM
No photo on that post Richard...least not for me, reload?


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: DavidLaver on 03 September, 2013, 08:28:22 PM

I get the photo.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 03 September, 2013, 08:39:09 PM
No photo on that post Richard...least not for me, reload?


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Can see it now...just how old is/was that tyre Richard??!!


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 September, 2013, 09:41:57 AM
Out of warranty I suppose. Also, I found some stainless steel wipers amongst the jumble at Honnington


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 September, 2013, 10:45:13 AM
'Trico',one arm adjustable one not.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 04 September, 2013, 11:07:35 AM
Thats a hefty failing Richard, hope you weren't travelling much above 30!!!


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 September, 2013, 11:27:29 AM
Slowing from 40 approaching a 30 zone


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 05 September, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
175 400 tyres don't seem to be available, so may have find a set of 165s. I have been given one+innertube today which is now mounted.Thanks to Bob.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Charles on 06 September, 2013, 08:20:21 AM
Hi Richard. my car is fitted with 165-400s (which I thought was standard).  I had a puncture coming back from SpaItalia last year while doing about 80 on the Brussels - Dunkirk autoroute (I fitted the spare by the roadside - quite illegal but we didn't miss the ferry.)  The tyre was ruined, of course, but Longstone have them in stock and a new one quickly arrived.  My local tyre fitters told me that driving on motorways with tubed tyres is no longer recommended - because of the blowout problem. Tubeless rims are available for Flaminias from various sources but always pretty pricey.  Is it not possible to convert tubed rims by enlarging the valve hole?  Has anyone tried it?   


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Jay on 06 September, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
You’ve scared me, I regularly travel at 80 / 90 mph along long stretches of motorways. I did think of converting but unless all 5 tyres go at the same time (that would be a feat) it wouldn’t be worth it.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Sebastien on 06 September, 2013, 02:06:05 PM
Blowout problem? ???

To me this is nonsense!

Fit new tyres (new, not from some shelf, or from the back garden) regularly, when you fit new tyres change also the tubes (no skimping on a few quid!), check your pressures regularly, and you are fine.

I have never ever had a blown tyre with a tube (in the last 30 years)!
The only time a tyre burst on the motorway at speed was on my wife's car, because of too low tyre pressure - and that tyre was tubeless!

However the Flaminia Coupe is a very heavy car, and I can imagine  that a marginal (worn, old, ....) 165-400 Michelin X has difficulties to cope with all that weight.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Charles on 07 September, 2013, 07:03:47 AM
I agree, but I think that the point is that if tubed tyres do get a puncture (however unlikely), they deflate in seconds whereas tubeless tyres tend to deflate slowly (sometimes very slowly) so that the alert driver can sense the problem and pull off the road before the tyre is completely flat.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: the.cern on 08 September, 2013, 08:00:58 PM
James (Chugga), is there an official industry view on this situation? Especially use of tubed tyres at speed on motorways and also, modifying tubed tyre wheels to accept tubeless tyres.

I quite understand if you feel that it is not appropriate to comment on these matters in  an open forum such as this.

                                       Andy


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: chugga boom on 08 September, 2013, 08:49:53 PM
ALL tyre manufacturers state a 5yr life span on any tyre, if a police vehicle comes in any tyres regardless of tread depth MUST be scrapped if approaching 5yrs old, caravan insurance companies will now not insure said trailers with tyres over 5yrs old, gig problem that people don't take into concideration with tyres is RUST!!!! as the rubber cracks or is punctured water can get into the steel cables of the casing and cause rust, rusty wire breaks up hey presto blow out, rubber has also come along way in the last 10 yrs, even though a 165 400 Michelin x looks the same as always its not, the rubber compound is much softer to give better breaking and road holding, also as rubber gets old it gets hard which means less grip, I have a brand new set of 175hr14's Michelin xas's which came with my HF, these will never be used even though they are brand new to look at, rubber does not get better with age , something to make you think is that the footprint of an average modernday tyre is about the size of your palm, so when your cruising at 60 70 80 mph just think that's ALL that's keeping you on the road, my argument is a set of tyres is cheaper than the value of your car or life so hense I wont mess with them, the risks of failure far out way the benefits (if there are any) of using old or s/h tyres, I could bang on all day about old and partworn tyres but recently we have visited MIRA and done extensive testing on these sorts of tyres, im proud to say that we are in partnership with goodyear Dunlop   who always keep us very aware of these risks, at mira  it was also demonstrated the real difference between a quality brand and a budget tyre, this was also alarming!! if anyone is interested I can see if I can find the links to the mira tests and post them


