Lancia Motor Club

Hi all,
Looking possibly to buy a lybra estate.  Must be left hand drive and preferably with leather interior.
If anyone knows of one then please let me know.

many thanks
carlos

Bit like Henry Ford "You can have any colour as long as it's black"
so for Lybra " You can have any drive as long as it's left hand" :D

Brian
8227 8)

Hello Carlos
It's probaly not exactly on your doorstep but look at Item 310180632332 on French e-bay. 1999 and
fitted with 2.4 JTD motor and on sale at € 4450.Car located about 5 hours drive from Calais/ Tunnel.
Doesn't mention if leather interior.
Regards
Tim

Another good place to look is the German website http://www.mobile.de/home/index.html?lang=en.  There are plenty of of reasonably priced Lybras on there.  If you bring one in from Germany, it would be worth speaking to Donald (Aberdeen area organiser) as he has imported his last two cars from Germany, so knows the procedures there very well.

If you do import one, you may have a lot of work to sort the headlights as the regulations have been tightened up in recent years.  You will have to get them re-engineered so they dip to the left as no UK specification headlights were made for the Lybra.  This was never done on my Lybra SW as it was imported in 2001 before the VCA tightened everything up.  The previous owner only had to declare the work had been done, whereas now, they require proof that the work has been carried out.

Thanks for the replies, maybe I should have pointed out that I need left hand drive because I am going to use it abroad. I dont really want to import one unless its truly mint, as I will then be exporting it if and when we move from the UK.   I cant buy it abroad and register it where we are going as you are only aloud to take the car you own with you as to not pay import duty.
So ideally would want a UK car.
cheers
carlos

I would have thought that unless Stuart want's to sell his, finding another here is a pretty unlikely scenario :'(
However what about looking at in the exchange and mart at the people who sell LHD vehicles? or query someone like these http://www.transeuropean.co.uk/category.php?make=fullstock

Brian
8227 8)

Unfortunately, I love my Lybra so much, I couldn't bear to part with her.  I have had several offers for her (one person even jumping out of a van at a junction to make me an offer), but in each case I have responded with "not for sale at any price!"

The main problem in sourcing a UK based Lybra is that there are only about three of them (that I know of).  There was one near Manchester, another in or around Bristol and mine.

oh well, not good news then, didnt realise there were onl 3 !  , bit like my ypsilon then  :P

Oh well, nxt on the list is either a thema estate, land rover, or subaru.  :o

thanks anyway guys

Hello both, can you send me more details mot/tax  pics of inside outside engine etc, where abouts are you. relias@btinternet.com  Thanks Roger

Hello Carlos
I'm very intrigued when you say    "I can't buy it abroad and register it where we are going as you are only allowed to take the car you own with you,as not to pay import duty."
Are we allowed to know where you might be heading ?
Regards
Tim

Hi Tim
Thinking of Portugal,  I have been told that importing a car there now costs a small fortune, I had a quote on a Portuguese website of 20,000 euros to import the integrale.  The only way is if you move residence, then you are allowed one car per person.
If you know any different then please let me know, I find it hard to believe as well, but I have also been told that the Portuguese get fined by the EU for charging import taxes, but the fine isnt as much as the tax so they carry on :(

Hello Carlos
Sorry but I can't help with info. on importing cars into Portugal,only France. Perhaps you could contact a couple of companies in the UK who specialise in selling LHD cars e.g. LHD Centre Ltd.  Tel 01256-461173 or Trans-European Carriage Co. Tel. 020 7713 1777.They may know the answer or be able to put you in touch with someone who does. Is there a Lancia Club of Portugal ?
I would be interested to know how you get on.
Regards
Tim

Our ex secretary Dave Baker lives in Portugal and may be able to help, if allowed  ;),  if anyone has contact details of where Dave is now ???

thanks for the info, any help is much appreciated

Ah yes... Portugal.  Well I have just returned from a year in Portugal and cars are very pricey there.  My family are Portuguese and I always wanted to treat my cousin to a 2nd hand Jag XJS (his favourite car), but when we investigated the various taxes he'd have to pay as well as the yearly duty we decided it was better to just flush money down the nearest privvy!

I drove my car there for a year, on UK insurance.  Being EU, your current insurer has to cover you.  There are specialist insurers that cover ex pats out there (or any other EU country) but I was informed by a family broker out there that as I was already covered when I left UK, then they are duty bound to cover you... they just dont shout about it thats all.  So I didn't hurry to sort new insurance and plates out (just as well, because I returned a year later but the original plan was to stay longer).

The Portuguese add VAT to a new car, and then slap a 'car tax'.  Oh, and if you have a 5 litre limo with all the toys, you get stung with luxury duty on top.  Buying an average new car will cost you half as much again as it does in the UK.  Because the 2nd tax isn't called 'some more VAT', you cannot argue that VAT has already been paid on the car you bring from England.  You escape paying portuguese VAT, but they still ask for the 'CAR TAX'.  Second hand cars in Portugal hold their values... because the average Joe cannot afford to buy one new!

The way round it is as follow...  If you have owned the car for more than 3 years and it has been registered at a UK address for that time, you can get your car registered for, I think, about 700 pounds.  I will ask my uncle to reconfirm this and get back to you.  As I didnt end up staying, I didn't pursue it any further.  Older cars pay a pittance in road duty and new cars pay the equivalent to UK prices.  I am unsure whether an old car registered today would fall under the former or latter.

