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Model Technical and Interest => Flavia => Topic started by: Angle Grinder on 05 November, 2010, 01:44:40 PM



Title: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Angle Grinder on 05 November, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
Hoping for some guidance on paint codes for my 1967 Flavia Coupe.

My research had indicated that I should probably be going for Lancia Blue - Code 121, but when I ordered a sample of this paint is was more of a navy blue than the dark midnight blue which I would prefer.

I'm hoping to find a colour as close as possible to the dark blue Flavia Reg 'KSO 818' (see link below) which was at the AGM.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80688018@N00/4805782301/in/set-72157624406273041/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80688018@N00/4805782301/in/set-72157624406273041/)

Does anyone know who owns this car, or can someone suggest the colour code and paint supplier to use for this darker shade of Lancia blue.


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Richard Fridd on 05 November, 2010, 06:00:26 PM
i have just had some paint mixed by kent paints maidstone.'lechner fiat 121 L  bleu lancia' is on the can.will check if it actually matches the car.i sincerely hope so at 180 pounds for 5 litres.max meyer bleu lancia vulkeol auto a 80 c 1.346.7069 appears inside the glovebox.richard


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: ncundy on 05 November, 2010, 07:04:18 PM
The paint files I have are too big to post here, but I've e-mailed you with two files (check your junk folder, it might thing it's spam); the Alperton Lancia colour brochure from the '60's and the Glasurite colour codes and mixes for all the colours. That may help you come to some conclusions.
Neil


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Angle Grinder on 05 November, 2010, 07:39:09 PM
Thanks to you both!

So is KSO 818 your car Richard?

I'm afraid that there is no paint code plate on my Flavia, but there are two holes drilled in the side of the glove box drawer where a plate may once have been attached.

I've had Lechler 121 suggested to me before, but I think that this is maybe more towards the navy blue end of the spectrum. Certainly interested to hear how you get on.

The car is getting a total respray so no issues with matching old paint to new... thankfully.


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: GG on 05 November, 2010, 10:46:19 PM
See this for Lechler codes for older (pre-Flavia) cars. I suspect it is quite close....

http://web.me.com/geoffreyg/Cars/Blog/Entries/2006/5/2_Current_paint_codes.html


Also in Viva Lancia web site, there is a discussion about Flavia/Fulvia paint codes.

The Max Meyer code from Lancia for their Flavia blues are listed as:
Synthetic: 1.346.7069.

Then, in a later parts book:

Acrylic: 1.711.7497
Nitro Acrylic: 2.272.7169

There are other Blues listed, but this they call "Lancia Blu"
Good luck getting that translated to a modern code. I suspect Neil's Glasurit numbers are the best way to go.


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Richard Fridd on 06 November, 2010, 05:42:54 AM
Thanks to you both!

So is KSO 818 your car Richard?

I'm afraid that there is no paint code plate on my Flavia, but there are two holes drilled in the side of the glove box drawer where a plate may once have been attached.

I've had Lechler 121 suggested to me before, but I think that this is maybe more towards the navy blue end of the spectrum. Certainly interested to hear how you get on.

The car is getting a total respray so no issues with matching old paint to new... thankfully.         KSO is not my car unfortunately.the paint i have is for my fulvia sedan


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Richard Fridd on 06 November, 2010, 07:42:24 AM
Anglegrinder.i have now opened the tin[cellulose].the colour looks  darker than navy in this early morning light i think .if you pm me an address i will put a sample on card which i have prepared in the post to you


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Richard Fridd on 07 November, 2010, 03:33:27 PM
 the sample is in the post and possibly what you want as i have applied some of the paint to try it but it is much too dark [almost black in comparison ]to match the existing colour which is more the 'navy'colour you mentioned.so will take the fuel cap to the paint shop as a sample tomorrow


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Angle Grinder on 09 November, 2010, 08:33:21 PM
Hi Richard,

Sample received today. Lancia people are nice people  ;D

It certainly is a very dark shade of Blue and probably darker than the colour that she currently wears, but this is (I think) the colour that I should be going for and is certainly a classy colour to contrast with the newly rechromed bits.