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: chugga boom on 08 September, 2013, 09:18:11 PM
also to answer the question about tubed and tubless tyres, yes a tube tyre will go down quicker if puctured however a tube type tyre is smooth on the inside where as a tubless has reinforcing ribs inside, what I have seen in the past is tubless tyres tubed and this chaffs the tube causing a blow out, also there are 2 different grades of tube, cheap chinese or Michelin , Michelin seem to be twice the thickness but are also twice the price however in reality would probably last 4 times aslong as they don't chaff like cheap tubes, sorry to be an anorack  ;)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: the.cern on 10 September, 2013, 04:32:13 PM
Thanks James.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 11 September, 2013, 08:07:18 PM
MOT time again! But  'Service brake efficiency is below requirements' -two or three clicks on the rachet, holds on a slope, actuator arms at correct angle, discs + pads reasonable. Are uniform rules applied to all vehicles regardless of age/design? A charming new test man but not familiar with older cars? Any MOT people here? Have ordered 4 new tyres+tubes for fitting to spare rims. £145+VAT


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: B20B24 on 12 September, 2013, 07:55:56 AM
Sounds like the tester is inexperienced with older cars or just being a jobs worth. Whilst uniform rules are just that and are applied to all cars, in my experience considerable latitude is given by test people I have used allowing for the fact these are older vehicles. Your hand brake sounds fine! - if you want the number of a friendlier test station, PM me Richard.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 12 September, 2013, 09:10:27 AM
Thanks. Is there a specific reading reqd when 'on the rollers'? also a reading for the hydraulic brakes?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: rogerelias on 12 September, 2013, 10:35:40 AM
Hi, I haven't tested for about 10 years now but, the first thing they would need is the weight of the car to work out the braking measurements. From memory it used to be 25% of the weight of the car on the handbrake test. so if they don't know the weight of the car how do they know what the readings should be ???. I can safely say that the Flaminia will not be on there brake weight chart. Good luck



Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 12 September, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
Thank you Roger, I have to go back anyhow, as the main beam stopped working, there is a front brake hose 'excessively chafed', which I will look for later (3 new hoses) on the shelf, steering lock stop 'incorrectly adjusted'. Measurements -RBT Service Brake Efficiency: 33% PBT Park Brake Efficiency: N/A


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 13 September, 2013, 12:50:26 PM
I have now asked how the weight of the car was established for the purpose of the brake test. A guess. Anyhow four stripped rims ready for blast cleaning, and paint mixed for when they return


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 14 September, 2013, 12:22:41 PM
Swift work, thanks to Chris 07714 266 627


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 15 September, 2013, 01:59:50 PM
Top coat. One outer trim fastener still to be removed I see.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 16 September, 2013, 06:14:47 PM
One more little job to do now. Main beam has stopped working. Any ideas before I start? No main beam and no blue lamp on dash. All other lamps working. Relay?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Charles on 16 September, 2013, 07:56:41 PM
You should hear the relay "click" when you select main beam.  So, if it's "clicking" the fault is after the relay, if it's not "clicking" then it's the relay, the stalk switch or the fuse - possibly (I hate car electrics)!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 17 September, 2013, 04:23:46 AM
The relay is clicking. I will check relay contacts.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 18 September, 2013, 03:13:06 PM
As things turned out the dashboard 'pull switch' was not supplying the relay contacts with power so although switching, no 12v to going onwards to the lamps. Brass contacts in switch now cleaned and passing current.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: fay66 on 28 September, 2013, 12:50:50 AM
I called in to see Richard on tuesday and get a good windscreen for "Fay", along with a spare drive shaft joint and a water pump, so while there I had my first look at his Flaminia PF, what an impressive car, and coming along well, there's still a lot for him to do to make it concours, but I like it as it is!
I also took him his trophy that was awarded at the AGM that I collected on his behalf.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 28 September, 2013, 06:46:52 AM
Thanks Brian, only news is that the Michelin tyres which I have ordered are delayed.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 14 October, 2013, 06:28:21 PM
The windscreen wiper mechanism had a bush missing, resulting in sloppy operation due to excessive play. I have made, inserted and silver soldered into position using  a recycled brass nut, suitably drilled. Next job is to clean up a pair of front suspension assemblies.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 18 October, 2013, 11:28:39 AM
Spare suspension assemblies have provided a bottom ball joint now fitted to the car. Having split the joint, replacement involved removing the front section of the wishbone. I am grateful for the help with that job! New tyres now fitted. The workshop manual  recommends higher pressure at the rear, compared with the front. Bearing in mind these are 165s rather than 175s on a PF, can anyone advise on pressure values. The tread seems to have a generous contact patch, and the sidewalls seem compliant (40 PSI)