Easiest option... buy a house just inside the Spanish border (or use the address of a friend there) and purchase/ run your newly acquired lybra on spanish plates.  Fill up with petrol there whilst you're at it as it's a sight cheaper there too.

I do not profess to know everything about the subject, but the above is what my investigations threw up when I was gearing up to take both the Barchetta and Fulvia over for good.  I hope that it helps a bit.

Mark

Any good?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kappa-ESTATE-LHD-Spanish-registered-IN-SPAIN_W0QQitemZ150409046742QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item230513ead6

Guy

Sorry - Kappa, not a Lybra....

Hello Mark,
Many thanks for the info, very interesting about the insurance. I have phoned classic line and a few others who have told me I would only be covered for 30 days continously, so would have to return to UK on day 30 and then go back out there, (not very practical)
Also I understand that you can only take your car put there for 6 months, then it has to be registered, this info I got from the Portuguese embassy. If you could le me know where you got this info from then that would be excellent. We are thinking of going for good, but dont want to burn any bridges.
thanks again
carlos

that is exactly what I was told on both those issues before leaving.

I guess the difference is that I still maintained UK residency.  As we are all in the EU, they cannot force you to swap plates if the car is MOT'd insured and taxed in UK (I did mine the day before going).  Furthermore, I went to spain for the odd weekend, so technically I never spent 6 months in Portugal... in case anyone asked! With regard to Insurance, I was told slightly different (about 90 days) until I was actually out there and challenged it.  As I fortunately never had to claim, I cannot confirm how limited my cover would have been in practice, but for sure the insurers conceded that they did indeed need to cover me.  I am not an insurance expert, so I cannot quote chapter and verse.  But through my uncle's friend (a broker in portugal) I was told about this.  Unfortunately, my uncle is still away and I have not spoken to him yet.  I will do shortly though.

I agree in not burning any bridges... I had planned to stay for some years, but recession saw to that.  Glad I didn't swap plates after 90 days.

When are you off and whereabouts in Portugal are you going to?  If you fancy playing it safe, try someone like Ibex Insurance to insure in Portugal on UK plates and pop to Spain for a week's holiday about 6 months in :)

Right...
Just confirmed with my uncle the particulars of my visit... and I do recall correctly. However, as it is a family trait to get confused, my uncle is going to ask his friend/ broker again.  Watch this space...

Hi Lima, thanks for the continued info, I missed your post on the 1st Feb for some reason, but I am still here for any advice.
cheers
carlos

Right, my final conclusion:

Uncle phoned me back today.  He caught up with the insurance broker friend and asked again about my year out.

As I suspected, his advice was that if I already have UK insurance I am covered and they are duty bound to cover you.  However, I do not purport to be an insurance expert and I never met the broker in question.  I believe it to be a trustworthy source (as the advice did result in MY insurers conceding), but my uncle's broker friend could just have been some bum living in a box for all I know.  If in doubt, take a policy after 90 days with the specialist UK ex pats firms (for cars in Iberia with UK plates).

As for the 6 months limit for keeping a car in Portugal, his advice was to take a trip to Spain (not far from any point in Portugal) get some petrol and keep the receipt.  Better still, get someone in spain to post you a petrol receipt!  If you get stopped by the fuzz, dig it out of the glove box.  The clock on the 6 month rule is apparently restarted as soon as you leave Portuguese soil... quite literally!  Silly really, but the Portuguese love unnecessary bureaucracy.

Again... this is what I was told by someone else... it's not exactly a case of chinese whispers, but equally it's not gospel from a traffic officer, lawyer or judge.  Hope it gives a steer in the right direction (pardon the pun!).

Hi Lima,
Thanks for info, I always thought that you could drive into spain and out again but the problem being the UK plates, also it will need a UK MOT when the year is up.

What I dont understand is that we are meant to be one united Europe and all this mess should have been over and done with a long time ago. It seems its only cartain things that we are united, the rest is just tons of red tape as usual.

thanks again anyway, I will try and find an expat insurance company, and get a quote from them.

cheers
carlos

In my experience only one thing truly transgresses the european boundaries and remains constant throughout... and that's a love of 'just a little bit special' cars.  I have driven to Portugal, Poland, Italy and everything in between in my Barchetta and my Fulvia, and each time I've stopped (and indeed sometimes whist still moving) I've engaged with the locals and visitors alike.  I have even made new friends as a result.
Have a good trip, and all the best... Mark

don't know if you found a car but lybras are ten a penny in belgium and antwerp is only an hour and a half drive from calais.?

At first glance here is the local website of the free ads selected on lybras . Choice enough between €1500 en 5000 I think
... http://www.kapaza.be/Autos/Lancia/?id=3&sort=date2&country=be&q=lybra&lang0=1&lang1=0&TypeV=1&TypeA=1&langFilterActive=true&photo=0&lock-regio=0&sid=858&cca_options=&#results

Hi William,

Why so cheap?7000euros
http://www.kapaza.be/Autos/Lancia/23707143/Lancia_Delta_1_4_T_Jet_16v.html

Brian
8227 8)

must be a mistake, or otherwise its a year old with 150K km on the clock.....

Did look a bit of a bargain!