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Title: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 20 June, 2011, 10:33:35 PM
Lancia Flaminia Pininfarina Coupe 2.5 (1961).

Complete, unrestored and running but sold as a restoration project.

Originally a UK RHD car, now located and registered in Ireland but can ship to the UK or deliver at AGM weekend by agreement.

Price: €3500 firm.

Some spare parts,  copy workshop manual and original tavola also available for sale separately.

Pictures and further details available by e-mail from Alan Murphy (lancialan@gmail.com) tel 00 353 876691695


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 21 June, 2011, 04:35:29 PM
hi Alan,i will get in touch when my redundency money comes through if it is still available.do you have any idea of the cost of putting the car back on the road in a reliable condition and is regeristering with DVLA straightforward?i assume there is no import duty or other inconveniences provided by the authorities,best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 23 June, 2011, 01:27:01 AM
Hi Richard

Its not going anywhere fast though I plan to re-eBay it. Can't believe it did so bad at the first auction, especially as a dismantled one made more just a week earlier. Must be its location.

I did not import the car to Ireland myself and I only have experience of registering UK cars with the irish authorities and not vice versa or undoing the process. As far as I recall, It was officially exported and recorded as such in UK records but I don't know how you would pick up the traces on that.  I have a record of its original (personal) UK numberplate and possibly also its subsequent one prior to export. I have the original 1961 logbook too though not sure about its final UK papers as the Irish authorities mostly take them up on re-registering a UK car here - ostensibly to return them to DVLA but I doubt it.

Tell me about your Sport.

Alan


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 23 June, 2011, 07:57:04 AM
hi Alan,my sport is a series one which i bought locally around 10 years ago and rebuilt at less than 45,000 miles with black seats,green wilton carpet,west of england headlining,new dunlop brake cylinder assemblies,large core radiator,new heater matrix plus other components replaced/refurbished as necessary, then repainted red proffesionally.it appears in VL circa 2002 in the 'zagato discovered'article and is in the brooklands and brands hatch threads somewere on this forum i think.always properley maintained by me driven carefully in good weather and housed in my heated garage.should sell  to make room for something else now.not properley advertised as yet as i have been making sure my rather shabby looking sedan is reliable.also not experienced with ebay as i dont sell things publically that often-especially cars.i see the price guide in classic cars mag etc suggests values well into the teens for this model now-so this has also prompted me to think of selling.also have spare doors/good subframe/driveshafts/instruments/parts book/s2 wiring loom/glass/wheels/new hubcaps in wrappers  etc.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 23 June, 2011, 05:13:52 PM
hi all,looking ahead, should my plan for a flaminia in some shape or form materialize i would be grateful for any advice available.i have two questions in my mind-what is the best course of action regarding tyres and am i right in thinking the single carb is easier to live with than the triple.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 24 June, 2011, 12:24:50 AM
Mine is on elderly Michelins which I understand are hard to get now but shared with a VW or, more likely, some French metal.

I haven't looked into it so I don't know if the "difficult" measurement is the diameter (most likely) or the tyre breadth. If it were the latter I wouldhave no compunction in having the rims widened as is often done in other contexts. I think it would look well on wider rims though the purists would shudder.

Re single carb, I think the main power increase between 2500 and 2800 Flaminias is in the cc and not the triple carb which I understand to be fiddly to balance and not worth the effort.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Kevin MacBride on 24 June, 2011, 07:56:53 AM
Aurelia owners know only too well the difficulty with wheels. While the Flaminia is a similar, 165x400, its easier to fit 15" rims with modern tyres as you dont have a front brake drum getting in the way.
Michelin and Pirelli originals are available from Longstone Tyres. I recently got a set for my 2nd B20 (not my own unfortunatly). You could fit a set of alloys. There were incorrect fitment 'aurelia' alloys floating around for a while, which would suit. Not cheap at around the 1500 mark for a set.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: chriswgawne on 24 June, 2011, 08:31:31 AM
Ref Aurelia 'alloy wheels', I have got asn unused set of the Heinbrand 15" wheels which are a copy of the Technomagnesio wheels. Heinbrand marketed them although they were made by Compomotive in the UK.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 24 June, 2011, 04:37:24 PM
The Flaminia pf Coupe and saloon used 175/400 tyres. It was only the Touring and Zagato models that had 165/400 like the Aurelia.
You would have to check but I think that the 175/400s are now available again.
Peter Blenk had some alloy wheels made for Flaminias, they were only made to order, but he did tell me that if there was enough interest another batch could be made. P.S. Flaminia steel wheels are VERY heavy!