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: simonandjuliet on 18 October, 2013, 05:16:16 PM
Looks great !

All those castle-ated nuts and split pins .... I know the feeling


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 18 October, 2013, 06:59:07 PM
Thanks, the new tyres are different to modern ones in as much the tread is quite narrow in comparison with the overall width including the sidewalls


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 February, 2014, 06:45:52 PM
There has been a negative pulse (one in three)from one of the two tailpipes, which I thought maybe be a symptom of an exhaust valve not seating. Thankfully on this occassion the fault turned out to be a deteriorated servo hose.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 12 February, 2014, 08:14:10 AM
The next job I am thinking about is the starter motor servicing. Sometimes there is just the sound of the solenoid 'clicking'. Looking at the solenoid, I can't see a way of cleaning the contacts, as it seems to be crimped together. Works fine on the bench with a direct electrical feed, so I am also considering fitting a starter button under the dash perhaps. Any ideas re the solenoid? I have been quoted £245 + for a new solenoid.  


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: DavidLaver on 12 February, 2014, 01:31:25 PM

Under the dash do you mean a hidden security switch?  That doesn't guard against a bump start.  Does it have an electric fuel pump?  I always liked the idea of "them" getting it started but not getting very far.

The other spot for a starter button - in terms of a button to start the engine - is under the bonnet to help with maintenance.

As for a refurb I wouldn't expect you to be defeated by mere crimps - but do understand it takes a lot of courage without another one on the shelf...as for the symptoms I have a similar problem on the Strada.  It clicks, I take it off and its fine on the bench.  I put it back and it goes a couple of times then back to square one.  I've yet to investigate further/deeper.

David


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 12 February, 2014, 02:16:04 PM
So I am not alone with clicking and being back at square one. Not so much a security switch, but a new switch and wiring to illiminate any existing poor connections or contacts  which may be contributing to situation.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: DavidLaver on 12 February, 2014, 02:24:18 PM

I have a "hot wire" and still the same behaviour.  It sounds like its a "low current/high current" thing...and due to age and lack of use...

David


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 26 February, 2015, 06:14:27 PM
Over a year since the last post!! Well that soon passed, as has the total period of ownership(nearly four years). Anyhow the "new" cork fuel float has sunk. So this time I have made a copper float.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: lancialulu on 26 February, 2015, 06:19:31 PM
I guess you are still using the solenoid!!??


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: stanley sweet on 27 February, 2015, 12:28:02 PM
Richard - somehow I've missed this whole thread and have just read it. It was only recently I realised you had a Flaminia. Gorgeous cars and well worth the effort you've put in.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 28 February, 2015, 10:00:27 AM
I guess you are still using the solenoid!!??
.              Still the same solenoid. I must assess that. One thing which has improved is the cold start device, when set correctly. Something else I am keeping an eye on is the ammeter, which wasn't showing a charge earlier this week.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 22 April, 2015, 07:10:16 PM
Battery not charging. In the event of a faulty dynamo, would an Aurelia dynamo be a suitable replacement, as I see there is one for sale in VL? Advice very welcome.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 06 May, 2015, 01:47:49 PM
I have now connected 12v to the dynamo and it spins like an electric motor, and am now wondering how to test the voltage regulator? If of interest 'The Morris Minor Centre' in West Malling sell these for £25


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 December, 2015, 12:16:08 PM
Regulator now tested, and set using the screws. The manufacturers info sheet was misleading oddly enough. I have been offered some help to replace a rear wheel bearing, and am wondering if anyone knows of an available hub tool. Help appreciated.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Dave Gee on 04 December, 2015, 06:29:47 PM

Richard

I have just got my set of tooling back so you would be welcome to borrow it if you want to. I'm in North Leicestershire.