Thanks again
Mike


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Richard Fridd on 09 November, 2010, 09:00:01 PM
God bless british mail. hold fire for a moment anglegrinder as this 'blue' is too dark by the suppliers reckoning[and is blackberry black when applepied] to be correct and he is checking the mix.will post findings in the morrow.richard


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Angle Grinder on 09 November, 2010, 09:06:57 PM
It sure does seem to be pretty close to black.

Waiting with interest.


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: HF_Dave on 09 November, 2010, 10:05:29 PM
I have the code for my Ypsilon,  I had a batch mixed recently,
 it's a very dark navy blue, it looks very dark on a dull day but more navy in sunlight. the code on the tin reads as follows, PAL 500M, Lancia 435/ A (CELL) Lancia Blue. This might be of help. David.  ;)


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Angle Grinder on 09 November, 2010, 10:09:47 PM
Hi David,

Do you know who the manufacturer of the paint is?

Thanks
Mike


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: fay66 on 10 November, 2010, 03:09:26 AM
Hi Richard,

Sample received today. Lancia people are nice people  ;D

It certainly is a very dark shade of Blue and probably darker than the colour that she currently wears, but this is (I think) the colour that I should be going for and is certainly a classy colour to contrast with the newly rechromed bits.

Thanks again
Mike

Mike, When I took the photos I sent of your Flavia taken back in the 1990's when I used to belong to the Bristol Group, it was very dark in those days, I suspect some of the problem is that the paint has faded,
Every Batch of Doncaster Grey made up for my 2c has always come up darker than her current paint which was applied in 1999.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Richard Fridd on 12 November, 2010, 04:08:40 PM
paint is remixed now and i am assured is the correct colour.it has been mixed to match the petrol cap so no further info available apart from the paint man doesnt want to see that job again![same as the fabricator/welder i know]best regards richard


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Angle Grinder on 14 November, 2010, 11:01:28 AM
So the colour sample that you sent me is considered to be too dark by the paintshop.

Was that a mistake on the part of the paint mixer or was the original Lechler Lancia Blue 121 the wrong spec to be using?


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Richard Fridd on 15 November, 2010, 04:48:20 PM
the 121 colour chip matches my car so all is well there.so the problem was the initial mix.i can send another sample if you like although it will look like a 121 chip which you can see locally at your paint shop i suppose.please let me know as its only a postal delivery away so nothing to lose.best regards richard


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Angle Grinder on 17 November, 2010, 09:55:14 AM
Thanks for your help Richard. A sample would be very helpful for showing my bodyshop what the desired result is. There's no immediate rush though.

Much appreciated. 

Mike  :)


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Angle Grinder on 19 November, 2010, 12:11:26 PM
Thanks again Richard! Paint sample received and it looks spot on. A proper Lancia Blue and no mistakes.

Just need to get my car back from the bloke who is rebuilding the wheel arch lips and then it's into the paint shop armed with your helpful paint specification.

I owe you a pint sometime. Hunt me down at the next AGM, I should (I hope  ::)) be in a recently restored Flavia Coupe reg ODF 351F.

Cheers
Mike


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Richard Fridd on 19 November, 2010, 04:49:53 PM
no problem Mike.which chap is rebuilding wheelarches as i will need something done to my sedans rear arches as will be seen in the photos which may be posted soon with the kind help of Brian.thanks in advance Brian.best regards richard


Title: Re: The Correct Lancia Blue
Post by: Angle Grinder on 19 November, 2010, 04:58:28 PM
I'm using a gentleman by the name of Martin Edgar who is located near Dumfries. He runs a classic car hire business called Motor Party and used to have a Lancia Fulvia in his fleet (the silver one that is advertised on Omicron).

He's a very smart fellow and is fully University qualified Mechanical Engineer who used to do consultancy work for the likes of Ford and BMW before tiring of the rat race and starting up his own small business.

He appreciates Lancia engineering and has a Flaminia Touring Coupe awaiting a major restoration

The only problem with Martin is the fact that he takes on other jobs and keeps pushing my Flavia back. It's been 12 months since I took the car to him so I'm dreading the legacy of problems that may arise from the long period of being static.