Power outputs for Flaminia pf Coupes are:   2.5  119bhp
                                                                  2.5 3B  128bhp  (triple single choke carb)
                                                                  2.8 3B  140bhp  (triple single choke carb)


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: lancialulu on 24 June, 2011, 10:15:31 PM
Longstone list 165 R 400's at Ģ150 a pop, and 185R 400 at Ģ185 a pop. Couldnt see any at 175 400.
Both are Michelins.
The former is good for Aprilia.
Tim


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Kevin MacBride on 25 June, 2011, 01:54:53 AM
The Flaminia pf Coupe and saloon used 175/400 tyres. It was only the Touring and Zagato models that had 165/400 like the Aurelia.
You would have to check but I think that the 175/400s are now available again.
Peter Blenk had some alloy wheels made for Flaminias, they were only made to order, but he did tell me that if there was enough interest another batch could be made. P.S. Flaminia steel wheels are VERY heavy!

Power outputs for Flaminia pf Coupes are:   2.5  119bhp
                                                                  2.5 3B  128bhp  (triple single choke carb)
                                                                  2.8 3B  140bhp  (triple single choke carb)
I have a Touring version, which I store for its owner. It has 165's, so I presumed other versions had the same.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 28 June, 2011, 05:21:25 PM
Ref Aurelia 'alloy wheels', I have got asn unused set of the Heinbrand 15" wheels which are a copy of the Technomagnesio wheels. Heinbrand marketed them although they were made by Compomotive in the UK.
hi all and thanks for the advice,Chris what are the Heinbrand wheels like,are they really suitable for Aurelia only?and also hi Tim  do the 185s fit the standard flaminia PF rims ok?also does anyone have an opinion regarding grey paint on a PF as i almost chose that for my sport although the chosen red seems to meet with most peoples approval.Alan i must say the red leather interior in your car appeals to my eye- reminds me of a car father had in an age when it was ok for me to be seated on the front central arm rest at the age of 3,4,5?dont worry son i will catch you if we have a head on!!!thankfully that wasn't necessary!best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: lancialulu on 28 June, 2011, 08:47:31 PM
Hi Richard

I cant answer about 185 400 tyres for flaminia sorry.

Tim


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 28 June, 2011, 09:47:06 PM
The car I am selling was originally grey and the red interior seems to travel with that - I have not seen blue and red combo as any blue ones I have seen had beige interiors.

A black over grey 2.8 I came across in Scotland had a blue cloth interior (petrified blue by the time I got to it). Here is its unhappy end. Apparently it languished safely in one spot for years, becoming lost to Lancia eyes until it got rounded up for an "end of life" scrapping scheme (obv. with a grab through the windows). Pity as it seemed a little used example. Then it got spotted and saved as something interesting, broken for parts and sold on eBay. The un-seized 3C engine was complete and went to Portugal I believe (I could have had it) but I did get the suspensions, transaxle and that totally useless interior in which a a Scottish mouse became an illegal immigrant to Ireland.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-MaSLEuiCMJI/TgpIhXH7qyI/AAAAAAAABIk/Y4S7Vd76ujw/s640/doodlebug%252520033.jpg) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-d2J2cihBOhQ/TgpImufsXzI/AAAAAAAABIo/Q_jRrYzZb2A/s640/doodlebug%252520032.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LhzkJZb15FY/TgpIuRQTCkI/AAAAAAAABIs/yHtIzpVRWV4/s640/doodlebug%252520036.jpg) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-TfJMZnzAX1g/TgpJH3-D7eI/AAAAAAAABI8/6mX5uQRoNzY/s640/doodlebug%252520042.jpg)


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 29 June, 2011, 10:08:56 AM
nice in grey Alan!do you have any other PF pics as i havent seen many and they seem to be in a minority on this forum and generally.one other red trimmed PF i saw was a USA order i think [had red carpets also ?]best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: JohnMillham on 29 June, 2011, 10:23:10 AM
The last picture reminds me .... I'm still looking for an oil filler cap like that one - with the breather pipe. It's to try to keep the fumes down in the Augusta. Anyone got one for sale? Even a rusty one?
 Regards, John


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 29 June, 2011, 11:57:31 AM
nice in grey Alan!do you have any other PF pics as i havent seen many and they seem to be in a minority on this forum and generally.one other red trimmed PF i saw was a USA order i think [had red carpets also ?]best regards richard

Click Here:

http://www.google.ie/search?q=lancia+flaminia+pininfarina+coupe&hl=en&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=ABMLTvabKdKHhQez3aDGDw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CA4Q_AUoAQ&biw=1004&bih=611 (http://www.google.ie/search?q=lancia+flaminia+pininfarina+coupe&hl=en&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=ABMLTvabKdKHhQez3aDGDw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CA4Q_AUoAQ&biw=1004&bih=611)