Best wishes

Dave Gee


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 December, 2015, 07:07:29 PM
Many thanks Dave, I will send you an Email. Very generous of you to offer.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 29 December, 2015, 06:04:48 PM
With Dave's generous help with special tools, one bearing removed from spare De Dion tube


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: simonandjuliet on 29 December, 2015, 09:14:22 PM
Makes Fulvia wheel bearings look simple ....


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: frankxhv773t on 29 December, 2015, 10:29:38 PM
That's a heavy bit of kit. Did it undo fairly easily with that much leverage or was it still a struggle?

Frank T


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 30 December, 2015, 08:18:50 AM
Unfortunately there was not a third person to photpograph the two of us hanging on the levers! Will have a go at the remaining bearing at the other end today.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 30 December, 2015, 08:21:51 AM
Been there done that, how to be continually frustrated for hours on end..........


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 30 December, 2015, 06:43:32 PM
Hello Frank, any tips on fitting the liberated bearing to the car? One thought which has been brought to my attention, is the question of if the inboard locknut was of smaller outside diameter, the (attached photographed) assembly could be removed without disturbing the inboard lockring. Looking at it, the ring could be turned down and new slots milled, to match a new tool. Any ideas welcome before Monday's visit to the workshop. A tricky job to try to solve.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Parisien on 30 December, 2015, 07:00:52 PM
Richard, its Storm Frank answering ....... ;D

We've yet to refit, am chasing up body man tomorrow and over next few weeks, then hoping to get back to mechanical bits and bobs in spring, so no other advice/experience to offer/compare.


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Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Dilambdaman on 30 December, 2015, 07:51:43 PM
Richard, Are you coming to the Kent/Sussex New Year's Day bash this year? If you are and come back to New Barn I have two boxes full of old Lancia tools (I have no idea what they fit) and there maybe something that may be of help to you.

Robin.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 30 December, 2015, 08:40:21 PM
Hello Robin, we are booked for the lunch. A year gone by again! One item of interest is of course the sedan, what a good runner, but I just haven't the space! Tools sound interesting, looking forward to seeing you and everybody. Richard


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 06 January, 2016, 07:23:30 AM
This old bearing is now replaced.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: frankxhv773t on 06 January, 2016, 11:39:22 AM
Keep up the good work Richard. I have stripped a berlina of all its' major components but haven't actually delved inside any of them so your reports are of great interest. Hopefully 2016 may be the year to start some serious work but keeping the Y10 on the road and getting the Dedra out of the way are the first priorities.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 06 January, 2016, 03:09:17 PM
Thanks Frank, hope your 2016 Lancia work goes well. I myself can only get these things done with the kind help of others. Not sure how much the bearing job would cost at a specialist workshop.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Angle Grinder on 06 January, 2016, 08:15:52 PM
Out of curiosity (as I need to do a similar job on a Flavia soon) how do you get the correct torque settings when re-tightening the bearing retainer "nut" with the special tool? Or is it no more scientific than getting a fat mate to hang off the end of a suitably long piece of scaffolding?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 02 January, 2017, 08:50:00 AM
A year gone by already!! For Flavia (in Mkg) 30 front and 20 rear? (From consortium 'torque settings' list. Not sure why the difference front and rear.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: lanciab20 on 17 January, 2017, 05:31:38 PM
I have not seen the style of airfilter on p110, but am reminded as I look at it of the howler in this roadtest on p111;  "Suspension remains unchanged from the Aurelia.  Coil springs and wishbones support the front end...."  Oops.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 25 June, 2017, 05:45:12 PM
I would like to fit the correct windscreen wipers. Can anyone here tell me the correct make and length. And if anyone has a pair spare, perhaps I could buy them. Richard 07957292127