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 29 June, 2011, 02:59:33 PM
i am glad i asked.does anyone have a favourite.grey/silver is definately nice


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 29 June, 2011, 05:39:07 PM
If re-doing mine I would go for black or dark blue (if the underlying body finish could take it) to set off all the lovely chromework. I think the grey can look a bit battleship on its own though black over grey is very sympathetic to the design. Or silver, though it eclipses the chrome as much as enhancing it. Not white anyhow.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 04 July, 2011, 01:16:40 PM
Just a gratuitous plug to say that the eBay auction for my Flaminia is ending tomorrow (Tuesday) and that it currently seems unlikely, on this the second time of asking on eBay, to make the reserve I have set of Ģ3500, this being the (classic car magazine) indicated "book" value for a rough example.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-Flaminia-Pininfarina-Coupe-1961-/140569041095?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item20ba9158c7 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-Flaminia-Pininfarina-Coupe-1961-/140569041095?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item20ba9158c7)

I also have the car advertised in Viva Lancia this month so that may produce a different stream of interest.

I am surprised that it has generated relatively little enquiries so far from on-line marketing but that may reflect the fact that it is located in Oireland ... I previously WON an eBay auction for an identical car in bits to contribute to the restoration of this one but then the seller back-pedalled even though my winning bid exceeded the €2000 reserve.

You would think that, if someone was prepared to bid me up to that much for a dismantled car they would be interested in a complete and running car. Maybe that someone doesn't actually exist .....

I don't expressly want to sell the car at all but I need a budget for a Fulvia project (2013 50th Anniversary) and  I am unlikely to get around to restoring the Flaminia for a long time yet. It is also somewhat "higher ground" in cost and parts availability terms than the more run-of-the-mill Fulvia/Flavia stuff I am used to.

Reasons for selling or not selling aside, I am pushing it now because I will be attending the AGM in a few weeks and that presents an opportunity to repatriate it to the UK at optimal cost/convenience to any prospective UK purchaser.

Its previous UK reg no was 310 HUS and I understand it was owned at one stage by a Club member.

Alan


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: lancialulu on 04 July, 2011, 04:41:43 PM
This confirms the squeeze on household discretionary spending - best strategy would be to lock it away for 7 years....

Tim

I would love it but the resto cost is not in my pocket right now....


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 July, 2011, 05:41:47 PM
hi Alan,never mind the recession!when i recieve my modest payout on august 28 i will be in a position to contact you if still appropriate.i do understand that it makes good sense for a late july delivery to a new uk owner though.also do you have a total cost inc.the bumper,transmission,seat etc+delivery and what do you have in mind as a fulvia project for the forthcoming 50th event as i can keep my eyes peeled locally.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 05 July, 2011, 08:03:46 AM
Richard

I would be thinking Ģ4000 for the car and all the bits and something like Ģ4500 if I were to deliver it to you.

I have the transmission but the bumper/overriders and seat are in France and would have to be posted from there (included in the above prices and subject only to cooperation of the vendor which I do not doubt).

I have plenty of project Fulvias and parts here (3x 1300 Coupe and 1x 1600 Zagato) and I just need a budget to start on one. But if I were delivering a car to you I would like to pick something up on the way back so do keep an eye out for something in Fulvia/Flavia line. I have no Zagato spares whatsoever.

Alan



Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 05 July, 2011, 06:23:41 PM
hi Alan,the 4000 asking price does indeed tie up with the 'classic cars' price guide with 8000 quoted for a 'good' one.please could you tell me if the 500 delivery is to the AGM or to the buyers address.on the local fulvia / flavia front the only one i know of at present is the white s2 sedan+many spares in kent as seen in the VL ads a while back.having seen it i think it is ok for the money apart from its colour-others may disagree of course.also i am going to look at a neighbours surplus fulvia stuff this week-sport ally bonnet/wheelbolts/indicator lenses front and side/exhaust/s1 thick burgundy parts book/s2 wheels/brake hoses/front script/int.door pull/handbrake or clutch cable?[he is not sure]s2 wheel centres.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 06 July, 2011, 07:27:32 AM
Richard

Ģ500 is my estimate of the cost of ferry (probably later in the off season), trailer hire and petrol for me to deliver the car to a location that is within about 250 miles of Holyhead or Pembroke.

By delivery at the AGM I meant the same thing i.e. dropping the car to a not too distant new owner's location en route rather than dumping it at the hotel.

In either case I would hope to maximise the value of the trip to myself by picking up another car on the way home

The AGM obviously suits better as I am travelling there anyhow and wouldn't have to make a separate trip so the delivery would cover some of  my AGM travel costs too and I could probably do it for a bit less - say Ģ300.

If you think you want the car we should continue this conversation in  e-mail or pm as we may be able to work something out around the timing of my AGM delivery and your money coming through in August.

Alan (e-mail LANCIALAN@GMAIL.COM)



Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 06 July, 2011, 03:53:09 PM
have sent PM. richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 08 July, 2011, 05:21:15 PM
hi all,hopefully have a flaminia on the way,so although there are not many flaminia posts generally how many people here are experienced with these  cars i wonder as i will need some advice along the way i expect!to begin with i may need some s/h wheel trims[hoops]probably some reasonable s/h tyres to suit and perhaps some clutch parts[or should i get the existing one refurbished?]i assume my spare fulvia wheel bearings can be used if reqd?also do i need to have special tools made as i have done with my fulvias and are steering joints interchangable with other cars?best regards richard.advice welcome as usual!


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: DavidLaver on 09 July, 2011, 06:03:00 PM

Congratulations!!

David


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 09 July, 2011, 06:15:01 PM
thankyou David,if things go to plan working on a flaminia should provide something for the 'Flaminia' section of the forum.i need to get in touch with existing flaminia owners i suppose.there is one here in kent whose name escapes me at the moment.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 21 July, 2011, 04:27:36 PM
Ref Aurelia 'alloy wheels', I have got asn unused set of the Heinbrand 15" wheels which are a copy of the Technomagnesio wheels. Heinbrand marketed them although they were made by Compomotive in the UK.
hi Chris,what are these wheels like and do they only fit an aurelia?see you at silverstone if you are racing.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: chriswgawne on 22 July, 2011, 09:01:52 AM
Hi Richard,
I decided not to race this season until AFTER our son Alex's marriage which is July 30th in an effort to reduce risk etc. Not a bad decision  i thinkbecause subsequently his prospective mother in law fell off one of her horses in March and broke 2 bones in her neck resulting in temporary paralysis, 2 weeks of traction anmd then a complex neck brace which was only removed yesterday!!
Therefore I am not at Silverstone this year having had a great time there last year winning a couple of trophies in Pre 63 GT and Masters.
The wheels are specificaly for Aurelia I believe and I have never seen them fitted to Flaminia although maybe that is because noone has tried.
You are welcome to borrow one from me - I am in Sunningdale Berkshire.
Chris


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: frankxhv773t on 22 July, 2011, 10:51:38 AM
Back on the subject of single or tripple carbs; I seem to remember some discussion of this a year or so ago, possibly involving Mr Buckley. Richard Thorne had a sedan available with triple carbs fitted at the time. I looked up the output figures and whereas the tripple carb engine had better BHP the single carb engine was way ahead on torque. Thus the single carb was fitted to the heavy sedan, the tripple carb to lightweight tourers but for a Pininfarina coupe the best choice probably depends on what sort of driving you do.

Richard, do you still have that front subframe? I could be seriously interested as it might get my sedan project moving forwards again. My pockets aren't deep but it would be easier to hide from "she who must be obeyed" than another car!


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Kevin MacBride on 22 July, 2011, 12:42:44 PM
I had a set of the (heinbrand) wheels some time ago. They did not fit my Aurelia without some modification, as the offset was incorrect. However I did fit them to a Flaminia SL 3C I had (and still do) at the time. They looked quite well, but would need hubcaps to finish them off. I ended up selling the wheels to a man in California, for his Flaminia Zagato. The tyre size was 185/70, which did not really fill the arches that well.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 22 July, 2011, 10:37:09 PM
Kevin McBride for a man who lives in a bog you have some exotic car/spares lines going on there ... and broadband too! This heady Flaminia scene was too rich for me and I have reverted to more common fare.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 24 July, 2011, 11:17:03 AM
Hi Richard,
I decided not to race this season until AFTER our son Alex's marriage which is July 30th in an effort to reduce risk etc. Not a bad decision  i thinkbecause subsequently his prospective mother in law fell off one of her horses in March and broke 2 bones in her neck resulting in temporary paralysis, 2 weeks of traction anmd then a complex neck brace which was only removed yesterday!!
Therefore I am not at Silverstone this year having had a great time there last year winning a couple of trophies in Pre 63 GT and Masters.
The wheels are specificaly for Aurelia I believe and I have never seen them fitted to Flaminia although maybe that is because noone has tried.
You are welcome to borrow one from me - I am in Sunningdale Berkshire.
Chris
many Thanks Chris,hope the wedding goes well.also hope mother in law makes a full recovery!i am still not sure what the heinbrands look like although have seen some technomags pictured on an alfa forum.having spoken to David Gee at silverstone yesterday one course of action is to buy 165/400s from a french tyre fitting centre where they may be cheaper.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 24 July, 2011, 11:28:39 AM
Back on the subject of single or tripple carbs; I seem to remember some discussion of this a year or so ago, possibly involving Mr Buckley. Richard Thorne had a sedan available with triple carbs fitted at the time. I looked up the output figures and whereas the tripple carb engine had better BHP the single carb engine was way ahead on torque. Thus the single carb was fitted to the heavy sedan, the tripple carb to lightweight tourers but for a Pininfarina coupe the best choice probably depends on what sort of driving you do.