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 16 April, 2019, 04:39:25 PM
Hopefully the wipers currently for sale on this forum will be OK


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: pchflyer on 14 May, 2019, 04:22:33 AM
Hi Richard, you might be interested in my experience with the brakes in my Flaminia. The servo had been overhauled by Omicron shortly before I bought the car but I was never that happy with the way the car stopped.  After discussing with other owners, a story of the unreliability of the Flaminia servo emerged.  In particular, David Wakefield told me that he had experienced repeated problems until he finally upgraded to a modern servo.  I decided to follow his example.  There are not that many dual circuit remote servos being made today but Frenos Iruna in Spain do one (available from S-V-C in UK) for about £300 which is less than half the cost of getting the original overhauled. I made up a couple of mounting brackets that used the original mounting points and installed the new unit with no trouble - see picture - except that I had to fit a hydraulic brake light switch as the new unit (unlike the original) does not incorporate one.  Result - the car now stops like a modern car and the performance can be exploited with no worries about stopping.  More important, the unit has been totally reliable.

This servo is available again through S-V-C, although in an updated form. I just received it and it's at the mechanics'. It seems obvious, but can you confirm that the forward cylinder (to the front of the car) is for the front brake circuit?
Edit: I Just heard from supplier- they say either side can go to either circuit.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 23 May, 2019, 05:03:40 PM
Can anyone here identify this Flaminia trim part from my store? Advice welcome


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: dannels on 01 July, 2019, 06:15:10 PM
I've no idea - but I'll take a punt....

Does that circular 'bulge' cover the mounting on the floor for the chassis leg perhaps?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 06 September, 2019, 07:23:36 AM
I've no idea - but I'll take a punt....

Does that circular 'bulge' cover the mounting on the floor for the chassis leg perhaps?
.        I will have a look next time I am at the garage. In the meantime I have been given a half hide to repair the drivers seat. The passenger seat has been restitched and now needs some extra padding


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 06 September, 2019, 08:02:19 AM
Quite a good colour match and dyed all the way through.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 10 September, 2019, 07:02:23 AM
I've no idea - but I'll take a punt....

Does that circular 'bulge' cover the mounting on the floor for the chassis leg perhaps?
.       Refitting the passenger front seat squab has revealed the mystery trim item to be a cover for the drivers seat lower rear area


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 17 September, 2019, 02:32:45 PM
Driver's squab now reupholstered. A good qualit job, and swift return


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: williamcorke on 17 September, 2019, 04:10:08 PM
Lovely work Richard.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 20 September, 2019, 05:00:27 PM
Thanks William. The next job is to improve the smokey exhaust. Does anyone here know if the pistons can be withdrawn from the bottom end without fouling the crankshaft? I would like to inspect the oil control rings. Compression is equal and good, so oil rings or valve guides perhaps?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Flamfan on 22 September, 2019, 01:46:24 PM
Is your exhaust smokey on start up with choke or all of the time with choke off ?
Black smoke or blue ?
Is it worse under fierce acceleration ( seen in the rear view mirror ) ?


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 22 September, 2019, 03:13:22 PM
Black/grey mist all of the time and black/grey smoke when under load, ie when pulling away going uphill


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: lancialulu on 22 September, 2019, 03:25:23 PM
Black/grey mist all of the time and black/grey smoke when under load, ie when pulling away going uphill
Rings!


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Flamfan on 23 September, 2019, 07:19:45 PM
Yes, looks that way but are you 100% sure that your choke is fully in and you're driving
off choke ?
I wouldn't necessarily rely on the warning light. The cable has a long way to go
in a Flaminia and mine proved troublesome until it was changed.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 24 September, 2019, 04:13:10 AM
The choke has to be manually returned at the carburettor to be fully off. If not the plugs get terminally sooty. So to the rings problem.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: Richard Fridd on 31 October, 2019, 09:42:21 AM
In the meantime I have salvaged some leather (from a discarded sofa) to use for upholstery.


Title: Re: flaminia
Post by: frankxhv773t on 31 October, 2019, 01:47:16 PM
You can get a lot of good leather from sofas people are chucking out.