Richard, do you still have that front subframe? I could be seriously interested as it might get my sedan project moving forwards again. My pockets aren't deep but it would be easier to hide from "she who must be obeyed" than another car!

hi Frank,a single carb sounds like a sensible option then.i sold the subframe in the last week or so after it being surplus for many months with no interest- these items seem to be in sudden demand.if i find another i will let you know.what state is your sedan in-any pics or details of the project.i love mine and so does my girlfriend although she prefers the zagato i think.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: chugga boom on 24 July, 2011, 11:41:27 AM
if anyone has one i could do with whatever holds the gearbox to the car, i have the mounts on the box however i could do with the floor area i pressume or is it a subframe? that the gearbox mounts bolt too


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 24 July, 2011, 12:13:16 PM
hi James,the fulvia gearbox sits on a crossmember which is part of the subframe and is also attached by means of a bracket above the box. a chap local to me in kent had subframe parts surplus when i last visited him-i can find out if you like .also James if you are still in the tyre business i would be grateful for info regarding availability etc of the 165/175/185 400 tyres as mentioned in the other thread.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: chugga boom on 24 July, 2011, 02:56:29 PM
its a flaminia box that i'm going to be mounting so the rear end, above the transaxle is what i need, i will look into the 400mm tyres, unfortunatly because of the monopoly on them ie only michelin and pirelli making them + lack of demand its hard to get good prices on them  >:(


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: frankxhv773t on 26 July, 2011, 05:08:31 PM
The Flaminia transaxle just bolts to the floor with some big round rubber mounts. You should be able to fabricate something very easily. I don't think it carries much load.

Frank


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: chugga boom on 26 July, 2011, 06:08:55 PM
thanks frank  :)


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 27 July, 2011, 11:31:48 PM
Chugga

I just "dismantled" a Flam. transmision/suspension assembly last night but apart from a substantial aluminium casting on the back end of the box here was little sign of how it might be attached to the body. The whole assembly is in a pic here but you canīt see the casting as the transaxle seems to be flipped upside down in this shot. Anyhow you can see it at the AGM where it will be appearing on a trailer with a whole Flam. Or in the boot. You donīt have a monopoly on insane Lancia collections and deliveries you know!

Alan


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Kevin MacBride on 28 July, 2011, 03:54:12 PM
Similar to the Aurelia. 2 cross beams are bolted to the transaxle. One at the clutch end, the other at the rear. These in turn, are bolted at each end of the cross beam to the floor of the car. The beams are probably missing from your transaxle.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: the.cern on 29 July, 2011, 01:20:43 PM
James, attached are two photos of the transaxle from my B20, which Kevin says is similar to your Flaminia  one. This is sitting on a bench awaiting fitment of new oil seals. Hopefully nothing else is required because it will go back  without any further work, apart from a refurbished (or replacement) clutch. Oh, and rebuilt brakes.

The first photo shows the mounting beams whilst the second shows quite clearly the double rubber mounting bushes. The shell is on the rotisserie so I will try to get a photo of the underside in the relevant area to show detail of the chassis mounting points.

                     Andy


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: the.cern on 29 July, 2011, 02:27:43 PM
Just had another look at the first photo above, excellent of the rear of the unit but not so good at the front, I'll see if I can do better.

Just been to to the workshop and more photos , this time of the underside of the shell. The four transaxle mounting points are identified with a blob of white paint and a close-up of the front and rear are included. the rear  points are on chassis box sections whilst those at the front are on brackets attached to the side of box sections. All very strong but also simple!  I hope I've included enough peripheral area to allow you to identify everything if needed.

I've just realised I've yet to download the latest photos, so they will follow on a separate post. Its just senility, the problem is that I won't be getting over it !!!!!

                      Andy


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: the.cern on 29 July, 2011, 02:39:19 PM
............and here are the photos.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: chugga boom on 29 July, 2011, 06:46:29 PM
Thanks andy thats what i needed to see, i've got the actual mounts on the box i just didn't know what the mounts on the body looked like, anyway that looks straight forward to fabricate  ;)


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 29 July, 2011, 10:25:02 PM
Chugga

I just "dismantled" a Flam. transmision/suspension assembly last night but apart from a substantial aluminium casting on the back end of the box here was little sign of how it might be attached to the body. The whole assembly is in a pic here but you canīt see the casting as the transaxle seems to be flipped upside down in this shot. Anyhow you can see it at the AGM where it will be appearing on a trailer with a whole Flam. Or in the boot. You donīt have a monopoly on insane Lancia collections and deliveries you know!

Alan

For what it is worth, in my previous post I omitted this pic of the aft aluminum casting which you probably have, and more, on your box as well as beams that I never saw. If I had, maybe I wouldn't have tried to fit the transaxle in backwards through the boot .... I can see now how it works.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 01 August, 2011, 06:24:26 PM
hi all,looking ahead, should my plan for a flaminia in some shape or form materialize i would be grateful for any advice available.i have two questions in my mind-what is the best course of action regarding tyres and am i right in thinking the single carb is easier to live with than the triple.best regards richard
flaminia now arrived thanks to Alans hard work!tyres-just to get myself clear on this i assume 400mm and 16inch tyres are not interchangable considering the quarter inch difference.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: JohnMillham on 01 August, 2011, 06:29:22 PM
hi all,looking ahead, should my plan for a flaminia in some shape or form materialize i would be grateful for any advice available.i have two questions in my mind-what is the best course of action regarding tyres and am i right in thinking the single carb is easier to live with than the triple.best regards richard
flaminia now arrived thanks to Alans hard work!tyres-just to get myself clear on this i assume 400mm and 16inch tyres are not interchangable considering the quarter inch difference.best regards richard
You are quite correct - you can't put 400 tyres on 16 inch rime or vice versa. People have tried many times and it always ends in failure. 165 x 400 tyres are still available, but I'm not sure about the other widths Regards, John 


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 August, 2011, 07:24:16 PM
hi all,looking ahead, should my plan for a flaminia in some shape or form materialize i would be grateful for any advice available.i have two questions in my mind-what is the best course of action regarding tyres and am i right in thinking the single carb is easier to live with than the triple.best regards richard
flaminia now arrived thanks to Alans hard work!tyres-just to get myself clear on this i assume 400mm and 16inch tyres are not interchangable considering the quarter inch difference.best regards richard
You are quite correct - you can't put 400 tyres on 16 inch rime or vice versa. People have tried many times and it always ends in failure. 165 x 400 tyres are still available, but I'm not sure about the other widths Regards, John 
a stroke of luck!someone has given me a 175 400 unused michelin which was a spare in the boot of their car.so kept in the dark and looks ok-any others similar would be most welcome!best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: HF_Dave on 04 August, 2011, 08:59:35 PM
Best of luck with the Flaminia Richard, Now that you have started looking for the bits to complete the car you will find that they will come to you (maybe at a price) but you will get there. Thanks . David.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 04 August, 2011, 09:15:35 PM
Best of luck with the Flaminia Richard, Now that you have started looking for the bits to complete the car you will find that they will come to you (maybe at a price) but you will get there. Thanks . David.
encouragement much appreciated!the car is a good basis for a restoration so wish me well!best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 09 August, 2011, 05:05:40 PM
some progress!i have now managed to start the engine and can now control the engine speed with the help of a refurbished throttle pedal assembly[this is a hollow steel spindle which runs within an ally casting bolted to the floor pan].the remainder of the throttle linkage contains quite a few more components than a standard 'cable only set up'.also sparkplugs cleaned and a missing plug terminal replaced.fuel filter stripped and cleaned and element refitted which was with the spares.next job is to check the charging circuit and fit new battery cables with a master cut out switch-42Ah battery reqd .parking brake ratchet not holding .will need to think of a solution to that problem.carpets will just about suvive but will need two mats to fit front footwells.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 09 August, 2011, 10:15:52 PM
Glad to hear its running for you. It runs nicely doesn't it? Must be better now with your TLC. Fuel filter element with spares? Did I leave you a box of spares I didn't know I had? I have made similar progress starting the Fulvia 2C. Next is to dismantle it completely.cheers


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: fay66 on 09 August, 2011, 11:56:12 PM
Hi Alan,
Didn't realise you had a 2c, any details and photos please.
If you need any help I'd be happy to oblige.


Brian 8227 8)


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 10 August, 2011, 08:34:01 AM
Glad to hear its running for you. It runs nicely doesn't it? Must be better now with your TLC. Fuel filter element with spares? Did I leave you a box of spares I didn't know I had? I have made similar progress starting the Fulvia 2C. Next is to dismantle it completely.cheers

hi Alan.the fuel filter was the blue thing in the glove box.looking forward to hearing about your new 2c.best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: fensaddler on 10 August, 2011, 12:49:04 PM
Hi Alan,
Didn't realise you had a 2c, any details and photos please.
If you need any help I'd be happy to oblige.


Brian 8227 8)

Its the ex-Peter & Lin Baker and ex-Lee Proudfoot car - so its one you probably know.  Fundamentally great, but needs some serious TLC to lower external panels - sills, door bottoms etc.  A stonking engine, I gather, and from what I recall, a very nice interior.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: fay66 on 11 August, 2011, 12:09:29 AM
Hi Alan,
Didn't realise you had a 2c, any details and photos please.
If you need any help I'd be happy to oblige.
Brian 8227 8)
Its the ex-Peter & Lin Baker and ex-Lee Proudfoot car - so its one you probably know.  Fundamentally great, but needs some serious TLC to lower external panels - sills, door bottoms etc.  A stonking engine, I gather, and from what I recall, a very nice interior.
Thanks Chris,
didn't realise Lee had sold it.
I first came across OPD 111E in Michael Newberry's Collection when I went to his Lancia Picnic Day about 1996/7, it, along with Robin Lacy's Lovely 2c CTA 762C that was at the meeting, were the reason for me deciding that I would look for a 2c that culminated in my purchasing "Fay" in 1997.
At the time OPD 111E was in pristine condition , later on it was purchased by Cesaere Ferrari from Ealing, Cesaere had a disaster sometime later when he blew a hole in a piston, I offered him one of my spare original pistons left over after I'd previously had to have "Fays" 1091cc engine rebored and fitted with oversize pistons, after a ring broke and scored a bore badly, which resulted in a complete engine rebuild.
However it turned out that OPD 111E already had oversized pistons, so my standard piston was of no use, I believe at that point it acquired the 1298cc engine.
After that I lost touch with Ceasare as I think he dropped out of the Lancia world.
Sometime later peter bought her off of Ebay? no longer the pristine lady she used to be, and also with a missing chrome horn ring, which is where my spare one that was donated resides.
Photo is about 1998 at Goodwood Track Day when owned by Cesaere.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 15 August, 2011, 01:48:11 PM
Glad to hear its running for you. It runs nicely doesn't it? Must be better now with your TLC. Fuel filter element with spares? Did I leave you a box of spares I didn't know I had? I have made similar progress starting the Fulvia 2C. Next is to dismantle it completely.cheers

hi Alan.the fuel filter was the blue thing in the glove box.looking forward to hearing about your new 2c.best regards richard

Gosh - I couldn't even have been sure there was a glove box if you asked me. Was there anything else in there? Hope you emptied the boot. I don't suppose you've driven it round the block or anything - I would have done in the depth of night.


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: LanciAlan on 15 August, 2011, 02:21:30 PM
Hi Alan,
Didn't realise you had a 2c, any details and photos please.
If you need any help I'd be happy to oblige.


Brian 8227 8)

Hello Brian

I meant to say hello to you at the AGM and have a quick look at Fay even though at that stage I had nothing to compare to it as I only got my 2C on the following monday. With delivering the Flaminia the AGM was all a bit of a daze - I think I only had one beer all weekend!

Yes, the Newberry/Ferrari car previously known to you and as described by Chris above is the result of my trawl for something to bring home on the empty trailer. I don't recall seeing it on eBay at any stage in recent years but that may be as I was not particularly looking for one.

I am very pleased with it and am making it my project for Fulvia 2013 but you would be sorry to see its condition now. I will post a few more pictures of my own but you can see it in this set by Lee Proudfoot (current pics at bottom of page 2):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/80688018@N00/sets/72157606371734891/with/2349496211/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80688018@N00/sets/72157606371734891/with/2349496211/)

As the later pictures show, the bottom 6 inches are now so bad you would wonder how it was capable of road use even as recently as 2008. I can only assume that its 10-years spent in the Newberry collection following its import from Cyprus via Greece (as I understand from Lee) extended its natural life but that it began to deteriorate in real time once again when Mr Ferrari put it into regular use. However it is very straight, complete and mostly original apart from the bigger engine and the electrical modifications made for rally use. The exterior trim is all particularly good.

No doubt I will be in touch about one thing and another but don't expect a perfect or even faithful restoration like your own car as I have some pretty radical ideas for it but I think it will be a good candidate for Fulvia 2013 whatever happens and at least it will live to see another day.

Current needs include a front bumper and the black bits of the dashboard - I know you re-fashioned some of yours but I would be optimistic of sourcing these on the continent. The main  parts seem to be ambidextrous as regards LHD and RHD? Can't really think of what else it might need - I presume Bill Lewis is the man for sills and arches?

Regards

Alan


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: Richard Fridd on 15 August, 2011, 05:10:18 PM
hi Alan,i will continue flaminia chat in the 'flaminia' section-[end of august soon! / will be in touch]best regards richard


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: the.cern on 15 August, 2011, 06:18:32 PM
Oh dear Alan, you are a very brave man !!!!!

Good luck with the project, I'm sure you will keep us up to date with progress.

Bill Lewis did the sills for my B20, a superb job, I don't know  if he has any experience of Fulvias, but all we sent him were some dimensioned sketches and back came the goods.

                          Andy


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: fay66 on 15 August, 2011, 11:32:55 PM
Hello Alan,
Sorry I missed you too at Cheltenham but I was only there for the sunday, I'd loved to have shown you around "Fay", I'm hoping I can put enough money together so that I can get Alan Wesson to do a bit of tidying for me, it's now 12 years since I put her back on the road, one job is the bottom of the front passenger door, very annoying, as about 6 years ago I had the Fiat Dealer in Bedford in 2006 cut the bottoms 3 inches out of both front doors, replace the section, paint, and antirust inside the doors, the drivers side is still ok but the passenger door is going again >:(
Sorry to see poor old OPD in the condition she is now in, the underbonnet fire Lee had certainly couldn't have helped with doing other necessary jobs, and I suspect that she has never had any major work to the lower body up to now.
However, you'll be pleased to know that from below the silver facia panel, all the padding is the same as series 2 Berlina, I only found out when idly pouring through the Tavoli one day a couple of years ago, to find the part numbers for series 1 ans 2 were the same, I'd been looking around for the thin pad that runs from the air vent one side, under the silver panel and the instrument cluster to the other air vent for years, without any luck.
You would be unlucky looking for the lower crash pads and glove box lid on the Continent as all of them are specific RHD or LHD, ( I have a LHD one to prove it!) look at the sides of the Glove box lid, one side is vertical the other is angled, on LHD it is on the opposite side of the lid, and this affects the rest of these panels.
If you look at a series 2 Berlina dash it looks totally different from series one, but it's only above the padding I've mentioned that it changes, the rest of it is the same.
I have a set of the knee level ones, so if you need them please let me know.
I see that the offside of your front bumper is badly damaged, if you know anyone who can weld stainless steel my original bumper was damaged on the nearside end but the rest of it is OK, so if you want it it's yours, I bought a refurbished one from Cavellito about 10 years ago,  Jack Romano brought it back from Turin for me on a plane, telling them it was a pair of skis!
Jack got his own back a couple of years later when we went to Turin on another trip which included calling in at Cavellito's for more bits, I asked Jack if I could return the favour, which resulted in 4 of us carry one Gamma front Disc Rotor each in our hand luggage, boy, were they heavy ::)
If you need anything give me a ring, I haven't got a vast range of spares, but at least it's all 2c related.
What is the condition of the dash top crash pad? mine was in a terrible state as all the foam had turned to dust, I had one made but it wasn't right, and I eventually found one through a friend in Holland.
Nearly all the exterior brightwork is stainless steel, but do look after it as it's near impossible to get hold of, but I have most of a spare set if you're stuck anytime.
Door handles go really bad and are also hard to get hold of, I had the last two new ones that Cavellito had about 5 years ago.
If you have trouble with the gear linkage ( the original bushes break up) I got about a dozen from Cavellito, I gave a set to a friend in Holland when their AA had to do a temporary repair to his with a champagne cork ::) and I have a few spare.
Finally out of the three 2C's that I know off, two now reside in Ireland as that was where Robin Lacey's CTA 762C finished up a few years ago.
 Nearly forgot! I never had to have any panels made but I'd certainly say from all I've heard that Bill Lewis is your man, although original panels still turn up, mainly in Italy.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Flaminia Coupe 2.5 for sale
Post by: DavidLaver on 16 August, 2011, 10:22:26 AM

This is the picture to keep coming back to...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/80688018@N00/3758800935/in/set-72157606371734891

David